Topic: Oppo BDP-105 as media renderer (Read 14837 times)

stanzani · « **on:** March 10, 2017, 04:29:12 am »

Hello all
I have just got this unit and I am trying to make it working as a DLNA renderer for JRiver 22 DLNA server using either the Oppo user interface ('My Network' turned on the Oppo) or an Android app. JRemote is preferred by I'd like to use also the Raumsfeld teufel as well as Bubble UPnP)

The music and video files resides on a Qnap TS219P: Qnap Multimedia Server and Minim server are disabled for the moment since I think is not a good aidea to have many servers around

In principle I should see the render list in Bubble UPnP or I should be able to see the Oppo as a DLNA renderer in the player list of JRemote or Bubble UpNP

Correct?

What am I doing wrong?

Should I turn off the JRiver server and try either Qnap or minim? I do not like this since this may prevent me using JRemote and all the JRiver nice facilities

Please advise

thanks much

AndrewFG · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2017, 12:42:35 pm »

Disable QNAP media server, disable Bubble UPnP, disable minim server.

Import your media into MC. Turn on MC media server.

The Oppo will appear as a player in MC on the top left.

Select music in MC, and Play To Oppo.

Or select music on MC in JRemote, and Play To Oppo.

stanzani · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2017, 06:26:37 am »

Quote from: AndrewFG on March 10, 2017, 12:42:35 pm

Disable QNAP media server, disable Bubble UPnP, disable minim server.

Import your media into MC. Turn on MC media server.

The Oppo will appear as a player in MC on the top left.

Select music in MC, and Play To Oppo.

Or select music on MC in JRemote, and Play To Oppo.

Thanks much for your reply . I did this but i cannot see the oppo among the suggested render in jremote. I see the raumsfwld teufwl player though. Is the raumfwld a potential source o issues? Better than nothing the oppo application works just fine but without the tags and all database facilities

stanzani · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2017, 09:02:53 am »

I googled around and I read I have to disable setNext on the JRiver DLNA server options. I cannot find a way in the Options - Network menus

pèlease help

JimH · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2017, 09:35:40 am »

In the tree on the left, find the renderer under Playing Now, then right click on it. It's in renderer options at the bottom.

stanzani · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2017, 09:41:14 am »

I am sorry Jim but I cannot find anything like this ... the 105 is powered on and connected to the network (it can access individual file and folders from the Oppo app for android)

Still struggling ... looking for a DLNA Server options in JRiver doing the job (setNext? but how disable this?)

Thanks

DJLegba · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2017, 09:44:53 am »

To see the Oppo in Media Center, go to Option, Media Network, and make sure "Use Media Network to share this library and enable DLNA" is checked. After doing that you may have to restart Media Center. You should then see the Oppo on the left side with other devices under "Playing Now"

stanzani · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2017, 09:55:40 am »

This is checked since the beginning of my happy JRiver experience. Infact I am using JRiver as a media server since 2-3 years. I also have a couple of installation in my office to use Jreiver a a client of the server residing at home. It works perfectly in the Intranet and on the intenrnet so far.
The raumsfeld connector (conncted in my intranet) is recognized as a media renderer, as well as Bubble UpNP (both disabled now). I have trouble only with the Oppo

AndrewFG · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2017, 10:01:22 pm »

If you can see other renderers in MC but cannot see the Oppo as a renderer, then you have a network routing problem. Please describe the configuration of your LAN (router, Ethernet connections, wifi, etc.)

stanzani · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2017, 04:54:29 am »

Ok.
I am connected to the internet throug an adb100 modem router (dhcp on)
This resides in my hobby room. A lan port is connected to a router ap netgear wnr 4500 (dhcp ohh). One port is connected to a qnap nas ts219 (minim off and music server off). Another port is connected to a w10 pc which runs the jriver server. There are is a switch from netgear in beween since a smart tv is connected to the internet
Thanks

stanzani · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2017, 05:01:45 am »

I just tried to connect the wnr 4500 lan to the jriver server pc. No joy. I also tried to connect the adb100 to the wnr 4500 through the 'yellow' lan port. No joy.

stanzani · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2017, 05:12:53 am »

