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[JimH]

JRiver now has a new Playlist Server system.  It's called Doctor Who.  It will eventually be linked to Play Doctor and will create better playlists, using both your local tracks and some from the Internet.

• You can upload your playlists and smartlists to it, then download them from another machine.
• You can browse other users playlists and download them.
• With downloaded playlists, MC will look for matching tracks in your library first, then online (presently using our Performer Store of 40,000,000 tracks).  Samples or full length, depending on your Performer account status.  Amazon is also searched and previews are available.

To upload playlists:

• You'll need the latest build from the MC21 board.
• You will need to turn on the Doctor Who feature in Tools > Options > General > Features.
• Then check for updates one more time.  You should see Doctor Who at the bottom of your playlists.  Drag any playlist to it to upload.
• Click on the cloud icon next to any lists on the right to download.
• Any downloads will be found at the top of playlists, under "Downloaded Playlists".

Before you can upload a playlist, you must sign up for an account using your forum name if possible, and then use the e-mail you receive to activate the account

More About This Feature

[Castius]

When uploading playlist. please consider that different users make playlist.
Thanks

[JimH]

When uploading playlist. please consider that different users make playlist.

We would like to add a way for people to rate the playlists.

[HTPC4ME]

few months ago, the youtube tv plugin in Theater View stopped working, so i asked if feedly could be implemented, InsaneRC informed me of YouTubeTV APP, but one of the prerequisites was you needed to have google chrome as jrivers default browser.
more info here - http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=94768.0

[JimH]

We will probably be able to make the Chrome engine work, too.

[Edit -- should work now in build 123 or above.]

[HTPC4ME]

gr8t news thanks!

[flac.rules]

We would like to add a way for people to rate the playlists.

Please add this for "regular" playlists also, being able to rate local playlists is very useful.

[skarsol]

With downloaded playlists, MC will look for matching tracks in your library first

What's the matching logic?

[JohnT]

What's the matching logic?

It checks for exact matches first, then drops down an increasingly "fuzzy" ladder using mainly canonicalized song and artist names and song duration.  We use thresholds for how close the "fuzzy" matches need to be.  I'm sure we'll be tweaking this as we gain a larger collection of playlist metadata and get a better understanding of the type of "messiness" we need to deal with.  Feel free to post examples of where we *should* have found a match but didn't.

[beats_works]

Me thinks "Dr Who" might be copyrighted?

[weirdo12]

At this time, you must use IE as your browser engine in MC.  It's set under the Tree and View menu.

Move this line to the top of the post - it would have saved me a lot of signing in. signing in again, signing in again...

[rec head]

The mention of Youtube makes me think that using music from Youtube in these playlists would be cool.

[glynor]

Me thinks "Dr Who" might be copyrighted?

You can't copyright a title.

It could be trademarked, but those don't work the same way.

[JimH]

The mention of Youtube makes me think that using music from Youtube in these playlists would be cool.

Good idea.

[beats_works]

Move this line to the top of the post - it would have save me a lot of signing in. signing in again, signing in again...

Are you using Beta version 118+ ?  Confused as even using Latest channel 115 is as high as I can go and don't see 118 posted anywhere?

[JimH]

Expect a build with this feature later today or tomorrow.  Instructions are in the first post.  The build required is 123 or higher.

The web interface is still changing.

The search for tracks not found in your library uses both MediaNet and Amazon at this time.

Smartlists can also be uploaded and downloaded.

[JimH]

I just used the Performer Store to make a playlist called "1967" and uploaded it. It's ten tracks that are a snapshot of the music I heard on the radio in Oakland, California when I was just out of college.

There was a DJ named Edward Bear on a station called KSAN, and he just made it all work.  I didn't smoke much, but the secondary smoke was plenty.  The music was incredible.

[Goatshade]

Do you see your own playlists in the list after you upload them? I just dragged a playlist to Doctor Who after registering and logging in, but I'm not seeing it, and I'm not sure if I should try again or not, for fear that it will just lead to a duplicate being posted.

On that note, will there be an option to delete your own playlists from Doctor Who?

[JimH]

You should see the playlists you drag to Doctor Who.  Are you using 20.0.124?

