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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2016, 08:50:31 am »

There is still DVDFab Passkey, and you can even use MakeMKV for on-the-fly decryption, at least with LAV (although its a rarely known or used feature).

Once again the industry shows that they have no clue what the users actually want. Most of us that use such software just use it to use a player of their choice, not to distribute illicit copies of such movies.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2016, 08:53:00 am »

Once again the industry shows that they have no clue what the users actually want. Most of us that use such software just use it to use a player of their choice, not to distribute illicit copies of such movies.

Yeah, I just use it because that's the only way my favorite player (JRiver Media Center!) can play.

I happily pay for my movies like a good little boy.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 09:00:49 am »

Does that mean Virtual Clone Drive and ReClock are dead too?
Who would be buying it for piracy?
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 09:03:30 am »

Yeah.. https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/slysoft-closed.68304/

Grab them from the mirrors before it's too late.

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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2016, 09:03:54 am »

Does that mean Virtual Clone Drive and ReClock are dead too?

Pretty much, yeah.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2016, 09:07:48 am »

Yea, I think we all know my feelings on this one.  SIGH.  I also use it for real time decryption so I can use my player of choice (obviously MC).  I will laugh if this ends up hurting sales of disc based media.  But this definitely sucks.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2016, 09:28:58 am »

It just occurred to me that, if AnyDVD were the only product to do this, that would be it for Blu-rays for me.
I wouldn't run out any buy a copy of PowerDVD/WinDVD, I'd just stop buying Blu-ray discs - because I don't want to deal with menus, be tied down to having physical access to the disc, or deal with the other restrictions placed on PC playback software.
 
So I don't see how this benefits anyone, except lawyers. Slysoft loses, the customers lose, and the people selling Blu-rays lose out too.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2016, 09:29:10 am »

Yeah.. https://forum.slysoft.com/threads/slysoft-closed.68304/

Grab them from the mirrors before it's too late.

Crap. Do you have a link for a mirror?  I own a copy of AnyDVD HD, but don't actually have the installer right now. I want to make sure I get a copy before they're gone.

Nevermind. I got it.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2016, 09:30:16 am »

Crap. Do you have a link for a mirror?  I own a copy of AnyDVD HD, but don't actually have the installer right now. I want to make sure I get a copy before they're gone.

It depends on a key database on the internet, if they shut that down as well any fresh installs are no longer going to work anyway.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 09:31:10 am »

It just occurred to me that, if AnyDVD were the only product to do this, that would be it for Blu-rays for me.
I wouldn't run out any buy a copy of PowerDVD/WinDVD, I'd just stop buying Blu-ray discs - because I don't want to deal with menus, be tied down to having physical access to the disc, or deal with the other restrictions placed on PC playback software.
 
So I don't see how this benefits anyone, except lawyers. Slysoft loses, the customers lose, and the people selling Blu-rays lose out too.

That was exactly the point I was making when I said I'd laugh if it ends up hurting disc sales.  Honestly, this could be the final nail in the coffin of disc based formats.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2016, 09:33:16 am »

It depends on a key database on the internet, if they shut that down as well any fresh installs are no longer going to work anyway.

Yeah.  :(
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2016, 09:34:29 am »

At one point James said that, if they were ever shut down, he would release the entire database in its current state.
But it's one thing to say that when you are not under legal threat, and something else when it actually happens...
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2016, 10:02:49 am »

There is still DVDFab Passkey, and you can even use MakeMKV for on-the-fly decryption,

I wonder if MakeMKV will be next on the hit list.

"They" have been working on shutting down DVDFab for a while: http://www.myce.com/news/this-is-why-dvdfab-com-is-down-the-actual-injunction-70763/
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2016, 10:33:57 am »

That's why I'm hesitant to spend $150 on DVDFab Passkey right now.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2016, 10:45:12 am »

That's why I'm hesitant to spend $150 on DVDFab Passkey right now.
Same here.  It's the obvious (only?) option to go with now that Slysoft is gone, but I'd rather not lose $150.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2016, 10:56:28 am »

How badly will this hurt JRiver business? My hopes for viewing UHD blurays in MC are gone.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2016, 11:05:54 am »

It's really insane how this all works.  I've spent just tons and tons of money on optical discs over the years.  I only want to be able to use my media with digital systems.  So I spend crazy amounts of time ripping these discs and then use them in my players.

There aren't good ways of getting high quality digital copies of any of this stuff:  Music, Videos... you can get digital access, but you're locked in to specific players and ecosystems, ala AppleTV, Amazon, etc.

