Topic: Web Media (Read 11116 times)

pocket · « **on:** October 22, 2003, 09:20:12 pm »

I like MediaCenter so much that I want to use it as my one stop shop for all the music and audio entertainment my computer can deliver. The one area that is sorely lacking in such a quality program is the "Web Media" section.

If the following things could be added to the "Web Media" section, MC could be the only audio player we would need!

1. All listed stations should *just work*. Users should be able to remove or flag for removal those that don't (maybe limit this to registered users?).
2. Adding new stations to the list should be instantaneous (registered users?)
3. Improve the search functionality. Even categorize it something like Genre/Speed/Locale/Live or Recorded/Format (.asx, .rm, etc.)
4. Improve the interface (adding a station to your station playlist should not lose your previous search)
5. Integrate functionality of other "cast" sites (LaunchCast, ShoutCast, etc.)

Feel free to add other ideas or suggestions! I hope this post can serve as a mini-board for all those that would like to see this most needed portion of MediaCenter blossom.

kiwi · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2003, 10:19:37 pm »

I like the idea of having user feedback... for making sure that stations work and for new stations. It would also be cool to have some rating system for the stations. Again, I agree, for registered users.

kiwi

xen-uno · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2003, 10:33:10 pm »

pocket,

ICYDK: The workaround is that these *.pls's and other streaming links can be stored in a playlist. I agree with your points, though.

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pocket · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2003, 11:39:34 pm »

Thanks for your support...

But there have to be a lot of other people that use Web Media frequently. I love using it as a forum of learning new musics and cultures.

Boraden your mind. Endorse web media. This portion of the already great MediaCenter will never grow without interest.

Mads_H · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2003, 01:42:16 am »

Quote from: xen-uno on October 22, 2003, 10:33:10 pm

ICYDK: The workaround is that these *.pls's and other streaming links can be stored in a playlist. I agree with your points, though.

But if that is the best solution, webmedia should not be part of mc. Because as it is now, both ui and how it works differs too much from the rest of mc to make a coherent whole media center. And as pocket mentions, it is not sufficiently updated.

Additions to Pockets list:
updated ui
right click functionality (is probably quite hard in the current setup)
it should be possible to arrange media after choosing them (moving them up or down the list)
featured stations should be removed (it's not a complete list, so it confuses more than it informs, and I want to be able to get to my stations first!)

I have tried raising the webmedia question on this board before, but without many responses. I do not know if webmedia is that used a feature in mc. But it could be...

pocket · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2003, 11:59:18 pm »

Well, I'll keep bumping it until it gets noticed....I can be quite persistent!

sraymond · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2003, 02:19:17 am »

Pocket,

I agree wholeheartedly... this is something that has been brought up before. See http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=11442;start=msg73411#msg73411 for a thread from June.

Things have gotten a bit better since then - you can now add a streamed URL to the Media Library (see the thread http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=16088;start=msg109484#msg109484.
I think this would solve most of the concerns raised in this thread.

But there's still no way to add non-streamed media. You can "almost" do it (see the threads http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=12620;start=msg82472#msg82472 and http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=12516;start=msg81462#msg81462 for details) - close, but no cigar.

I guess your point is that there should be a way to import the streaming media into your library more easily. A recent post from Matt in the thread http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=10075;start=msg60359#msg60359 gives me a bit of hope that this might be available in the next version.

Scott-

pocket · « **Reply #7 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:30:23 pm »

Thanks for your support!
--bump--

jeffl012 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 27, 2003, 09:00:30 pm »

Pocket, I would love to see the options and updated interface that you mention as well. It's a major feature that is very much lacking in comparison to other apps.

xen-uno · « **Reply #9 on:** October 27, 2003, 09:56:06 pm »

I really doubt you'll see any change before v10. I would like to see the master list stay on JRiver's servers, but decoupled from it from there on out. A useful function would be for dead links to be reported back to the server (this should be the limit of communication). When a certain amount of these come in over a certain time period, then they could be removed from the master list. It may do this now, since I couldn't find Axioms (it was in the list a few months ago, but had gone off-air).

