Topic: New Cover Art System (Read 22339 times)

AoXoMoXoA · « **Reply #50 on:** April 01, 2008, 11:41:11 am »

I think the addition of some "IF > Then" statements could help.

If 'download' cover is smaller than 'my library' cover > Then show for approval

If 'download' cover is smaller than 'my library' cover AND Quality is better by xx% > Then Replace with Download cover

If 'My Library' cover is best > THEN do not show for approval

etc

Doof · « **Reply #51 on:** April 01, 2008, 11:56:48 am »

I think that's way overcomplicating something that currently works so well simply because it isn't that complicated.

AoXoMoXoA · « **Reply #52 on:** April 01, 2008, 12:11:41 pm »

Quote from: Doof on April 01, 2008, 11:56:48 am

I think that's way overcomplicating something that currently works so well simply because it isn't that complicated.

Correct, but mass-tagging you are forced to browse through a gazillion images to find ones you wish to override. I am seeking to filter out the unnecessary ones to make it easier to deal with the questionable ones.

In other words I am not satisfied with the three current choices, and would like more. I do not need customizable rules, just a few more options.

for example I should be able to only review changes and skip review of any covers which are remaining as they already are in my library.

lepa · « **Reply #53 on:** April 01, 2008, 01:16:45 pm »

New system looks very nice!

Thank you very much!
(There is nothing constructive in this post so sorry about that)

T2Mac · « **Reply #54 on:** April 01, 2008, 01:47:12 pm »

I absolutely agree, this is a fantastic enhancement and I feel almost embarrassed asking for more (only almost though

). Like others have already mentioned, I too like to have a uniform size of cover art (500 x 500), so how about an extra option of Choose this size: ### x ### where a user can enter their preferred size?

Ian

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #55 on:** April 01, 2008, 02:42:39 pm »

For people not automatically uploading cover art,
it would be nice to be able to right click on your image and select submit to internet.

lepa · « **Reply #56 on:** April 01, 2008, 02:57:26 pm »

Quote from: Mr ChriZ on April 01, 2008, 02:42:39 pm

For people not automatically uploading cover art,
it would be nice to be able to right click on your image and select submit to internet.

Isn't that already possible? I have the automation disabled and have been submitting some covers today.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #57 on:** April 01, 2008, 04:36:48 pm »

I mean from within the cover art retrieval tool

lalittle · « **Reply #58 on:** April 01, 2008, 05:37:21 pm »

Thanks for implementing the new system -- this is a really nice improvement.

I had a couple questions about how it works:

1) When looking up art for a CD, does the system use the album name, or does it utilize the CD code number? I have some albums that are "re-mixes" from box sets or "definitive edition remasters." I name the albums appropriately (i.e. I'll name an album "Duke [Box Remix]" instead of just "Duke") in order to distinguish the album from the original version. This means that the album might have a slightly different name compared to others who ripped this album. I realize that this will effect how MC finds art for the ripped songs, but when looking at the actual CD, does MC recognize this CD by the identifying code on the CD, or does it see it as a whole new CD due to the slightly different name?

2) It will sometimes take me 2 or 3 tries to get the art "right" for an album. For example, I sometimes miss the fact that the first try that I downloaded had a white edge that needs to be cropped off. I'll therefore edit the image and re-apply it, which results in more than one submission from me that might look very similar. Is there any way to deal with this situation so that the end result is that only the "final version" of my art submission is available online?

3) What if somebody is trying to decide on the best art for an album and goes back and forth between two selections. Does each re-selection count as a new vote? Also, if somebody goes back and forth between two images, then downloads a new one, does this result in the two "inferior" images getting more overall votes than the new one, which only received one vote?

Thanks again for the excellent work on this feature,

Larry

mark_h · « **Reply #59 on:** April 02, 2008, 03:15:08 am »

Awesome feature. Just dumped ~1000 of my best images into the system.

Mark

dcwebman · « **Reply #60 on:** April 02, 2008, 07:24:52 am »

Quote from: lalittle on April 01, 2008, 05:37:21 pm

2) It will sometimes take me 2 or 3 tries to get the art "right" for an album. For example, I sometimes miss the fact that the first try that I downloaded had a white edge that needs to be cropped off. I'll therefore edit the image and re-apply it, which results in more than one submission from me that might look very similar. Is there any way to deal with this situation so that the end result is that only the "final version" of my art submission is available online?