Once again, DRM and the legal process around it, does nothing but hurt consumers.  How is this good?  It's easy to see why people that do NOT pay for their media do so.  It's actually more effort to rip your own legal copies of discs than it is to go around the system and download copies that you don't own.  So now they try to make it even harder for those of us that are trying REALLY hard to be honorable and legal.  <sigh>

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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2016, 11:10:37 am »

Incredible. Remember SOPA?! And IMHO incredibly short-sighted, for the short term buck. Relying on DRM is like the "majors" are re-playing Louis XV ... "Après moi, le déluge"

By the way, the HD downloads on amazon are the same as blu-rays right? Can anybody confirm? I'm really a video noob. I'm certainly never buying a blu ray again
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2016, 11:12:21 am »

I guess we'll have to add Torrent support now.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2016, 11:25:16 am »

I guess we'll have to add Torrent support now.
sad, but the torrents will definitely get a boost, the DRM holders will suck the last oil out while they can, and the legit consumers will get nailed once again.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2016, 11:36:01 am »

As a warning for anyone else: I just realized that ALL of my discs were ripped to ISO with the copy protection intact.
Apparently the online database is currently up, but may not be for much longer. So you might want to check that.
I believe it caches this information locally once you've inserted a disc/mounted an ISO, but there are some discs/images which I have definitely not loaded since the last time that I reinstalled my OS.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2016, 11:38:19 am »

By the way, the HD downloads on amazon are the same as blu-rays right? Can anybody confirm? I'm really a video noob. I'm certainly never buying a blu ray again

No, they are generally lower quality and not full HD audio.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2016, 12:01:37 pm »

As a warning for anyone else: I just realized that ALL of my discs were ripped to ISO with the copy protection intact.
Apparently the online database is currently up, but may not be for much longer. So you might want to check that.
I believe it caches this information locally once you've inserted a disc/mounted an ISO, but there are some discs/images which I have definitely not loaded since the last time that I reinstalled my OS.

So our existing copies of AnyDVDHD will no longer function? I actually prefer to watch my blu-rays from the optical disc; is that no longer an option when the database goes down?
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2016, 12:02:51 pm »

So our existing copies of AnyDVDHD will no longer function? I actually prefer to watch my blu-rays from the optical disc; is that no longer an option when the database goes down?
Well I don't know if people were mistaken or it was too late, but the online protection database is down now and I have three Blu-ray discs here that I've bought and paid for which I'm no longer able to watch.
 
I guess I got lucky because the rest of my movies were cached(?) and are working without OPD access - but I'll be re-ripping them with the copy protection removed ASAP.
 
I'm not entirely sure how AnyDVD works, because two of those three were fairly recent purchases so they were definitely ripped on this machine and I thought that meant they would be cached without needing online access.
 
I have a stack of discs here that haven't been ripped yet, and no idea if they will work or not. Don't have the time to test them right now. Funnily enough, it was really quick and easy to test my ISO files, unlike the discs themselves.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2016, 12:20:23 pm »

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Anydvd hd is perfectly capable of decrypting protected iso's without access to the "online protection database". It will just take a little longer than when it does have access. Note though that if you have a new disc in the drive that is not in the local installed database anydvd WILL NEED internet access in order to check the online database for data or send/receive the required info for decryption. If it can't do that, that disc will not decrypt.

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With respect to AnyDVD and CloneDVD there is no need to contact Slysoft's servers in order to decrypt and process standard DVDs.

The only issue you might have is in the case of having a brand new Blu-Ray release where AnyDVD HD would need to connect to the Slysoft server to grab keys for removing AACS. If your PC can never connect to the internet then you'll need to wait until the next released update of AnyDVD HD which would include the newer keys and make contacting the server unnecessary.
 

Make sure you are using the latest version 7.6.9.0.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2016, 12:26:10 pm »

So our existing copies of AnyDVDHD will no longer function? I actually prefer to watch my blu-rays from the optical disc; is that no longer an option when the database goes down?

I'm not entirely sure how ANYDVD HD works either - I know that "new" BDs will have a problem since you won't be able to get the new decryption code from Slysoft.

But what about an older movie that's been around for a couple of years?  Meaning, if I buy a BD of an old movie where Slysoft has already provided the decryption code, is that code in my copy of AnyDVD HD, or does the program only download the code from SlySoft database when it is needed?
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« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2016, 12:37:16 pm »

A sad day, I wonder if I will buy optical media again.
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« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2016, 12:41:55 pm »

A sad day, I wonder if I will buy optical media again.
Why not? DVDFab Passkey works exactly the same way as anyDVD HD.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #29 on: February 24, 2016, 12:43:43 pm »

Why not? DVDFab Passkey works exactly the same way as anyDVD HD.
It also costs $150 and could disappear overnight.