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jeffl012 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2003, 07:19:55 am »

The "Windows Media Audio" and "Real Video" formats don't work which make up a majority of the station listings. Do we need to wait until v10 for that to be fixed?

JimH · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2003, 08:18:14 am »

I just tried a few and they worked. Can you post a couple of specific links that don't work? Also provide the details on your system by copying the system info from MC Help and pasting it here.

jeffl012 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2003, 08:58:14 am »

Hi Jim,

All the links I try in those formats don't work. Here are a few:

* Warm 98 - [Easy Listening] [128k] (WMA)
* BBC 1Xtra - [Urban] [185k] (Real Video)
* Radio Free Virgin New School - [Urban & Hip Hop] [56k] (WMA)
* Radio Free Virgin Hip Hop 101 - [Urban & Hip Hop] [96k] (WMA)
* Radio Free Virgin Hot Country - [Country] [96k] (WMA)
* 3HOT FM - [Country] [28k] (Real Audio)
* WGCR - [Country Gospel] [16k] (Real Audio)
* Radio Free Virgin Straight Up - [Jazz & Blues] [96k] (WMA)
* WRTI - [Classical/Jazz] [128k] (Real Audio)
* BlakeRadio.com Music Massage - [soul, r&b, jazz] [96k] (WMA)

I found a Real Audio that worked:
* Swiss Jazz - [Jazz] [k] (Real Audio)

Thanks.

Jeff

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JimH · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2003, 09:57:26 am »

Those stations may be off the air. The link may have changed. Try visiting their web site and playing it from there. Then save it by using a right click on the playing now item.

jeffl012 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 28, 2003, 10:33:49 am »

I tested three that I listed on their web sites. They all work. I'm confused by your "Then save it by using a right click on the playing now item. " statement - not sure how to do that.

Jeff

xen-uno · « **Reply #15 on:** October 28, 2003, 11:16:34 am »

If the "file" is not in your library, then you'll see Import Into Library when you right click on the item. You could also right click then Send To>Playlist.

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sraymond · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2003, 12:19:54 pm »

Quote from: jeffl012 on October 28, 2003, 10:33:49 am

I tested three that I listed on their web sites. They all work. I'm confused by your "Then save it by using a right click on the playing now item. " statement - not sure how to do that.

Jeff

I think he means that you can put the streaming URL into your Medial Library - you do not need to use "Web Media" module to access the URL. I find it much easier to use the Media Library (I have a group called "myWeb") - because then I can tag the media however I want. This lets me ogranize by my own tags.

This only works with streaming media (i.e. anything in the Web Media module will be OK), but I remain hopefull that it will someday soon work with *any* web media (JPGs, websites, etc.)

Scott-

pocket · « **Reply #17 on:** October 28, 2003, 10:45:17 pm »

Well, how about this....is there a way to mooch off of Windows Media Player 9. Their Radio Station list seems to use a similar HTML/XML interface to MediaCenter's. Could I just substitute their list into MediaCenter somehow.

See, adding radio stations to my playlist isn't a practical option for me. I would like to be able to search and choose from the hundreds available.

Mads_H · « **Reply #18 on:** October 29, 2003, 03:11:44 am »

good idea pocket. Saving to playlist would still be possible I guess.

pocket · « **Reply #19 on:** October 30, 2003, 10:45:14 pm »

I won't stop until someone says that the Web Media portion will definitely be updated.

sraymond · « **Reply #20 on:** October 30, 2003, 11:22:28 pm »

Quote from: pocket on October 30, 2003, 10:45:14 pm

I won't stop until someone says that the Web Media portion will definitely be updated.

That might take a bit of endurance!

Scott-

pocket · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2003, 05:04:57 pm »

Quote

That might take a bit of endurance!

I have that.

Please update WebMedia! Please! ((Or I'll nag until this board breaks!

))

pocket · « **Reply #22 on:** November 03, 2003, 08:09:04 pm »

Have any of you used Launch Cast? I love that service. It fills my home with music that you rate. If you have a subscription, listening is unlimited and other benefits are added.

Now, with such a great music service, it baffles me why such a great MediaCenter wouldn't want to support this in their web-media section.