[JohnT]

Do you see your own playlists in the list after you upload them? I just dragged a playlist to Doctor Who after registering and logging in, but I'm not seeing it, and I'm not sure if I should try again or not, for fear that it will just lead to a duplicate being posted.

On that note, will there be an option to delete your own playlists from Doctor Who?

There's a delete button for your own playlists.

[Goatshade]

You should see the playlists you drag to Doctor Who.  Are you using 20.0.124?

Indeed I am.

Maybe it just didn't take. I'll try again later tonight.

[Goatshade]

...Nope. Not working in 20.0.124. Dragging a playlist to the little Doctor Who icon flashes a small popup that disappears too fast to read. Playlist does not appear in the list. Dragging it directly into the webpage (in MC) results in a "There is nothing to play" warning. Playlist still does not appear in the list.

[JimH]

Something preventing outbound access?  Firewall?  Pop-up blocker?

The playlist has to have at least 5 tracks and not more than 300.

[Goatshade]

Disable firewall temporarily. No dice.

[JimH]

What is the little message trying to say?  Any idea?

Try setting MC to use the other browser engine.  You might get a better error message.

Did you try a reboot?

[Goatshade]

Ah! There we go. It appears that it still doesn't quite work properly using the Chromium engine. Internet Explorer engine works fine, though.

How do I add notes to a playlist?

[JimH]

In MC, click on the playlist.  At the top of the playlist on the right, you will see "Click here to add notes."

[Castius]

I can also report that chromium engine did not work here either.
I simply got a download error, until i switched to IE.

[jmone]

How about some way of Liking Playlists, or even just a download # that is sortable.  At some point you will have more than you can browse so sorting my popularity may make sense.

[JimH]

We'll do that eventually.

There will also be a way to filter the list.

[jaxtherogue]

This is pretty cool. I don't know if i need ratings (music tastes differ so much ratings might be moot) but perhaps a way to mark favorite users and or sort users by number of downloads. Or a way to categorize playlists.  

Also I see the sample tracks from downloaded playlists show up in my library views- which I'd really rather not have. If I buy a track then sure, but I don't want samples to show up in my various views. Any thoughts on how to do that?

[blgentry]

Before you can upload a playlist, you must sign up for an account using your forum name if possible, and then use the e-mail you receive to activate the account

Is this possible from the Mac version?  I don't see any indication of somewhere to try to sign in or register.

At this time, you must use IE as your browser engine in MC. It's set under the Tree and View menu.

There hasn't been an IE on Mac for a very long time and I'm sure JRiver isn't dependent on it on Mac.  I don't see any kind of browser option in the Tree & View menu.  I'm thinking Dr. Who just isn't supported at all on Mac?

Brian.

[JimH]

It's probably not yet working on the Mac.

[bluedoor]

It's probably not yet working on the Mac.

When will this feature be available for Mac users?

[rrob]

Can it include tracks or albums from Tidal?

[JimH]

Can it include tracks or albums from Tidal?

No.

[JimH]

When will this feature be available for Mac users?

I can't say for certain.  We're looking at it now.

[arixey]

Hmm, I'm trying this out and it looks pretty neat, but I'm getting some weird behavior with track matching.

• I downloaded a playlist while my ipod was attached for syncing.  Several of the tracks matched to locations on the ipod rather than my library.  For instance, the filename is "F:/iPod-Control/Music/F00/NNCW.mp3"
• Some tracks are matching to the low bitrate or mp3 versions in the J River Conversion Cache directory, rather than the top file in the stack
• Very strangely, there were also matches to .cda files from songs in my library, and that were ripped months ago.  So the filename is listed as something like "Unknown Album\Track14.cda"

[jctcom]

Maybe the servers are overloaded due to the number of people that might be creating accounts for Doctor Who.  But for some reason an hour later I have still not received my confirmation e-mail after signing up.  I have also tried resending it and still no dice?

Carl

[JimH]

Spam filter?

[jctcom]

Nothing in "Junk" or "Trash" in my online webmail.  On the computer the process I use to check e-mail initially is before any spam filters.

So I don't think they have been intercepted on my end.

Carl.

