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Tags: Lost tags when moved media
blgentry:
--- Quote from: dreandre on November 18, 2015, 02:24:43 am ---Just for the sake of this thread, I have updated my movies tags by hand (rather than using a backup). Then I select the files and run "Update tags from Library" and I get the error screen in capture3. This means that I can't generate new sidecar files correct?
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I would check the directories where those movies are located and see if any of them have sidecars. Just for completeness, see how you have this option set: Tools > Options > General > Importing & Tagging > store tags in external sidecar files...
I just tested by deleting some of my sidecar files, then running Update Tags (from library). The sidecars were recreated. Now, I'm running MC21.0.19 on a MAC (not windows), but I think things are almost identical when it comes to this feature (sidecar files).
It seems to me that you have a disk permissions problem. Or an ownership problem on those directories. Check the permissions and ownership on that disk or top level directory. You might do the "take ownership" process and apply it to all files and directories below the top level. I don't run any windows machines any more, so I'll defer to someone else who might have more specific information on how to do this in windows.
Brian.
blgentry:
--- Quote from: RoderickGI on November 17, 2015, 09:14:36 pm ---I should look into why tags don't seem to be stored in most Video files, because I thought they should be for many formats. But for now I rely on the external sidecar XML files to store tags for Video.
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As far as I know, based on reading other threads, the ONLY video format that MC writes tags to is WMV. It's weird that it does just that one format, but that's how it works. Another poster noticed that as he changed tags, his backup program would backup his WMVs again. Because they had changed internally (the tags). The other video formats can't be written to by MC (by design), so MC uses sidecar files instead. At least that's how I understand it.
Brian.
glynor:
--- Quote from: dreandre on November 18, 2015, 02:24:43 am ---Then I select the files and run "Update tags from Library" and I get the error screen in capture3. This means that I can't generate new sidecar files correct?
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If the source media files themselves are read-only (due to lack of permissions in one way or another, or because they are in-use elsewhere) then you cannot write new sidecar XML files.
This is probably not strictly required (since it is writing to the XML file, and not to tags within the file), but I'd guess it uses the same logic as regular tag writing under the covers. In any case, if you get that error, the most likely causes are:
* The directory you are trying to write to is read-only for some reason (filesystem or network share permissions)
* The source media file(s) for which you are trying to write tags is read-only (read-only attribute, filesystem, or network share permissions)
* The source media file(s) for which you are trying to write tags is in-use (either by MC, by another application on the computer, or by another network user)
ferday:
--- Quote from: RoderickGI on November 17, 2015, 09:14:36 pm ---
I should look into why tags don't seem to be stored in most Video files, because I thought they should be for many formats. But for now I rely on the external sidecar XML files to store tags for Video.
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It's because of a lack of tag standards like id3, and to further that there is no agreement on how to store the tags (RIFF chunk, imbedded, etc). If MC tagged videos it would break their use in other players (potentially)
IIRC the devs said .wmv get tagged because Microsoft has a standard for the format that all players must support
dreandre:
SUMMARY OF SOLUTIONS:
--- Quote ---"Store tags in external sidecar files if the file type does not support tagging: Video" flag. Are you sure that setting is set?
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So the sidecar issue WAS USER ERROR! Thanks Roderick for posting a screenshot. I had not realized to click and get the sub menu that says "Video" to make sure it was checked. Once checked, I was able to generate all of the sidecar files (and I promise I will not delete any of them again!!).
--- Quote ---If the source media files themselves are read-only (due to lack of permissions in one way or another, or because they are in-use elsewhere) then you cannot write new sidecar XML files.
This is probably not strictly required (since it is writing to the XML file, and not to tags within the file), but I'd guess it uses the same logic as regular tag writing under the covers. In any case, if you get that error, the most likely causes are:
* The directory you are trying to write to is read-only for some reason (filesystem or network share permissions)
* The source media file(s) for which you are trying to write tags is read-only (read-only attribute, filesystem, or network share permissions)
* The source media file(s) for which you are trying to write tags is in-use (either by MC, by another application on the computer, or by another network user)
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This sums up much of what I had seen in other posts! Great response!
--- Quote ---It's because of a lack of tag standards like id3, and to further that there is no agreement on how to store the tags (RIFF chunk, imbedded, etc). If MC tagged videos it would break their use in other players (potentially)
IIRC the devs said .wmv get tagged because Microsoft has a standard for the format that all players must support
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This is why MC use sidecars.... DON'T DELETE THEM!! >:(
--- Quote ---Always use the "Rename, Move, and Copy Files" function in future. Read the Wiki carefully. Do not leave the "Move all files in folder" flag set unless you really understand what it means, and need to do that.
Uncheck "directory". Check "Find and Replace". Then put your old drive prefix in Find. Put your new drive letter (and maybe base directory) in Replace. Look at the preview to make sure it's right. Try it on ONE FILE first. See if it works. If it does, you can do a larger batch. Then, eventually, all of the files.
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This is the way to do what I was trying to do properly. Moving forward, I will be mastering the "Rename, Move, and Copy Files" function. If I have any more questions I will start a new post with RM&C as the topic!!
THANK YOU TEAM!!! ;) :) :D ;D
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