Anyone?

LisaRCT · « **Reply #23 on:** November 03, 2003, 09:53:40 pm »

As Media Center appears to be a continuously evolving entity, I would hope and expect that at some point this will get attention and be brought up to the level that the rest of the program has attained.

pocket · « **Reply #24 on:** November 08, 2003, 11:00:54 am »

Web Media is a must

Thank you!

pocket · « **Reply #25 on:** November 13, 2003, 10:34:25 pm »

pocket · « **Reply #26 on:** November 17, 2003, 07:35:04 pm »

The One Man Campaign continues.....

UPDATE WEB MEDIA!

please.

skidoo · « **Reply #27 on:** November 17, 2003, 09:22:10 pm »

Make that a two-man campaign. I just want it to have half the functionality of Shoutcast's regular old web site: http://www.shoutcast.com . That would be a MASSIVE improvement.

samarah88 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 17, 2003, 09:45:59 pm »

I am a newbie, as you can notice-first post, so I'm sorry if this seems like a stupid question...

I am trying to connect to a few Web Media sites and I am receiving the following message after connecting, buffering, etc.

Downloading missing codec...

I have waited several times but it seems to be non-responsive.

Any help would be appreciated.

sraymond · « **Reply #29 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:01:14 pm »

Quote from: skidoo on November 17, 2003, 09:22:10 pm

Make that a two-man campaign. I just want it to have half the functionality of Shoutcast's regular old web site: http://www.shoutcast.com . That would be a MASSIVE improvement.

Oh... it's more than two-person, even. But pocket says he won't stop posting until he gets confirmation that web media will be updated. I don't have the endurance he does.

Scott-

skidoo · « **Reply #30 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:18:40 am »

Quote from: sraymond on November 17, 2003, 11:01:14 pm

Quote from: skidoo on November 17, 2003, 09:22:10 pm
Make that a two-man campaign. I just want it to have half the functionality of Shoutcast's regular old web site: http://www.shoutcast.com . That would be a MASSIVE improvement.

Oh... it's more than two-person, even. But pocket says he won't stop posting until he gets confirmation that web media will be updated. I don't have the endurance he does.

Scott-

FYI, my current workaround is to setup MC to handle PLS files. Then I use Shoutcast's web site. Adding stations to a playlist sort of works, but it's kind of wacky when the station name is replaced (in the listing) with the currently (or last) playing track (if available). This often makes finding a station in a "favorites" playlist difficult.

LisaRCT · « **Reply #31 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:39:43 am »

I find the stream entries in my library show the currently playing artist and track title in the Name field, leaqving other fields empty. I can enter tag info into these other fields and even assign CoverArt without affecting the playability.

I can easily manage internet radio playlist entries by tagging the Artist and the Album fields to show the radio station's ID and relevant info. I then add coverart from the station's web site and tag the Genre as 'Internet Radio' so I can easily filter them from my other playlists and library views.

This has worked rather well for me thusfar.

samarah88 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 18, 2003, 02:04:04 pm »

Bump

Downloading missing codec... ?

What's it mean??

skidoo · « **Reply #33 on:** November 19, 2003, 11:28:01 am »

Quote from: LisaRCT on November 18, 2003, 11:39:43 am

I find the stream entries in my library show the currently playing artist and track title in the Name field, leaqving other fields empty. I can enter tag info into these other fields and even assign CoverArt without affecting the playability.

I can easily manage internet radio playlist entries by tagging the Artist and the Album fields to show the radio station's ID and relevant info. I then add coverart from the station's web site and tag the Genre as 'Internet Radio' so I can easily filter them from my other playlists and library views.

This has worked rather well for me thusfar.

Very nice. You've given me some ideas.

And on an unrelated note: Is there some as yet unidentified correlation between being an audiophile and alcoholism? [He asked as he grabbed a Rolling Rock out of the fridge at 12:30 PM EST...]

skidoo · « **Reply #34 on:** November 19, 2003, 11:36:25 am »

Quote from: samarah88 on November 18, 2003, 02:04:04 pm

Bump

Downloading missing codec... ?

