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Hendrik

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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #50 on: June 24, 2016, 10:43:36 am »

Listening to Nine Inch Nails' "Ringfinger" and there's definitely something going on. At 1:55 left in the song, the distorted guitars start wailing and they recede TREMENDOUSLY after each of the boardclaps, telling me that some compression is hitting the file REALLY HARD, it's really distracting! Did some A/B listening (using my trusty ATH-ESW9's), streaming the same song to my Android phone has the sound in its more natural state. It does seem to be evened out on the phone, I'm sure. But why would I experience such immense attenuation like that if I'm not processing?

If MC says its not doing any changes, then its not lying to you. If there is truely something happening, its something else in your system, but not MC, sorry.
The audio path is generally quite accurate on any DSP effects going on.
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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #51 on: June 24, 2016, 10:59:56 am »

I see you're using Direct Sound.  Is windows applying any effects, channel reassignment, etc?

Again, do other players play with same files correctly with the same hardware?

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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #52 on: June 24, 2016, 12:46:10 pm »

Listening to Nine Inch Nails' "Ringfinger" and there's definitely something going on. At 1:55 left in the song, the distorted guitars start wailing and they recede TREMENDOUSLY after each of the boardclaps, telling me that some compression is hitting the file REALLY HARD, it's really distracting! Did some A/B listening (using my trusty ATH-ESW9's), streaming the same song to my Android phone has the sound in its more natural state. It does seem to be evened out on the phone, I'm sure. But why would I experience such immense attenuation like that if I'm not processing?
Whatever it is, it's not audio analysis or JRiver that is applying the compression.
Processing enabled for your audio device is a good thing to look at.
I would suggest changing your playback device to WASAPI instead of DirectSound too.
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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #53 on: June 24, 2016, 12:58:22 pm »

Listening to Nine Inch Nails' "Ringfinger" and there's definitely something going on. At 1:55 left in the song, the distorted guitars start wailing and they recede TREMENDOUSLY after each of the boardclaps, telling me that some compression is hitting the file REALLY HARD, it's really distracting! Did some A/B listening (using my trusty ATH-ESW9's), streaming the same song to my Android phone has the sound in its more natural state. It does seem to be evened out on the phone, I'm sure. But why would I experience such immense attenuation like that if I'm not processing?

Are you listening to the original 1989 release or the 2010 remaster of the song off Pretty Hate Machine? I have both and the original 1989 release sounds fine. The 2010 remaster, on the other hand, sounds pretty harsh to me at points (which is to be expected, as it's a remastered release)
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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #54 on: June 24, 2016, 02:20:30 pm »

It's the original pressing, 1989.

You know, I wondered about the other sound options. I have discounted that because I've only noticed the changes in the last few weeks, since I had a C:\ drive overhaul. My sound card is a crappy old Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio card, unchanged.

If I were to use one of the WASAPI settings, which would I choose?
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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #55 on: June 24, 2016, 03:14:07 pm »

I keep staring... now getting volume level changes... here's my DSP Studio screenshot. I'm flummoxed!
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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #56 on: June 24, 2016, 03:39:28 pm »

None of the checkboxes on the left side next to each feature are checked. So no DSP effects are being applied, including volume leveling.
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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #57 on: June 24, 2016, 03:42:44 pm »

For the 3rd time:  Do other software players on that system play those files correctly?

Brian.
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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #58 on: June 24, 2016, 04:02:35 pm »

Brian, MC is all I use, besides Chrome, for listening/viewing. Just changed to Sound Blaster WASAPI and testing.
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Re: Has the Analyze Audio feature changed the algorithm
« Reply #59 on: June 24, 2016, 04:14:07 pm »

Ringfinger test: PASS. Holy cow, like a veil's been lifted...

Need to check more file volume consistency.
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