[BradATIMA]

I tried creating an account this morning and received a confirmation e-mail within a couple of minutes, so I don't think that the servers are overloaded.

[JohnT]

Nothing in "Junk" or "Trash" in my online webmail.  On the computer the process I use to check e-mail initially is before any spam filters.

So I don't think they have been intercepted on my end.

Carl.

Our database shows that an email was sent out yesterday to an email address that begins with "c********r" ?  (disguised with asterisks)  Does that sound right?

[jctcom]

Yes. That sounds right?

Would you receive any kind of bounce back message if it was returned for some reason?

Also can you tell me the address it would have been sent from so I can check what is happening with my e-mail hosting company?

Thanks

Carl.

[JohnT]

mediacenter at jriver dot com

Our mail log shows that an email was sent successfully twice, about a minute or two apart.  You probably clicked the resend button?

[jctcom]

Yes I did.

Ok I will have to put in a request to my hosting company to see where they went.

Thanks.

Carl.

[jctcom]

So it seems that I had some sort of spam filter turned on at the hosting level.  Must have been some sort of default.  In any case managed to get it to sign in and added / uploaded 1 playlist and 1 smartlist.

I now of course have another question though.

I see a lot of users on there with comments under their user names.  I can't seem to find any place to add or edit comments for my own account?

Carl.

[tcman41]

Tried Doctor Who this morning and it works perfect, very cool, but got some questions:

1. I notice by other people's playlists they have a custom icon , I just have the default one with the music note, how can I change it?

2. I notice under other people's playlists it lists some of the songs or artists in the playlist (taking about the lists on the left), mine doesn't have any, how come, does someone have to download it and play it first before the song titles are shown?

3. Is there a Doctor Who website where I can make the changes I am talking about above?

4. When people download my list or just lists in general is it going to say somewhere how many times it has been downloaded and can ratings be applied to people's playlists?

5. I noticed that the songs on the playlist that I dont have on my computer will only play for 30 seconds as a sample from the performer store, understand that part, is there some kind of a performer account I could get that would play the full songs and still wouldn't have to pay for them or is it basically 30 second samples or buy and nothing else?

Programming Note : please look for my alternative playlist I uploaded, it has 30 alternative tracks in it, all my playlists are overall comps I have made from my long sought after collection.

Hope to see more people using this service, it is kind of a cross between pandora and microsofts groove music app that allows sharing of playlists though I haven't tested that out fully yet.

Thanks
TC  

[JimH]

Tried Doctor Who this morning and it works perfect, very cool, but got some questions:

1. I notice by other people's playlists they have a custom icon , I just have the default one with the music note, how can I change it?

It grabs the avatar from your forum account.

2. I notice under other people's playlists it lists some of the songs or artists in the playlist (taking about the lists on the left), mine doesn't have any, how come, does someone have to download it and play it first before the song titles are shown?

No.  They should show up.  You may have to expand the playlist.  Can you post a screenshot?

3. Is there a Doctor Who website where I can make the changes I am talking about above?

No.  The only access is what you see.  That may change in the future.  We're not sure where this leads yet.

4. When people download my list or just lists in general is it going to say somewhere how many times it has been downloaded and can ratings be applied to people's playlists?

It should show downloads now, and some kind of "like" system in the future.

5. I noticed that the songs on the playlist that I dont have on my computer will only play for 30 seconds as a sample from the performer store, understand that part, is there some kind of a performer account I could get that would play the full songs and still wouldn't have to pay for them or is it basically 30 second samples or buy and nothing else?

To get the full track, you would need to have a Performer account.  We hope to improve this.

Programming Note : please look for my alternative playlist I uploaded, it has 30 alternative tracks in it, all my playlists are overall comps I have made from my long sought after collection.

Hope to see more people using this service, it is kind of a cross between pandora and microsofts groove music app that allows sharing of playlists though I haven't tested that out fully yet.

Thanks
TC 

Thank you.

[tcman41]

Thanks for the info Jim, I changed my icon under profile settings, thought I had done that before, guess not.

Not seeing download numbers anywhere and don't see songs under my list on the left, I think someone has to play it before they appear not sure, probably both the song titles and download counts maybe.

screenie below:



Thanks
TC