3) What if somebody is trying to decide on the best art for an album and goes back and forth between two selections. Does each re-selection count as a new vote? Also, if somebody goes back and forth between two images, then downloads a new one, does this result in the two "inferior" images getting more overall votes than the new one, which only received one vote?

2. The only way I believe they implemented is to turn off "Submit cover art changes to online database". At least that's the way I have had to do it so I can make sure I only submit my final one.

3. I believe the answer is that any submission counts as a vote.

In regards to 2, I have had problems in the past too when I got cover art and discovered it had a border around it that I needed to trim. I love the new image tooltip for the cover art, but would it be possible to eliminate the border around it so the user does not believe that will be part of that selected cover art?

Doof · « **Reply #61 on:** April 02, 2008, 07:32:48 am »

Quote from: dcwebman on April 02, 2008, 07:24:52 am

3. I believe the answer is that any submission counts as a vote.

Not sure if this is how it works or not, but one way it could work is that every installation of MC has a unique (and anonymous) number on YADB and every time an image is picked for an album, they get, essentially, one vote that just gets moved from one image to another. If I change my mind later then my vote is taken away from the image I had used previously and given to the image I just picked. So the only one that counts is the final one. I would think that would work better than just a raw number of votes, otherwise you could have somebody really abuse the system by uploading a bunch of bad images and then just keep submitting votes for it until it reaches the top. It will also help better art reach the top faster because if people decide to go look and see if any better art has arrived and change their mind, their vote for the new image won't be canceled out by their vote for the old image. Just a thought.

dcwebman · « **Reply #62 on:** April 02, 2008, 07:38:11 am »

Yes, there is a "problem" with the voting system in that someone could get a cover art voted up to the top by just submitting it constantly. I know, because I tried it when the voting first came out.

At least my image was valid though.

John Gateley · « **Reply #63 on:** April 02, 2008, 09:05:58 am »

Quote from: lalittle on April 01, 2008, 05:37:21 pm

1) When looking up art for a CD, does the system use the album name, or does it utilize the CD code number? (...)
I name the albums appropriately (i.e. I'll name an album "Duke [Box Remix]" instead of just "Duke")

There *is* no CD code number - this is a common myth. We use a variety of techniques to identify CDs.
The details are confidential, but it does what you want, and will improve over time.

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2) It will sometimes take me 2 or 3 tries to get the art "right" for an album.
3) What if somebody is trying to decide on the best art for an album and goes back and forth between two selections.

Don't worry about it (taking 2 or 3 tries, or going back and forth). The voting system will take care of it eventually...

j

urlybird · « **Reply #64 on:** April 02, 2008, 11:08:38 am »

When using "Get Coverart" with the "Best Results" option it does not select "Your Library" (ie My Library) even when I have larger better resolution images. This results in replacing my images with smaller poorer resolution images

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Doof · « **Reply #65 on:** April 02, 2008, 11:22:39 am »

Quote from: John Gateley on April 02, 2008, 09:05:58 am

There *is* no CD code number - this is a common myth. We use a variety of techniques to identify CDs.

The last time I read anything on the subject, which was years ago when CD lookups were only used to show the track information when playing the CD, they were creating a hash using the total length of the CD, the length of the first track, and the number of tracks on the CD. Not sure if this is still being used or not in most places, but that was one way it was being determined. Like Gateley says, there is no CD code number on the disc itself. There may be on some, but if you can't guarantee it's there on all of them, then it's not a useable tool to determine which CD it is.

John Gateley · « **Reply #66 on:** April 02, 2008, 11:35:41 am »

Whoever is reporting offensive URLs, PLEASE STOP IT. This tool is ONLY for reporting pornographic images, not for reporting incorrect art or random photos.

j

JimH · « **Reply #67 on:** April 02, 2008, 11:51:41 am »

Quote from: John Gateley on April 02, 2008, 11:35:41 am

Whoever is reporting offensive URLs, PLEASE STOP IT. This tool is ONLY for reporting pornographic images, not for reporting incorrect art or random photos.

j

Sorry.