What's it mean??

No idea. Sorry. Well, I mean, I know what the message means, but I don't know why you should be getting it in particular.

The message means you're trying to play some sort of file for which you don't have the proper codec. "Codec" is short for "coder/decoder." It's a piece of software that will translate the file such that other programs (like MC) can interpret it and render it correctly. This happens most often for me with video files, as there seem to be a gagillion formats out there. Incidentally, when you have the proper codec installed, you won't really know, except that the file will just play. That is, the codec is actually loaded and run by programs such as MC.

samarah88 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 19, 2003, 12:29:39 pm »

Thanks for the reply skidoo.

Why "skidoo" ....water or snow?

pocket · « **Reply #36 on:** November 29, 2003, 12:45:39 am »

vacation bump

turkey

LisaRCT · « **Reply #37 on:** November 29, 2003, 08:17:34 am »

Yummy, I like turkey . . . especially with homemade cranberry sauce.
Hiya Pocket . . . good to see ya merrily 'bumping' again

pocket · « **Reply #38 on:** November 29, 2003, 11:45:08 am »

Cranberry Sauce Recipe bump for LisaRCT:

8 cups fresh cranberries
4 cups sugar
2/3 cup of brandy

Wash berries, pick out bad ones, and place in an oven safe dish. Add sugar. Bake at 350 for 45-60 minutes until all berries have burst. Remove from oven. While hot, add brandy. It's delish!

fex · « **Reply #39 on:** November 29, 2003, 10:59:33 pm »

Bump again.

pocket · « **Reply #40 on:** December 02, 2003, 08:50:44 pm »

A "Thank You Fex" bump

xen-uno · « **Reply #41 on:** December 02, 2003, 08:59:43 pm »

Jim...make it sticky for the lads...would ya?

sraymond · « **Reply #42 on:** December 02, 2003, 09:17:43 pm »

Quote from: xen-uno on December 02, 2003, 08:59:43 pm

Jim...make it sticky for the lads...would ya?

No fair... that's cheating:

Quote from: pocket on November 01, 2003, 05:04:57 pm

Quote
That might take a bit of endurance!

I have that.

Please update WebMedia! Please! ((Or I'll nag until this board breaks! ))

Scott-

pocket · « **Reply #43 on:** December 16, 2003, 11:37:30 pm »

Ha! I'm not dead!
Just a hiatus before the holidays.
Seems like alot of buzz regarding version 10.
I fully expect that it will have an updated WebMedia section, something similar to what I've outlined.
Thank you!

pocket · « **Reply #44 on:** January 04, 2004, 09:47:54 pm »

Happy New Year to you all

What's that? well if you must know, there is an alterior motive:
Back from Holidays Bump!

pocket · « **Reply #45 on:** January 06, 2004, 08:44:48 pm »

Raymond, Lisa,
Never before has an incessant pest felt more welcome /sniffle/
blah!

Happy New Year to you!
Did you try the cranberries?!
Oh, and thanks for the bump!

pocket · « **Reply #46 on:** January 11, 2004, 03:08:40 pm »

OK. I'm man enough to own up to the idea that this idea just isn't working....

I'm open to suggestions....

pat1066 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 11, 2004, 05:40:49 pm »

OK ignore this - I should have read the date before posting!

Samara88
The wait could be caused by the plugin/codec section of the JRiver site being down at the moment.

LisaRCT · « **Reply #48 on:** January 11, 2004, 05:49:16 pm »

Quote from: pocket on January 11, 2004, 03:08:40 pm

OK. I'm man enough to own up to the idea that this idea just isn't working....

I'm open to suggestions....

Awww Pocket, I am dissappointed! You only held out for less than 3 months . . . .

OK, Who won the pool??

pocket · « **Reply #49 on:** January 12, 2004, 06:49:39 pm »

I think you misunderstood. No where did I mention I was stopping. I'm just polling for suggestions on how to continue this campaign.

I've considered:
1) Creating a new topic (or a few) everyday
2) Spamming other members for support (though I think this is against the rules
3) Threatening self-inflicted injury (though I'm allergic to pain)

See...I could use assistance here!

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