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[jinxeddeep]

Hi, I just signed up for JRiver's trial version and have been using it for a week. My setup is as such

FLAC/MP3 on Macbook Pro's SSD --->JRiver MC 22.0.30 ---> Airplay/DLNA ---> NAD D7050 ---> Speakers

I have been running into quite a few problems with MC and while initially I put it down to me not being familiar with it (this is my first venture into audiophile media players), after a thorough search through the forum, the wiki (a lot of the troubleshooting items seem to be corresponding to much older versions of MC) and the internet in general, I am out of ideas or solutions and would like to get some help from the members/staff here. I am a novice to this whole process so please bare with me.

Below are some of the issues I have run into

1. Clicking sounds in place of music when playing through DLNA on the D7050 - I currently set my sound preferences on my mac to output to the D7050 (connected via ethernet directly to the router) using Airplay. When I try to switch to DLNA (after disabling airplay and choosing internal speakers instead of the D7050) and choose the D7050 as the zone to play from in MC, i only get weird clicking sounds through the speakers. Also, my control options (play, pause etc) don't seem to work when this is happening and I have to either close MC completely or shut down the amp. I am not sure why this happens.

2. Can't connect to the Media Server remotely using both JRemote and Webgizmo - I get a timed out error when trying to remotely connect to the server. I had my server and mac on and tried to connect to it using both webgizmo and JRemote (which i purchased hoping that it would resolve the problem) on my iPhone 6s running ios 10. Both of them, however, returned the timed out error. After going through the wikis and forum I disabled the firewall on my Asus RT-AC56U since this was listed as one of the solutions and tried to repeat the process but still ran into the same issue. It didn't change anything. I also tried to open up the port that MC uses but that didn't help either, although, in all honesty I am not 100% certain as to whether I did it right. This was one of the primary reasons behind me choosing JRemote and JRiver so I am very disappointed that I can't seem to get it to work. I intend to move my files to an always-on HTPC soon and stream my rather, difficult-to-find collection of music to my phone OTG.

3. Unable to install plugins - I started off with 22.0.22 and soon realized that I was unable to install plugins. When clicking the option to install plugins either from the main options window or the DSP Studio window, nothing happened. No pop-ups and no errors whatsoever. I read that this was a bug with 22.0.22 and so downloaded 22.0.30 which said that it was fixed and sure enough, now, when I click on install plugins a finder window opens up but the .mjp file is grayed out for me. Tried two different plugins but both were grayed out. Am I doing something wrong here?. Feels like it.

Apart from those issues I'd also like to know/clarify a few things about MC and its functioning on a Mac.

1. When you say MC doesn't support Airplay, you're merely referring to the ability to stream directly from MC to airplay devices right?. Doing what I'm doing (Setting sound preferences in Mac to play through my airplay enabled devices should be just fine right?

2. I intend to setup multi-room audio with a raspberry pi 3 or odroid C2. Is there a guide on how I can sync audio to multiple devices from JRiver running on a MAC?. Will these devices show up under Player--->Zone which I can then use to "Link" in MC to stream in sync?. Is that how it works?

I would really appreciate any help I can receive on this

[Awesome Donkey]

Plugins are fixed (more or less) in 22.0.30 which can be found on top of those forum section in the pinned release topic.

[blgentry]

Plugins are fixed (more or less) in 22.0.30 which can be found on top of those forum section in the pinned release topic.

In my testing, they are not working correctly.  Have you tested?  If so, which plugin(s) have you gotten to install and deinstall?

Brian.

[blgentry]

You've got a lot of questions below.  I'm going to try to answer what I can, but we might want to break some of these out into their own threads if they require further discussion.

I'm happy to try to help you.  But when you have a lot of different questions in one thread, sometimes they get lost, or the people helping get over whelmed with so much to analyze at one time that they don't give effective help.  I'm speaking for myself here.    On to the questions...

1. Clicking sounds in place of music when playing through DLNA on the D7050 - I currently set my sound preferences on my mac to output to the D7050 (connected via ethernet directly to the router) using Airplay. When I try to switch to DLNA (after disabling airplay and choosing internal speakers instead of the D7050) and choose the D7050 as the zone to play from in MC, i only get weird clicking sounds through the speakers. Also, my control options (play, pause etc) don't seem to work when this is happening and I have to either close MC completely or shut down the amp.

I remember another person here with the same device having problems with it and DLNA.  In the thread he opened, I asked if he would try connecting to the D7050 via USB or coaxial or optical digital.  He refused and never followed up with any additional information.  If you want to see the thread with a lot of problem reports from him, it's here:

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=105251.0

I'm not sure if the D7050 can be made to work correctly with MC or not.  It might work great.  But it might be worth a try to connect to it directly with USB or coax as a test.