John Gateley · « **Reply #68 on:** April 02, 2008, 11:56:18 am »

JimH · « **Reply #69 on:** April 02, 2008, 12:52:20 pm »

For the record, that was Matt posting with my account. Blame him.

lalittle · « **Reply #70 on:** April 02, 2008, 02:39:29 pm »

Quote from: Doof on April 02, 2008, 07:32:48 am

Not sure if this is how it works or not, but one way it could work is that every installation of MC has a unique (and anonymous) number on YADB and every time an image is picked for an album, they get, essentially, one vote that just gets moved from one image to another. If I change my mind later then my vote is taken away from the image I had used previously and given to the image I just picked. So the only one that counts is the final one. I would think that would work better than just a raw number of votes, otherwise you could have somebody really abuse the system by uploading a bunch of bad images and then just keep submitting votes for it until it reaches the top. It will also help better art reach the top faster because if people decide to go look and see if any better art has arrived and change their mind, their vote for the new image won't be canceled out by their vote for the old image. Just a thought.

I was thinking the same thing. This would allow people to "change" their vote rather than just add a new vote. I've seen albums with 500 x 500 art that actually looks worse than a 300 x 300 version of the same art. In these situations, I'll often end up going back and forth a few times before deciding on which one looks best. Later, which I either fine or create a better version of the art, I'll use it, but this will result in a situation where the "good" art has fewer votes than EITHER of the "bad" options.

I understand, however, that this may add difficult complications to the overall system.

Larry

mojave · « **Reply #71 on:** April 02, 2008, 03:16:09 pm »

The new cover art selection window is neat. I would like to see a similar window when I select Cover Art > Paste from Clipboard. This would enable me to compare cover art that I just copied from a website with my existing cover art to determine which is better. I have a lot of albums that I can find better cover art at Sloth Radio or using Google Images. However, I would like a way to compare this new cover art to my existing cover art before pasting from clipboard.

urlybird · « **Reply #72 on:** April 02, 2008, 03:47:48 pm »

After doing several "Get Cover Art" I noticed that all the files including the .mp3 files get the last modified date set to today.
I store my coverart in directory as Album - Artist. Why is the last modified date updated on the .mp3 files ? It's going to make for a huge
backup modified file backup tonight.

Thanks !

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eba · « **Reply #73 on:** April 02, 2008, 05:49:37 pm »

As everyone else has already said:
Fantastic New System!

Strange Phenomenon: Whenever I lookup Razorlight's self titled album, it crashes MC. Ok, I don't really blame it, but I have got worse stuff in my library and it seems fine with everything else (admittedly I haven't tested it with Snow Patrol yet)

One thing that would be nice, if it could try looking up the artist as well as the Album Artist (perhaps only if looking up the Album Artist returns few results).
I often set my album artist to the band an artist is associated with. For example, I like to keep Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits together, so set the Album Artist of Knopfler's solo albums to Dire Straits.

Alex B · « **Reply #74 on:** April 02, 2008, 06:10:02 pm »

Quote from: eba on April 02, 2008, 05:49:37 pm

Strange Phenomenon: Whenever I lookup Razorlight's self titled album, it crashes MC....

Did you select this file: Razorlight - Razorlight, 2963 x 2776, 913 KB ? It is rather big, but it works for me when I save it in the file folder only.

Are you embedding cover art? What is the audio file format?

John Gateley · « **Reply #75 on:** April 02, 2008, 06:43:40 pm »

Quote from: eba on April 02, 2008, 05:49:37 pm

One thing that would be nice, if it could try looking up the artist as well as the Album Artist (perhaps only if looking up the Album Artist returns few results).
I often set my album artist to the band an artist is associated with. For example, I like to keep Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits together, so set the Album Artist of Knopfler's solo albums to Dire Straits.

I'm confused - what do you mean?

j

eba · « **Reply #76 on:** April 02, 2008, 06:52:21 pm »

Quote from: Alex B on April 02, 2008, 06:10:02 pm

Are you embedding cover art? What is the audio file format?

Yes, mp3

Further testing has revealed that it is that image that's causing the problem, however it's when I've got that image myself that causes it to crash. I've now submitted another one, 507x515, and it's fine with that one.

i.e.
If I have the big one embedded, it's fine until I select Get from Internet, when it crashes (usually when it's still stating Lookup in Progress).
If I have another one, it's fine, I can select Get from Internet, and even select the big one and it happily downloads it and embeds it without problem.

eba · « **Reply #77 on:** April 02, 2008, 07:27:00 pm »

Quote from: John Gateley on April 02, 2008, 06:43:40 pm

I'm confused - what do you mean?

j

I like Mark Knopfler to be sorted next to Dire Straits, but I like to see the Artist as Mark Knopfler:

So I set the Album Artist to Dire Straits, and the Artist to Mark Knopfler.

