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benn600

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Big Topic: Discarding Media
« on: September 18, 2009, 08:52:42 am »
I have been thinking on this topic for many many months now.  Over the years, I have built up a collection of over 1,300 CDs and at least half that in DVDs.  I have an entire 400-disc book of television DVDs with just a few pages empty.  For this discussion, I would like to focus exclusively on audio CDs.

So I have all my media ripped, tagged, and basically in the form I personally need it.  Sure it would be outstanding if I had scanned in all the pages of the extra materials, but I didn't and would have a difficult time doing so, though not impossible.

My main inquiry is legality.  I think we are basically past the idea of ripping CDs.  Everyone does it, tons of programs are capable of it, and it seems to be generally accepted.  But, in this day and age of big hard drives and reducing physical impact (scanning receipts, analog photos and documents, PDFs, digital software rather than hardware) I am trying to figure out what the ultimate fate of all my CDs is.  They take a tremendous amount of space, as one might imagine.  Currently they are scattered through about 8 large disc storage units.  I have seen those 1,000 disc cabinets and thought that two of them would be sufficient for the foreseeable future.  But then again I am investing more money and time in this physical content that provides little benefit.  The main benefit overall would be to be able to nicely display all the discs and they could look nice if stored well.  They should be alphabetized.

So what are my options?  I was thinking them through:
1. Store content
2. Give away content
3. Dispose of content (trash, recycling)
4. Sell content

My best guess is the order they are listed being most ethical to least.  BUT, disposing of anything usable seems to, at the very least, question the environment.  Even more so, a large number of my CDs are extremely old and some are rare/out of print.

I look forward to any feedback people have!  I am far from making a move but would really like to learn more about this heated topic.
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Re: Big Topic: Discarding Media
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2009, 09:00:33 am »
Yeah, I've been struggling with the same question. I have 3 big boxes of cds sitting in a closet.

I disagree with your order of ethics though. If you retain the content of the cd then I would think that option 2 (giving them to someone else) isn't purely legal. Then both of you would have the music that only one paid for. Same argument goes for option 4.
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Re: Big Topic: Discarding Media
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 09:01:31 am »
My guess from a legal point of view is that you should delete the electronic library if you choose option 2 or 4.

1. Store content
2. Give away content
3. Dispose of content (trash, recycling)
4. Sell content
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Re: Big Topic: Discarding Media
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 09:18:27 am »
i no longer support physical media. it can't die fast enough for me. the costs, both to the consumer and the environment are enormous. all of that packing material, then they get delivered on trucks, sit on shelves of stores, and so on and so forth. seems like a dead, broken system. and quite wasteful. i don't know exactly, but i'm guessing each CD that is sold has several dollars of overhead that could be eliminated by just going to an all digital format.

if you have some all-time favorites that you'd like to keep, then save the discs, frame them for your music theater, or do whatever you want. but for the vast majority of them, just scrap them. physical media is dead.
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Re: Big Topic: Discarding Media
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 09:21:55 am »
Quote from: steveklein on September 18, 2009, 09:18:27 am
i no longer support physical media. it can't die fast enough for me. the costs, both to the consumer and the environment are enormous. all of that packing material, then they get delivered on trucks, sit on shelves of stores, and so on and so forth. seems like a dead, broken system. and quite wasteful. i don't know exactly, but i'm guessing each CD that is sold has several dollars of overhead that could be eliminated by just going to an all digital format.
Only if they start selling lossless formats! The music on CDs is already pretty poor quality (no dynamic range). If they use a lossy compression then it gets even worse. I think digital sales in its current state is a big step backwards. They target kids who only listen to music on a mp3 player with cheap headphones.
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Re: Big Topic: Discarding Media
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 09:41:07 am »
CDs have a lot more dynamic range than cassettes!

So the only legitimate solution is for me to literally throw the media in the garbage.

1,350 * 0.035 pounds = 47 pounds of landfill waste.  CDs can't be recycle, can they?

I'm going through a similar problem with Adobe CS3.  I purchased this as a student (still am) and have now learned that there is no education upgrade price.  So I have to buy a new CS4 license if I want.  I emailed my dealer and said, purely as a hypothetical: if I absolutely have to have CS4, no questions asked, then I buy it.  Okay, so do I throw CS3 in the garbage?  Can I sell it?  He said it is unethical to sell due to educational pricing.

1. I don't question that line of thought.
2. What does the legal license allow, legally of course?
3. It is an old version!  I got thinking about it and decided that if it is an old version, it would be much less ethically charged, in my opinion.  It has a potential to allow someone to buy an old version and remove a sale from CS4...but that person probably wouldn't have bought CS4 anyway because they are looking for a good deal.

The moment a new version is released, all the old ones basically become trash.

IP is so complicated.
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Re: Big Topic: Discarding Media
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2009, 10:55:19 am »
Quote from: steveklein on September 18, 2009, 09:18:27 am
i no longer support physical media. it can't die fast enough for me. the costs, both to the consumer and the environment are enormous. all of that packing material, then they get delivered on trucks, sit on shelves of stores, and so on and so forth. seems like a dead, broken system. and quite wasteful. i don't know exactly, but i'm guessing each CD that is sold has several dollars of overhead that could be eliminated by just going to an all digital format.

if you have some all-time favorites that you'd like to keep, then save the discs, frame them for your music theater, or do whatever you want. but for the vast majority of them, just scrap them. physical media is dead.

You willingly relinquish your right to resell or right of first sale ?

What about those that are not so willing.

Thats only because i can't forsee how it would be possible to resell a digital download.
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Re: Big Topic: Discarding Media
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 11:02:56 am »
Quote from: hit_ny on September 18, 2009, 10:55:19 am
You willingly relinquish your right to resell or right of first sale ?

What about those that are not so willing.

Thats only because i can't forsee how it would be possible to resell a digital download.
You can resell the media if you delete any copies of it. You can't rip the cd, keep the contents, then sell it to someone else. Not legally anyways.

Of course it is possible to resell a digital download. Not all downloads have drm. (Amazon) I don't know of a market for them but I would think it is legal.

Mind you, I'm not a lawyer. But, I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once. (you non-Americans won't get that so don't try)
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Re: Big Topic: Discarding Media
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 11:18:45 am »
Quote from: edbro on September 18, 2009, 11:02:56 am
Of course it is possible to resell a digital download. Not all downloads have drm. (Amazon) I don't know of a market for them but I would think it is legal.

Its not the question of legality that concerns me her but resale value. Maybe i should have rephrased what i meant earlier.

How do you prove the file is authentic in the first place ? If you can't then you have no sale.

This problem does not exist with atoms :)
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