More insights . I lanched bubble upnp when i am connected via android smartphone to the hobby room wifi access point. Chromecast is reported as a possible renderer by goggle upnp while jremote dont. JRemote display just the upstairs server as a possible renderer. P.s. the yellow lan was a crappy idea of course

stanzani · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2017, 05:22:18 am »

Getting better. Now bubble upnp (from ap in the hobby room) get the libray from jriver media server and uses the oppo as renderer. I can navigate the jriver library pretty good. This should demonstrate that the problem is jremote which is defective as dlna renderer with the oppo

stanzani · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2017, 05:23:54 am »

Curiously jremote lists the bubble unp as a renderer so i can play throug jremote towards my smartphone ...

stanzani · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2017, 08:30:40 am »

Quote from: AndrewFG on March 10, 2017, 12:42:35 pm

Disable QNAP media server, disable Bubble UPnP, disable minim server.

Import your media into MC. Turn on MC media server.

The Oppo will appear as a player in MC on the top left.

Select music in MC, and Play To Oppo.

Or select music on MC in JRemote, and Play To Oppo.

it is supposed to appear as a media render in JRemote?

thanks

AndrewFG · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2017, 06:26:03 pm »

If you don't see your Oppo as a possible renderer in JRemote (bottom left tile) then you have a problem with your network. (There is certainly nothing wrong with jremote).

stanzani · « **Reply #16 on:** March 30, 2017, 09:54:06 am »

you are probably right. Still, i cans ee other renderers in JRemote so the problem could be the JRiver DLNA server ...
As a workaround I will use Chromecast to stream audio to the Oppo via the HDMI input

AndrewFG · « **Reply #17 on:** March 30, 2017, 12:41:45 pm »

There is nothing wrong with MC, nothing wrong with JRemote, and probably nothing physically wrong with the Oppo. (I have an Oppo which works just fine in this constellation).

Your problem is probably due to a networking, routing, firewall, or anti-virus s/w problem.

stanzani · « **Reply #18 on:** April 06, 2017, 04:37:20 am »

Quote from: AndrewFG on March 30, 2017, 12:41:45 pm

There is nothing wrong with MC, nothing wrong with JRemote, and probably nothing physically wrong with the Oppo. (I have an Oppo which works just fine in this constellation).

Your problem is probably due to a networking, routing, firewall, or anti-virus s/w problem.

Bubble UPnP and Raumsfeld Teufel Connector recognize the Oppo as DLNA renderer, JRemote and JRiver 22 does not.

Which means, though possible I think it is unlikely there is a problem in my network, which can house Bubble UPnP and Ramsfeld. This also means the the defect is possibily with JRiver / JRemote.

I will try to deactivate the firewall where the JRiver server runs.

Thanks

stanzani · « **Reply #19 on:** April 06, 2017, 08:55:41 am »

what about streaming audio through chromecast to the oppo? any drawback? I can in priciple use the raumsfeld Connector teufel as a bridge to the Cast. I will try tonight

DJLegba · « **Reply #20 on:** April 06, 2017, 09:05:18 am »

Chromecast via Bubble doesn't do gapless.

AndrewFG · « **Reply #21 on:** April 06, 2017, 02:21:13 pm »

Quote from: stanzani on April 06, 2017, 04:37:20 am

Bubble UPnP and Raumsfeld Teufel Connector recognize the Oppo as DLNA renderer

This also means the the defect is possibily with JRiver / JRemote.

Wrong. MC finds my Oppo just fine.

Quote

I will try to deactivate the firewall where the JRiver server runs.

Yes. Do that.

stanzani · « **Reply #22 on:** April 07, 2017, 03:16:29 am »

Quote from: AndrewFG on April 06, 2017, 02:21:13 pm

Wrong. MC finds my Oppo just fine.

Yes. Do that.

The Oppo must be turned on or it is supposed to be reckognized as a renderer also when in stand-by?

Thanks

JimH · « **Reply #23 on:** April 07, 2017, 06:13:36 am »

That would depend on how the Oppo behaves. You could check the manual. But I would not expect it to work in Standby.

ajw1997 · « **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2017, 03:44:44 am »

Hi all,
I have a related problem.
I have an Oppo BDP-105D that I want to use as a media renderer via DNLA. I have JRiver 23 on a Windows 10 computer.
(I am planning to run it all off a QNAP NAS - but want to get it working on a Windows computer first).
But I can't seem to be able to set up JRiver 23 to push music files in the three formats I use - AIFF, FLAC and DSF (stereo and multichannel) - from the same configuration.
I can get JRiver to push AIFF files when I configure the DLNA server to send as PCM 24 Bit (where mode is set as: specified output format). I think it is actually pushing WAV files.