But if I try to get cover art for Sailing to Philadelphia, it just looks for the Album Artist, and looking for Dire Straits - Sailing to Philadelphia, it of course finds nothing. So it would be nice if it said, 'Ah, nothing for Dire Straits, but the Artist is Mark Knopfler, so I'll try searching for Mark Knopfler - Sailing to Philadelphia', upon which it would find cover art.

Ok, really not a big thing, it was just something that struck me as I went through my library.

mark_h · « **Reply #78 on:** April 07, 2008, 05:04:56 am »

It would be helpful if the name "Get From Inernet" was now changed to something more useful...

I currently right click on the playing track and "Get From Internet" is in my context tree, but it doesn't mean anything - get *what* from Internet??

Could the option be renamed something more useful like

Get cover art from server
Get art from JRiver
Choose Cover Art

etc

?

Cheers,

Mark

Alex B · « **Reply #79 on:** April 07, 2008, 10:07:49 am »

Quote from: John Gateley on April 02, 2008, 06:43:40 pm

I'm confused - what do you mean?

The best solution to differing tags would be a separate manual tool as I suggested earlier.

A new menu item could start it. It would look for one image file at a time and make possible to type a user defined search string. Here are the drawnings that I posted in the beta board a couple of weeks ago:

Doof · « **Reply #80 on:** April 07, 2008, 01:04:45 pm »

Quote from: mark_h on April 07, 2008, 05:04:56 am

It would be helpful if the name "Get From Inernet" was now changed to something more useful...

I currently right click on the playing track and "Get From Internet" is in my context tree, but it doesn't mean anything - get *what* from Internet??

Well, the option really isn't at the top level except for when it's in your recently used section of the context menu. Ordinarily it's Cover Art->Get From Internet, which makes much more sense. But I do agree with you that when it's in the top level of the menu, it can be a little obscure. "Get Cover Art From Internet..." would work better.

Doof · « **Reply #81 on:** April 07, 2008, 02:59:33 pm »

So yesterday I was playing some music and noticed that I had this little 200x200 image for one of my albums. I did a Get From Internet and there were no other options to pick from. So I hopped on Google and found a nice big image, and changed my files to use that image. As a test, I then removed cover art from those files and did a Get From Internet again. This time it still didn't show me any options.

So now I'm curious... does MC actually upload cover art just from me changing it? I have the options set to allow this, but it didn't see to do anything in this case. Does the upload happen immediately? And how long after the upload does it take for the image to show up?

After that, I pasted the image in manually again, right clicked and told MC to upload the image to YADB. I got a message saying: "Uploaded cover art for 1 album. (took 0:00) | Added: 1 album | Skipped file upload (only vote counted): 1 album" From that I assumed that my earlier edit had actually uploaded the image to YADB and that's why only my vote was counted.

But just now, I tried a Get From Internet from my work PC for the same album, and it still doesn't show me any cover art available on YADB. I did another Submit To Internet from here (as it turns out the image I have here is even better than the one I found on Google last night), and I got the same message that I quoted above. However, after removing cover art and doing another Get From Internet, this time MC returned me the same image I just tried to upload 2 minutes ago.

The album was Metallica - S&M in case this is actually a bug rather than me not "getting it". I guess right now I'm just curious why the image I submitted last night never showed up, and the image I just submitted told me it wasn't uploaded, but not it does show up.

tcman41 · « **Reply #82 on:** April 07, 2008, 03:15:48 pm »

This may not be related to what this thread is talking about it but as far as cover art goes i got two questions;

1. all my cover art is 300x300, is there some easy way that i could get to be 500x500?

2. for all my cover art i just have the front cover, is there a way to obtain back covers as well?

thanks
TC

dcwebman · « **Reply #83 on:** April 08, 2008, 07:21:21 am »

Quote from: tcman41 on April 07, 2008, 03:15:48 pm

This may not be related to what this thread is talking about it but as far as cover art goes i got two questions;

1. all my cover art is 300x300, is there some easy way that i could get to be 500x500?