Disc is from Feb 2014. The other two were released in May 2015.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2016, 12:58:10 pm »

FWIW, the DVDFab Passkey DVD & Bluray Bundle (lifetime) can currently be purchased for $84.48.  Use the "FAB-FOF-OFF" coupon code at checkout to get that price.  The bundle can be added to your cart here: http://www.dvdfab.cn/order.htm?pid=cinaviaremoval-hd.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2016, 01:14:41 pm »

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“... circumvention also harms the legitimate consumer electronics and information technology companies that build compliant content playback devices that ‘play by the rules’.”

I wonder if JRiver could find out what it takes for them to 'play by the rules' ??

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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2016, 01:21:49 pm »

I wonder if JRiver could find out what it takes for them to 'play by the rules' ??
I believe the answer is a TON of money and a major PITA to lock down the software.  Unless DVDFab is able to stay afloat, I'm not sure if there's a good option for JRiver here for supporting Bluray moving forward.

I had 3 lifetime AnyDVD HD licenses since I used it on 3 PC's (1 for ripping, 2 for playback).  At least I had those licenses for quite a while, so I got my money out of them; this development REALLY sucks for people who bought licenses recently.  I now have 1 DVDFab Passkey license and will just use it on my ripping PC for now.  Hopefully they'll be able to stay around for a while.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2016, 02:02:08 pm »

I always like to cover my bases so I've had a dvdfab license for a while although I never used it.  MakeMKV is also something I purchased many years ago since I like to back up to MKV anyway, but, I always used it with AnyDVD.  Eventually they will both be forced to shut down, as well.  dvdfab has already had issues.  MakeMKV has been small enough to mostly fly under the radar more or less.  And that's it.  We lose the ability to play back blu-rays in MC, I lose the desire to continue buying disc formats.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2016, 02:16:24 pm »

I had 3 lifetime AnyDVD HD licenses since I used it on 3 PC's (1 for ripping, 2 for playback).  At least I had those licenses for quite a while, so I got my money out of them; this development REALLY sucks for people who bought licenses recently. 

I bought a license on Saturday. I watched one blu-ray.
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2016, 02:28:17 pm »

I wonder if JRiver could find out what it takes for them to 'play by the rules' ??


I would contribute to a kickstarter. PowerDVD does it and stays in business.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2016, 02:55:09 pm »

We've been over this before.
 
To "play by the rules" means implementing all the restrictions that those of us using JRiver for Blu-ray playback are trying to avoid.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2016, 05:02:45 pm »

I believe the answer is a TON of money and a major PITA to lock down the software.

You can buy a cheap legal Chinese bluray player for 50 bucks, so I don't see it as impossible for JRiver to do something similar..

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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2016, 05:21:10 pm »

Wow things really change overnight.

I've never used slysoft but I use Makemkv all day long.
Btw I never knew about on the fly decripting with Makemkv and lav. That's interesting
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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2016, 05:32:58 pm »

You can buy a cheap legal Chinese bluray player for 50 bucks, so I don't see it as impossible for JRiver to do something similar..

Unfortunately, it isn't so simple. Licensing AACS and HDCP is very complex (and you really need a lawyer experienced in the field to even figure out what is required). But, at the root, the differences between JRiver building a software player, and some electronics manufacturer building a hardware BluRay player amount to:

1. Licensing required for AACS and HDCP is divided up into many, many different categories. So, the "device manufacturer" isn't responsible for all of the different licenses directly (including their required annual fees and per-unit costs). Essentially, they use components on the board which are, themselves, licensed by their individual manufacturer, and they don't have to directly license each individual component.

2. The structure of the licensing, and especially the required testing for certification, is designed (purposefully) to limit the number of possible vendors, and prevent "small players" from entering the market. This is primarily accomplished by annual fees and putting caps on the costs. As an example, if you have to pay, for one particular license, $25K per year plus $2 per device. But they limit the total cost to $5M total. If you sell 5K "devices" per year, it costs an order of magnitude more to cover these costs than if you sell 50 million units per year. This, of course, combines with point 1. That chip on the motherboard of that $50 BluRay player wasn't used in just that particular model, but was used on almost all of the players on the market.