But I can only push DSF files when the DLNA server is configured to send as "Original", format PCM L24 no header. FLAC also works in this setting.

But this means I need one configuration for AIFF, and another for DSF and FLAC - this is not convenient when I want to choose from music in different formats.

Is there a way to configure JRiver to have one set up for all these files, which is also able to maintain the highest quality. It seems that it would be good for JRiver to be able to adapt to different formats - but I can't see how.

I look forward to any advice.

Regards,

Andrew

stanzani · « **Reply #25 on:** June 26, 2017, 05:26:01 am »

I can now 'see' the Oppo BD-105 as a DLNA media render by any JRiver clients (both JRiver MC and JRemote). I changed the ISP (from fasstweb to Vodafone, for italian readers), i.e. also the modem-router is different and it is now working like a charm

Kinda black magic ...

ajw1997 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 03, 2017, 04:29:46 am »

Hello,
Any advice in response to my post of 26 June would be gratefully received.
Regards,
Andrew

JimH · « **Reply #27 on:** August 03, 2017, 06:24:02 am »

The usual solution is to convert everything, using MC's DSP Studio > Output Settings.

You probably could set up two audio zones with two different settings. MC can choose one or the other depending on file format.

ajw1997 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 06, 2017, 04:29:03 am »

Thanks Jim.
I'm looking into this. As I'm pushing to a Oppo BDP-105D, I'm trying to avoid conversions.
With respect to zones, I see how to indicate that different zones for a specific format. But I do not appear to be able to indicate that a zone is also to use a specific DLNA server. Is there a way for zones (selected on basis of file format) to also use a specific DLNA server?
Regards,

Andrew

JimH · « **Reply #29 on:** August 06, 2017, 06:16:48 am »

Yes.

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=76605.0

ajw1997 · « **Reply #30 on:** August 20, 2017, 12:29:27 am »

Hello,
Thanks for your response.
I have spent a fair bit of time trying to implement, whereby I am seeking to define two different zones that are attached to a common renderer (Oppo BDP-105D).
Zone 1 is for AIFF/AIF files, and needs to use a DNLA server established for this purpose (Mode: specified output format, Format: PCM 24 Bit
Zone 2 is for other files (mainly DSF and FLAC) with a separate DLNA server (Mode: Original, Format: PCM L24 No header).

But in seeking to implement that above as zones (which are then selected using ZoneSwitch based on file type) I have hit two related obstacles.
1. I cannot indicate that a zone is to use a specific DLNA server. I can do this for 'players' but not zones.
2. I cannot create two zones which use a common DLNA renderer (i.e. the Oppo BDP-105D).

I have gone through many settings to try and get this working.
Any advice gratefully received.

Regards,

Andrew

JimH · « **Reply #31 on:** August 20, 2017, 07:24:49 am »

I thought that the selection was under the File Types option menu, but I can't find it. Take a look there to see if you can find something useful. It defaults to automatic.

What you set for each zone should be used for that zone. Try toggling zones manually (ctrl-t).

JimH · « **Reply #32 on:** August 20, 2017, 07:29:09 am »

Right click on a zone in the tree to "associate with DLNA server".

blgentry · « **Reply #33 on:** August 20, 2017, 10:37:31 am »

Andrew appears to be at a dead end. He wants TWO zones that point to the same DLNA renderer. I don't think that is possible in MC.

Brian.

ajw1997 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 22, 2017, 06:53:45 am »

Hi,
I'll give these a go...but I'm pretty sure I've explored all these options.
Are there any prospects for this limitation being addressed?
My ultimate goal is to use a NAS as a server, and use JRemote as the controller. But I can't do this if I'm unable to push AIFF, FLAC and DSF files. And I don't want to be 'converting' files - esp. the DSF files.

Regards,

Andrew

ajw1997 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 27, 2017, 01:02:33 am »

Hi all,
I can't make any progress based on this advice.