Just run the new cover art tool with your existing albums, look for images that are 500x500, and save the results. You don't need to remove your existing cover art first as it will overwrite your existing ones.

p7389 · « **Reply #84 on:** April 08, 2008, 03:53:08 pm »

I applaud this improved feature. Just ran through my library and updated some art to higher quality... I can't believe the time I wasted doing this manually before (although I used the old find cover art to some extent too).

john h · « **Reply #85 on:** April 08, 2008, 08:46:25 pm »

After playing around with the system, I'd recommend a button to click when the database shows no hits to upload the album art from my library. Currently, if the query finds nothing, I have to close, then right click and select "Upload album art." You may get more uploads if you offer a button in the results window. someone may already have recommended this.

AoXoMoXoA · « **Reply #86 on:** April 09, 2008, 08:18:44 am »

Scrolling through the covers MC gets from the internet n order to approve them sometimes causes the Cover Art Finder to freeze up. (could be mouse-wheel related?)

A filter to show only those covers which MC has found alternates would make the selection/approval of MC's over choices much easier.
There is really no need to see all the covers for which MC is using my existing Cover Art, filtering these after MC has finished it's search & evaluation would make selection much easier.

A 'Wrong Cover" button is needed as MC has shown me several covers that were totally incorrect (some were only the photo of the CD and not the cover at all)

Unable to select which art for MC to select (MC seems stuck at the default "Choose Best Result") as it begins searching immediately and then will not allow a change.

Alex B · « **Reply #87 on:** April 10, 2008, 05:04:14 am »

Quote from: JimH on April 09, 2008, 08:43:11 pm

12.0.473 (4/9/2008)

2. Changed: The "Get Cover Art" dialog works in batches of albums when doing large lookups

This fixed the memory usage problem, but it does not allow to do a completely unattempted initial cover art lookup.

I'd like to suggest the following. Display first a dialog window like this (before starting the internet connection):

[radio button] Automatic lookup

Media Center will try to find cover art for all selected files automatically. No user interaction is needed.
This mode is good for initial lookups when several hundred or more cover art images are looked up.

[radio button] Interactive lookup

Media Center will show thumbnail images and let you choose if more than one cover art image is available. This mode will allow to preserve and automatically submit existing cover art if it is found better than the available on-line images. This is a batch mode. Cover art is handled in batches of 20 images. After each saved batch Media Center will automatically query for the next batch if more than 20 albums are selected for the lookup.

[radio button] Custom lookup for single cover art images

This is a manual mode. You can type any Artist and Album names and the tool will use these in the search instead of the library tags. A found and saved cover art file will still be saved using your library information, not the custom search string. If one of the displayed images is selected your library information for this image is added to the on-line database. This option is for trying different tags without the need to actually retag your audio files.

Artist: [ type the artist name here ]
Album: [ type the album name here ]

[continue] [cancel]

The automatic option would work like the old system. It would download the cover art images one by one without displaying any additional windows. It would use the "best image" mode.

The interactive lookup would be what we have now.

The custom lookup would display the results of the first query in a window like this:

If a query didn't find anything useful, the user would always be able to try different tags until one image is selected or the lookup is cancelled.

AoXoMoXoA · « **Reply #88 on:** April 10, 2008, 07:40:43 am »

MC is not saving cover art in the folders if the "Your Library" cover is selected, but will only write the cover art to the folder when getting a new/different cover from the web.

This means that I cannot use this tool to update my cover art location from the central folder where it has been to the Artist/Album folders as I had hoped.

Might this be changed?
Is there some other way to get the covers moved?

Doof · « **Reply #89 on:** April 10, 2008, 07:59:34 am »

Quote from: AoXoMoXoA on April 10, 2008, 07:40:43 am

MC is not saving cover art in the folders if the "Your Library" cover is selected, but will only write the cover art to the folder when getting a new/different cover from the web.

This means that I cannot use this tool to update my cover art location from the central folder where it has been to the Artist/Album folders as I had hoped.

Might this be changed?
Is there some other way to get the covers moved?

While I think that would make an excellent addition to this tool, there may be a workaround to your problem. Couldn't you just import all of your cover art files and then do a rename files from properties to get them all where you want them? Then just select everything, remove cover art, then Quick Find in File/Cover Art Directory? Obviously you may have to tweak this procedure based on how your cover art images are named or whatever properties you may have given them, but it I don't see why it shouldn't work.

