Topic: Small Title Case Error, and a Request (Read 6624 times)

RD James · « **on:** January 24, 2017, 07:32:36 am »

When cleaning file properties on some tracks, I noticed that a 'the' after an exclamation mark is being made lower-case instead of upper-case.

And something I notice that I always end up fixing manually: could there be an option to clean up periods too?
Three or more should be replaced with a single ellipsis character: …
Sometimes this is formatted as '....' or '. . .' so spaces need to be accounted for.
I'm not sure if two should be cleaned up as a single period or expanded to an ellipsis.

Matt · « **Reply #1 on:** January 24, 2017, 07:37:39 am »

I just cleaned:
"Dancing Queen (Live) !the Hits"

And it became:
"Dancing Queen (Live) !The Hits"

That was in "Title Case" cleaning mode.

RD James · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2017, 07:39:34 am »

"Dancing Queen Live! The Hits"

Is changed to:

"Dancing Queen Live! the Hits"

I guess it's an interaction between the spacing or the brackets in your example.

Matt · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2017, 07:49:11 am »

Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 07:39:34 am

"Dancing Queen Live! The Hits"

Is changed to:

"Dancing Queen Live! the Hits"

I guess it's an interaction between the spacing or the brackets in your example.

Well in that case the isn't capitalized because we're using "Title case" and that doesn't capitalize articles.

RD James · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2017, 07:50:58 am »

Quote from: Matt on January 24, 2017, 07:49:11 am

Well in that case the isn't capitalized because we're using "Title case" and that doesn't capitalize articles.

An exclamation mark is the end of a sentence.

Matt · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2017, 07:54:21 am »

Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 07:50:58 am

An exclamation mark is the end of a sentence.

I'm not sure I'm following.

I just tried putting an exclamation at the end and it worked fine:
"Dancing Queen will you capitalize!"

Became:
"Dancing Queen Will You Capitalize!"

RD James · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2017, 08:05:42 am »

An exclamation mark is a period with emphasis.

"Dancing Queen Live. The Hits" or "Dancing Queen Live. the Hits"
Are changed to:
"Dancing Queen Live. The Hits"
Which is correct.

But:
"Dancing Queen Live! The Hits"
Is changing to:
"Dancing Queen Live! the Hits"

'The' should be capitalized in both titles.
'The' should only be made lower-case when it's in the middle of a sentence, not the start of a new one.

Matt · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2017, 08:18:38 am »

Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 08:05:42 am

But:
"Dancing Queen Live! The Hits"
Is changing to:
"Dancing Queen Live! the Hits"

'The' should be capitalized in both titles.
'The' should only be made lower-case when it's in the middle of a sentence, not the start of a new one.

You're sure right. Thanks for spelling this out.

It'll be fixed next build:
Fixed: Title case capitalization didn't correctly capitalize the word after an exclamation mark if it was an article.

RD James · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2017, 08:20:50 am »

Thanks.
Any thoughts on ellipses?

Matt · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2017, 08:22:52 am »

Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 08:20:50 am

Thanks.
Any thoughts on ellipses?

You mean replacing three periods with a '…' character?

I'm not that excited by it because even three periods seems pretty good to me, but feedback welcome.

RD James · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2017, 08:30:53 am »

Well it would ideally cover '..' '...' '. . .' '....' '.....' and so on.
I really prefer using a proper ellipsis character in names, but I suppose I can just keep fixing it manually if there's not much interest in adding that.

Matt · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2017, 08:33:14 am »

Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 08:30:53 am

Well it would ideally cover '..' '...' '. . .' '....' '.....' and so on.
I really prefer using a proper ellipsis character in names, but I suppose I can just keep fixing it manually if there's not much interest in adding that.

If you get three +1 votes, I'll sneak it in!

Awesome Donkey · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2017, 09:11:54 am »

Quote from: Matt on January 24, 2017, 08:33:14 am

If you get three +1 votes, I'll sneak it in!

+1 from me!

Matt · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2017, 09:23:27 am »

Alright, I snuck it in even though we didn't hit the vote threshold!

Coming next build:
NEW: Added the option 'Convert dots to the ellipsis character' for the tool Clean File Properties.

RD James · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2017, 11:34:54 am »

Awesome, thanks!

Matt · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2017, 01:03:55 pm »

Quote from: RD James on January 24, 2017, 11:34:54 am

Awesome, thanks!

I wasn't that sure what sets of characters to replace.

The only ones I have are "..." and ". . .". If you have other sets, please share.

Thanks.

RD James · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2017, 03:28:09 pm »

I've already cleaned up most of my library manually as it was imported so I don't have a lot of examples.

The most common issues are: "..." and ". . ."
However it's also being used improperly; with leading spaces or no trailing space.

I have encountered:

"Example...Example"
"Example ... Example"
"Example. . .Example"
"Example. . . Example"
"Example . . .Example"
"Example . . . Example"

Which should all be:
"Example… Example"

And:
"...Example at the Beginning"
"... Example at the Beginning"
". . . Example at the Beginning"

Which should be:
"…Example at the Beginning"

The only examples I've found with more than three periods are just when a track ends in an ellipsis - though I'm sure I must have corrected tracks with four or more before.
I think there should also be a capital following an ellipsis in title case.

JimH · « **Reply #17 on:** January 24, 2017, 05:18:16 pm »

You could use MC's Find and Replace to correct most of those.

I wasn't aware that there was supposed to be no space before an elipsis ... I've always used a space before and after. Here's what Wikpedia says:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis

According to that article, the Chicago Manual of Style suggests a space before and after.

JimH · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2017, 05:19:28 pm »

I should add, that MC must be in pretty good shape now if we're talking about spaces in conjunction with ellipses.

blgentry · « **Reply #19 on:** January 24, 2017, 05:37:42 pm »

I'm very much not a fan of non-ascii characters. If you turn my ascii into some kind of windows only encoding I'm going to be very unhappy. I'm guessing the "elipsis character" is a UTF-8 standard or something?

If it's truly cross platform compatible I guess it's all fine. But if this character causes the Rename function from RM&C to rename files with non-ascii characters that are NOT cross platform compatible, then this is a problem.

Brian.

Matt · « **Reply #20 on:** January 24, 2017, 05:55:45 pm »

Quote from: blgentry on January 24, 2017, 05:37:42 pm

I'm very much not a fan of non-ascii characters. If you turn my ascii into some kind of windows only encoding I'm going to be very unhappy. I'm guessing the "elipsis character" is a UTF-8 standard or something?

Well you opt-in to the replacement, and it's off by default.

The character it's replacing with is '…'. I would assume it works just fine on Mac and Linux, but I haven't actually tested!

blgentry · « **Reply #21 on:** January 24, 2017, 06:22:27 pm »

^ Opt in makes it all just fine. Thanks Matt. As usual, you're the man.

Brian.

ferday · « **Reply #22 on:** January 24, 2017, 07:28:59 pm »

Quote from: blgentry on January 24, 2017, 05:37:42 pm

I'm very much not a fan of non-ascii characters. If you turn my ascii into some kind of windows only encoding I'm going to be very unhappy. I'm guessing the "elipsis character" is a UTF-8 standard or something?

If it's truly cross platform compatible I guess it's all fine. But if this character causes the Rename function from RM&C to rename files with non-ascii characters that are NOT cross platform compatible, then this is a problem.

Brian.

ellipsis is ASCII 0133
option ; on the mac

so it's a supported character (depending on how it's used i suppose)

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