3. Pricing for required certification testing is wildly different for software players versus hardware players, and they're able to change their minds on things as they go. Keep in mind, most (if not all) of the AACS key "leaks" have come from software players, because they're impossible to secure (good luck keeping me from looking for the key in memory on my paused VM). Testing and certification on hardware players is relatively straightforward, if not still unbelievably expensive. You buy a certified test "device" which tests your hardware and spits out a result. Software testing is basically at the whim of the various licensing authorities.

It is a shell game designed with the explicit goal of preventing lots of various companies from competing, and especially for keeping small players out of the market. Because it was designed by the established industry, of course, and because it is easier to keep a few players "in line" than a mass of them all fighting with one another.

I'm not saying it is impossible, and I don't claim to be an expert on all of the costs involved. But the barriers to entry exist and are very high. Comparing to a commodity hardware player isn't a fair comparison.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #40 on: February 24, 2016, 05:52:13 pm »

Not great news but the world moves on and once the knowledge is out there it is hard to put back into a box so there will always be a way.  


edit - more info

Thinking about how to use the MakeMKV "on the fly decryption", the info I found says how to do it for:
- OSX
- Linux
- Kodi


I'm away with work so can not test, but:
1) does this also just "work" with MC / Windows?
2) does this impact any other function of MC or the PC?
3) any downsides / upsides?

Thanks
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2016, 06:09:29 pm »

Oh dear. I use DVDfab, but with this success, they are bound to try to shut them down again.

If that happens maybe it will be time to go back to reading books, from the local library. For free.  :(

I bought a license on Saturday. I watched one blu-ray.

Doh! I did recommend DVDfab to you if I remember correctly. If you paid by credit card, you may be able to have the transaction reversed by your bank. Non-delivery of the product. Of course being an international transaction, and given that the company may now be as closed down as the web site, the bank may not be willing to try a reversal (Chargeback).
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2016, 01:03:59 am »

I managed to find 7690 too, I was on 758x something.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2016, 01:45:05 am »

Thinking about how to use the MakeMKV "on the fly decryption", the info I found says how to do it for:
- OSX
- Linux
- Kodi


I'm away with work so can not test, but:
1) does this also just "work" with MC / Windows?
2) does this impact any other function of MC or the PC?
3) any downsides / upsides?

Similar instructions apply. Easiest would be to just symlink libmmbd.dll into either MCs program folder, or the system folder (ie. SysWOW64, for example mklink C:\Windows\SysWOW64\libmmbd.dll  "C:\Program Files (x86)\MakeMKV\libmmbd.dll") - just required so the DLL is found.
By now libbluray tries to open libmmbd directly, so renaming or linking it to libaacs/libbdplus is no longer required.

Copying the DLL would theoretically also work, but a symlink has the advantage that any update of MakeMKV doesn't require to copy it again.

Note that it doesn't work for 3D (yet), but 2D Blu-ray seem to run just fine.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2016, 02:30:16 am »

Thanks - the simlink method works for playback but I don't think libmmbd.dll is used for MC's "Rip Disk" function (looks like a straight file copy).  I'm testing a rip now but it would appear that the M2TS files copied to the HDD are encrypted (still half way through a rip).
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2016, 02:35:30 am »

Thanks - the simlink method works for playback but I don't think libmmbd.dll is used for MC's "Rip Disk" function (looks like a straight file copy).  I'm testing a rip now but it would appear that the M2TS files copied to the HDD are encrypted (still half way through a rip).

Yes that wont work, only for playback. Use MakeMKV itself for ripping (it can also rip m2ts if for some reason one would want that)
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2016, 02:47:52 am »

Yeah.... it is not only still encrypted but you can not playback from the HDD either (this second part surprised me).  Seems this method only works for playback from ODD.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2016, 05:16:59 am »

I never used Slysoft products.

However, this news has put me on a non stop rip spree... So that's the upside if there is one.

If something exists that interests you, get it while you can.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2016, 05:44:57 am »

What a mess! Does JRiver WMD work with PowerDVD? I have a hi-end ASIO peripheral for music and movie. I can't do anything without it and JRiver because I built active DIY loudspeaker..

More probable that I change my hobbies than that I buy commercial-ultrapriced-novalue hdmi devices.
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Re: Slysoft/AnyDVD goes out of business
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2016, 06:44:18 am »

Thanks - the simlink method works for playback but I don't think libmmbd.dll is used for MC's "Rip Disk" function (looks like a straight file copy).
For BD, MC just copies the files from the disk.  You would still need AnyDVD or DVDFab.
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