2. Can't connect to the Media Server remotely using both JRemote and Webgizmo - I get a timed out error when trying to remotely connect to the server. [...] I intend to move my files to an always-on HTPC soon and stream my rather, difficult-to-find collection of music to my phone OTG.

So you mean using JRemote from outside your home network then right?  I know people do this all the time, but I haven't done it myself.  I prefer to have real local copies of my media on my devices.  Anyway, I think you're on to something opening the MC Media Network port (52199); that's how MC communicates.  I would probably open a thread about this in the Media Network forum where it will get attention from people that are very familiar with that.

3. Unable to install plugins - I started off with 22.0.22 and soon realized that I was unable to install plugins. When clicking the option to install plugins either from the main options window or the DSP Studio window, nothing happened. No pop-ups and no errors whatsoever.

I'm unsure what the status of this is.  I can barely find any VST plugins that will install in MC.  In fact, I can only think of one that I have made work and I have it installed now.  The problem is, the current version of MC (22.0.30) will NOT uninstall this plugin.  So I can't test installation functionality because I can't find any VSTs that are compatible with MC.

I would open a separate thread on this here in the MC22 for Mac forum.

1. When you say MC doesn't support Airplay, you're merely referring to the ability to stream directly from MC to airplay devices right?. Doing what I'm doing (Setting sound preferences in Mac to play through my airplay enabled devices should be just fine right?

I do not know.  I know direct AirPlay integration definitely isn't included.  Using AirPlay via a system device is something I have not tested.  I have seen no commentary from the JRiver staff on this.  So it's hard to say what should work because you have a (possibly) misbehaving device and I have no AirPlay to test with.    Sorry.

2. I intend to setup multi-room audio with a raspberry pi 3 or odroid C2. Is there a guide on how I can sync audio to multiple devices from JRiver running on a MAC?. Will these devices show up under Player--->Zone which I can then use to "Link" in MC to stream in sync?. Is that how it works?

This will never work for you with audio in sync.  Network devices will not maintain sync between each other.  They will always be out of time in some way.  You can certainly Zone Link any Zones that JRiver has shown in the tree.  You can even use the Zone Link Timing tool to adjust timing between zones.  But for network devices this is a waste of time because the timing drifts and will not stay in sync for long at all.

For locally connected devices, it doesn't even work that well in my experience.  Maybe I should test again, as Matt says he has very good sync with his local devices.

I'm told that a multi-channel sound device will maintain perfect sync because one device has one clock that's shared among all channels.  If you want perfectly in sync audio, I advise a multi-channel sound device and running wires to your destinations.  Or use another technology like Air Foil, which I believe allows you to send any kind of Mac audio to AirPlay devices *and* let's you link multiple AirPlay devices together in sync.

I've typed this all pretty fast and I'm realizing that my tone probably isn't all that positive.  Don't be discouraged; I'm just trying to efficiently tell you what I know about all of your questions.  Ask more if you'd like; open new threads as appropriate.

Welcome to MC.  I think you'll end up really liking it if we can get you over your initial hurdles.

Brian.

[Awesome Donkey]

In my testing, they are not working correctly.  Have you tested?  If so, which plugin(s) have you gotten to install and deinstall?

Just going by the changelogs - I don't use any kind of plugins on any OS in MC (don't see the need, IMO).

[jinxeddeep]

Plugins are fixed (more or less) in 22.0.30 which can be found on top of those forum section in the pinned release topic.

they don't seem to be working for me. Like I said, the plugins are grayed out at the moment. I can send post screenshots this evening.

[blgentry]

When clicking the option to install plugins either from the main options window or the DSP Studio window, nothing happened. No pop-ups and no errors whatsoever. I read that this was a bug with 22.0.22 and so downloaded 22.0.30 which said that it was fixed and sure enough, now, when I click on install plugins a finder window opens up but the .mjp file is grayed out for me.

I just re-read this.  I misunderstood the first time.  I thought you were talking about VST plugins, which are audio changing/manipulation plugins.  These are used with many different types of Audio software and MC supports them.

But you're talking about MC specific plugins.  MC plugins aren't for audio; they are enhancements to MC's functionality.  Those MJP files you are downloading are designed to be imported into the Windows version of MC.  They contain the address of the plugin (or skin) that you clicked on.

For skins, you can pull this address out of the MJP file and then download the *real* file from there.  For plugins, you're stuck.  MC for Mac does not support MC plugins.

Brian.

[jinxeddeep]

You've got a lot of questions below.  I'm going to try to answer what I can, but we might want to break some of these out into their own threads if they require further discussion.

