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blgentry:
Thanks for all the information. I've just done a few test rips with MakeMKV and it works fairly well. I still have to do manual lookups for TV shows, but I don't think there's much of a way around that. By "lookups", I mean figuring out which Titles correspond to which episodes and then typing the episode number into the file name. It's actually quite a bit easier to do this after the fact, rather than how I was doing it, by previewing the DVD with VLC.
I know I said that space wasn't really a consideration, but I'm going to mention it anyway. The MKV files seem to be roughly 3x the size of the corresponding rip made with HandBrake on "fast" or "medium". I'm surprised at the difference in size. I need to do some quality comparisons and see how much difference there is, and where you need to set Handbrake to get comparable quality. I know MPEG4 is FAR more efficient than MPEG2, so I guess this is to be expected.
Now a few inline comments below:
--- Quote from: mwillems on September 17, 2015, 09:45:23 am ---Makemkv allows you to specify using rules which tracks you want to include; so, for example, if you want only the main multitrack English audio and only the various English subtitles, you can set it up so those (and nothing else) are already pre-selected each time.
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For subtitles and audio tracks this seems mostly automatic. I don't see a way to create any more specific preferences than selecting a language preference and whether or not the audio is saved as FLAC or AAC. But there seem to be profiles. 5 minutes of research says that you need to edit a configuration file manually if you want to change this. Am I on the right track? It doesn't seem worth doing so far.
--- Quote ---Once you get things setup you can ingest things pretty quickly, which I always found to be a pain with handbrake (even after setting things up).
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It seems to be right at the same speed as Handbrake. Roughly 3 to 4 x speed compared to real time. So around 35 minutes for a 2 hour movie. However, the processor is barely used with MakeMKV. With Handbrake, since it's recompressing everything to MP4, it pegs my CPUs the entire time. With my Macbook Pro, this means fans running full speed for the entire time. Which shouldn't be a big deal, but I'm a tad concerned about heat with this machine, as it had a motherboard failure some time ago. <shrug>
Anyway, thanks again. This is setting me off in a new direction. My only "problems" right now are the file size and deinterlacing. Since MC21 doesn't do deinterlacing *yet*, anything that's TV based that I rip with MakeMKV won't look good in MC. It's amazing how bad interlaced video looks actually! Motion is just a mess until it's properly deinterlaced. Handbrake does a good job, but then it's "burned in" to the video file.
I'm going to be patient and see what happens with deinterlacing and MC21. ...and I'm going to re-evaluate my storage allocation for movies. Can I handle 3x the space? Or is there a post processing option that will take me back down to close to 1x space and loose no perceptible video resolution? Hmmmm...
Brian.
mwillems:
--- Quote from: blgentry on September 17, 2015, 04:33:05 pm ---I know I said that space wasn't really a consideration, but I'm going to mention it anyway. The MKV files seem to be roughly 3x the size of the corresponding rip made with HandBrake on "fast" or "medium". I'm surprised at the difference in size. I need to do some quality comparisons and see how much difference there is, and where you need to set Handbrake to get comparable quality. I know MPEG4 is FAR more efficient than MPEG2, so I guess this is to be expected.
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The issue is that any reencoding is lossy, even if it produces files of the exact same size because commercial video encoding is already lossy (so you get generational loss). MakeMKV literally just copies what's there, so you'll have 20-30GB blu rays and 4-7GB DVDs. That's just how much space they take up on the disk. My experience was that "comparable quality" depends entirely on your resolution and screen size. What looks great on a laptop screen can look terrible on a 55" TV. You can find handbrake settings that actually produce larger files than the original with (necessarily) worse quality.
That, in short, is why I gave up on handbrake because I wound up needing to redo everything when I got a bigger screen.
--- Quote ---Now a few inline comments below:
For subtitles and audio tracks this seems mostly automatic. I don't see a way to create any more specific preferences than selecting a language preference and whether or not the audio is saved as FLAC or AAC. But there seem to be profiles. 5 minutes of research says that you need to edit a configuration file manually if you want to change this. Am I on the right track? It doesn't seem worth doing so far.
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My recollection was that there were a few more options once you ticked the "advanced option" box. But you might need to dig into the profiles if you want anything very fancy.
--- Quote ---It seems to be right at the same speed as Handbrake. Roughly 3 to 4 x speed compared to real time. So around 35 minutes for a 2 hour movie. However, the processor is barely used with MakeMKV. With Handbrake, since it's recompressing everything to MP4, it pegs my CPUs the entire time. With my Macbook Pro, this means fans running full speed for the entire time. Which shouldn't be a big deal, but I'm a tad concerned about heat with this machine, as it had a motherboard failure some time ago. <shrug>
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Using handbrake to get comparable quality at a decent space allocation will often be longer than the running time of the original video (depending on your settings and CPU). My "good" handbrake settings often took about 1.5x running time with all cores on an i7 pegged the whole time. Makemkv transfers as fast as your drive can read so it's about as fast as possible.
--- Quote ---Anyway, thanks again. This is setting me off in a new direction. My only "problems" right now are the file size and deinterlacing. Since MC21 doesn't do deinterlacing *yet*, anything that's TV based that I rip with MakeMKV won't look good in MC. It's amazing how bad interlaced video looks actually! Motion is just a mess until it's properly deinterlaced. Handbrake does a good job, but then it's "burned in" to the video file.
I'm going to be patient and see what happens with deinterlacing and MC21. ...and I'm going to re-evaluate my storage allocation for movies.
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Hendrik suggested that basic deinterlacing was coming this cycle so you may be better off waiting a bit
--- Quote ---Can I handle 3x the space? Or is there a post processing option that will take me back down to close to 1x space and loose no perceptible video resolution? Hmmmm...
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Again it depends on your screen size and tolerance for video loss. After I was faced with the prospect of having to redo everything once I decided to pay for a few more drives and future-proof myself.
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