AoXoMoXoA · « **Reply #90 on:** April 10, 2008, 08:07:29 am »

Quote from: Doof on April 10, 2008, 07:59:34 am

Couldn't you just import all of your cover art files and then do a rename files from properties to get them all where you want them?

Actually, no.
There are other [tag] fields in my file/folder naming structure which are pertinent to the music files but not used on covers. This would cause the covers to show up in the wrong locations, and there are too many to manually add the appropriate tags for this to work. That's why I had hoped for this tool to move them for me.

Doof · « **Reply #91 on:** April 10, 2008, 08:15:25 am »

Ah, that sucks. Well, hopefully they'll add your request to the cover art downloader. I don't really see any reason not to, and I think a confirmation letting users know that the art is going to be moved and asking permission to do so would cover any case where it was unintended.

johnp · « **Reply #92 on:** April 10, 2008, 04:46:28 pm »

Quote from: JimH on March 28, 2008, 06:41:50 pm

Not at this time. It's meant for terribly wrong stuff.

Speaking of terribly wrong stuff... I was at a clients house the other day and he was downloading cover art and right while I was sitting there an image came up for unknown artist, unknown album that was way pornographic with emphasis on graphic. Needless to say I was extremely embarrassed. Thankfully he was a good sport about it. Having an easy way to report this kind of stuff is a very good thing.

johnp · « **Reply #93 on:** April 10, 2008, 05:17:15 pm »

Just for kicks I deleted cover art for 3 albums, 2 of 3 came back with no results.

1. Kirk Whalum, For You - Failed
2. Thelma Houston and Pressure Cooker - I've Got the Music In Me - Failed
3. Shania Twain, Come On Over - Suceeded

If this what I should expect?

JimH · « **Reply #94 on:** April 10, 2008, 05:24:20 pm »

Did you submit them first?

It should be automatic if you're allowing it under MC's options/General, but we've found a case or two when it isn't.

johnp · « **Reply #95 on:** April 10, 2008, 05:45:58 pm »

Yes, submit cover art changes... is checked. Always has been AFAIK. I even did a manual submission and they still don't come up, but perhaps they have to be processed before they can go into the DB??

John Gateley · « **Reply #96 on:** April 10, 2008, 05:49:35 pm »

Quote from: johnp on April 10, 2008, 05:17:15 pm

1. Kirk Whalum, For You - Failed
2. Thelma Houston and Pressure Cooker - I've Got the Music In Me - Failed
3. Shania Twain, Come On Over - Suceeded

Kirk Whalum, For You, is there.... could you try again?
For Thelma Houston and Pressure Cooker, try the spelling "Thelma Houston & Pressure Cooker". It should have a result then.

There's not enough info under the spellings of Thelma Houston and Pressure Cooker for YADB to decide they are the same yet...

j

Alex B · « **Reply #97 on:** April 10, 2008, 05:53:19 pm »

Quote from: johnp on April 10, 2008, 05:17:15 pm

Just for kicks I deleted cover art for 3 albums, 2 of 3 came back with no results.

You don't need to remove cover art for trying the tool.

The correct procedure would be to select the"Your Library" thumbnail and press "Save Cover Art" if nothing or anything better was found. Then MC would submit your existing image file (or files if more than one "Your Library" image is selected).

Alex B · « **Reply #98 on:** April 10, 2008, 06:00:00 pm »

Quote from: John Gateley on April 10, 2008, 05:49:35 pm

... try the spelling "Thelma Houston & Pressure Cooker". It should have a result then.

There's not enough info under the spellings of Thelma Houston and Pressure Cooker for YADB to decide they are the same yet...

The options I suggested would make trying alternative names easy and the database would also get the alternative spelling automatically if the user decides to download an image.

If the user changes the library tags before the lookup the alternative spelling will not be added.

Doof · « **Reply #99 on:** April 12, 2008, 05:31:20 pm »

Doing a search for "Rob Lane & Joseph Vitarelli - John Adams" comes back with a ton of results, only one of which is correct (the image I just uploaded). This album hasn't even been released yet, so I didn't really expect to find anything. I only checked it to see if the image I used had uploaded.

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