I'm happy to try to help you.  But when you have a lot of different questions in one thread, sometimes they get lost, or the people helping get over whelmed with so much to analyze at one time that they don't give effective help.  I'm speaking for myself here.    On to the questions...

I remember another person here with the same device having problems with it and DLNA.  In the thread he opened, I asked if he would try connecting to the D7050 via USB or coaxial or optical digital.  He refused and never followed up with any additional information.  If you want to see the thread with a lot of problem reports from him, it's here:

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=105251.0

I'm not sure if the D7050 can be made to work correctly with MC or not.  It might work great.  But it might be worth a try to connect to it directly with USB or coax as a test.

Thank you so much for the link. It seems like he had the same problem as me. He's mentioned a few fixes on there which I will try this evening and report back.

So you mean using JRemote from outside your home network then right?  I know people do this all the time, but I haven't done it myself.  I prefer to have real local copies of my media on my devices.  Anyway, I think you're on to something opening the MC Media Network port (52199); that's how MC communicates.  I would probably open a thread about this in the Media Network forum where it will get attention from people that are very familiar with that.

Yes, I'm talking about accessing them from outside my home network. My primary phone is one sponsored by my company and it only has 16gb of space. That's the primary reason. The other reason is the fact that my music collection is not something that I can easily find on streaming services like Tidal and Spotify even though I have both.

I'm unsure what the status of this is.  I can barely find any VST plugins that will install in MC.  In fact, I can only think of one that I have made work and I have it installed now.  The problem is, the current version of MC (22.0.30) will NOT uninstall this plugin.  So I can't test installation functionality because I can't find any VSTs that are compatible with MC.

I would open a separate thread on this here in the MC22 for Mac forum.

I shall do that. I tried to keep everything to one post since I felt like I'd be spamming if i multi posted ,especially consiodering I'm new to the forum. But I hear ya, I'll create issue specific threads and in the right forums.

[jinxeddeep]

I just re-read this.  I misunderstood the first time.  I thought you were talking about VST plugins, which are audio changing/manipulation plugins.  These are used with many different types of Audio software and MC supports them.

But you're talking about MC specific plugins.  MC plugins aren't for audio; they are enhancements to MC's functionality.  Those MJP files you are downloading are designed to be imported into the Windows version of MC.  They contain the address of the plugin (or skin) that you clicked on.

For skins, you can pull this address out of the MJP file and then download the *real* file from there.  For plugins, you're stuck.  MC for Mac does not support MC plugins.

Brian.

Yes, I was talking about MC specific plugins, not VST, but, bummer!. I was mainly looking at Roomeq plugins.

Thanks once again for taking the time to answer all the questions. Really appreciate it, Brian.

[blgentry]

Yes, I was talking about MC specific plugins, not VST, but, bummer!. I was mainly looking at Roomeq plugins.

I'm not sure what plugins you are referring to.  Room EQ implies sound changing.  MC's DSP Studio has convolution, which can be used with many different room correction platforms.

Otherwise, I would expect a "room eq" plugin to be VST and not MC specific.  Again, MC "plugins" aren't for sound.  They are for things like visualizations, overlays on displays, communicating track change information, etc.  VST plugins are for changing sound characteristics (like equalization, etc).

Brian.

[jinxeddeep]

I'm not sure what plugins you are referring to.  Room EQ implies sound changing.  MC's DSP Studio has convolution, which can be used with many different room correction platforms.

Otherwise, I would expect a "room eq" plugin to be VST and not MC specific.  Again, MC "plugins" aren't for sound.  They are for things like visualizations, overlays on displays, communicating track change information, etc.  VST plugins are for changing sound characteristics (like equalization, etc).

Brian.

I was wrong about room eq being an audio processing plugin...my apologies...

however, there are a couple of plugins under DSP Plugins on the MC Plugin sections (DirectX plugin for instance). I was referring to them but I didn't attempt to download those since the first few interface plugins I tried didn't work. Are those under DSP Plugins VST plugins?. Thanks once again for responding.

[blgentry]

however, there are a couple of plugins under DSP Plugins on the MC Plugin sections (DirectX plugin for instance). I was referring to them but I didn't attempt to download those since the first few interface plugins I tried didn't work. Are those under DSP Plugins VST plugins?.

I had not noticed those before you pointed them out.  I see only two in that category.  One is an EXE file and the the other says it is DirectX.  DirectX is Windows only (I think) and EXE files are definitely only for Windows boxes.  So I don't think either of them are VSTs or compatible with MC for Mac.

Brian.

[Awesome Donkey]

DirectX is Windows only (I think) and EXE files are definitely only for Windows boxes.

Yup, correct!