Is this an issue that JRiver will resolve in a future version?

Regards,

Andrew

AndrewFG · « **Reply #36 on:** August 28, 2017, 03:33:07 pm »

Currently in MC you can simply select to push either a) Original or b) Always Convert. You must choose either one or the other, and there is no possibility to have different behaviors depending on the source media format. (The "Convert only when needed" setting does not actually do what you would expect here).

What is needed in a future version of MC is that, depending on the renderer playing capabilities, it should push Original for the formats that the renderer can play native, and push Always Convert for the formats that the renderer cannot play native.

In its simplest formulation, MC settings could offer the user a manual list of source formats, each with a drop down choice "Always Convert / Original" for the user to select from. (I think it would help to also offer the user a blanket choice to apply the "Always Convert / Original" to ALL of the source formats, but that's just a UI detail).

In a more sophisticated formulation, MC would add a button that would allow you to pre-populate the above mentioned "Always Convert / Original" selector list by running GetProtocolInfo on the target renderer, and parsing out the supported SinkProtocolInfo formats. The user could then manually tweak the settings afterwards.

( Note: for added flexibility, it would be nice, (but not strictly necessary), if Always Convert would allow different target formats than the PCM, WAV, or MP3 formats currently offered. )

bob · « **Reply #37 on:** August 28, 2017, 03:41:07 pm »

Quote from: AndrewFG on August 28, 2017, 03:33:07 pm

Currently in MC you can simply select to push either a) Original or b) Always Convert. You must choose either one or the other, and there is no possibility to have different behaviors depending on the source media format. (The "Convert only when needed" setting does not actually do what you would expect here).

What is needed in a future version of MC is that, depending on the renderer playing capabilities, it should push Original for the formats that the renderer can play native, and push Always Convert for the formats that the renderer cannot play native.

In its simplest formulation, MC settings could offer the user a manual list of source formats, each with a drop down choice "Always Convert / Original" for the user to select from. (I think it would help to also offer the user a blanket choice to apply the "Always Convert / Original" to ALL of the source formats, but that's just a UI detail).

In a more sophisticated formulation, MC would add a button that would allow you to pre-populate the above mentioned "Always Convert / Original" selector list by running GetProtocolInfo on the target renderer, and parsing out the supported SinkProtocolInfo formats. The user could then manually tweak the settings afterwards.

( Note: for added flexibility, it would be nice, (but not strictly necessary), if Always Convert would allow different target formats than the PCM, WAV, or MP3 formats currently offered. )

I'm thinking there might be a way to get zone switch to work with this if there was a way to clone DLNA zones. Then one could select which things by file type got played with the various conversion options by associating them with zones that use particular DLNA servers. It may be too complex though...

As for other formats, they need to be able to be built and streamed at the same time. PCM, Wave and MP3 can do this. Flac cannot (unless it's in an ogg container and I don't think anyone does that).
Realistically, streaming in PCM is just decoding and is the simplest option (unless you have limited network bandwidth).

AndrewFG · « **Reply #38 on:** August 29, 2017, 04:17:21 pm »

I am imagining a table of source formats with a select Always Convert / Original next to each...

But another option could be "Always Convert Except for comma delimited list of file extensions that the renderer can play native". Or something like that. What do you think bob?

ajw1997 · « **Reply #39 on:** August 29, 2017, 09:32:21 pm »

Hi all,
This type of functionality would be ideal - where you can specify how different file formats are handled.
It would avoid the need to worry about zones.
And enables JRiver to best serve a renderer like a Oppo-BDP105D.
As mentioned earlier, I'm trying to minimise JRiver doing any conversions - esp. of DSF files. That is best done by the Oppo.

Regards,

Andrew

bob · « **Reply #40 on:** September 06, 2017, 09:28:05 am »

Quote from: AndrewFG on August 29, 2017, 04:17:21 pm

I am imagining a table of source formats with a select Always Convert / Original next to each...

But another option could be "Always Convert Except for comma delimited list of file extensions that the renderer can play native". Or something like that. What do you think bob?

I think this is probably a more simple approach (and so easier to understand) than using zoneswitch...

ajw1997 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 06, 2017, 06:58:13 pm »

Thanks Bob.

JRiver developers - any prospect of this being included in the next version?

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