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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2017, 02:29:38 pm »

JimH, great spiderweb analogy. Reminds me of this recent article by a former MS Office developer.
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If the product starts to grow complex — and you can predict that fairly directly by looking at the size of the development team — then costs will come to be dominated by that increasing feature interaction and essential complexity. Project after project has demonstrated there is nothing about language or underlying technical infrastructure that changes that fundamental curve... So “free code” tends to be “free as in puppy” rather than “free as in beer”.
https://hackernoon.com/complexity-and-strategy-325cd7f59a92

I've been a JRiver Media Center customer since MC15 in 2009, and like many here it is one the programs I use it on a daily, sometimes hourly, basis. Thank you all for all your hard work. Also, thank you for soliciting input from customers so frequently. It's hard to think of another software company that is as responsive as JRiver.

A few thoughts on my current use:

-In the past 8 years, many other media managers either have come and gone, or have changed interface significantly every 9 months as part of a business model (Google images, for example.) I'm so glad you all don't reinvent yourself every version by building a totally new software interface, and I'm sure a lot of other people think this too and don't say it. Thanks!

- Because core interface and functionality of JRiver has remained basically the same since 2009, many of the skills I picked up in the early days via Interact are still very useful. For example, I learned how to build new Views from Marko's threads in 2012, or setting up servers based on Glynor's system descriptions and diagrams in 2009. Hilton's multi room audio systems and awesome computer builds. Or anything posted by MrC, man I miss that guy. Basically yabb.jriver.com is a fantastic corner of the Internet. Thanks for building this forum and keeping Interact a great place to post and learn.

-My main use of JRiver is as a digital media file catalog, organizer, server, and player. Main focus is music, I've got an semi-audiophile system, a couple kitchen sink systems, a music production computer, and a bunch of phones. JRiver gets used on all of them. It's hard to think of any area or system which it doesn't serve very well.

-Media Files are complicated. People who get this, immediately get JRiver. I have recommended the program to a lot of people who need advanced file management features and tagging capabilities for video, photos, or media. Most of them now have JRiver licences.

Thoughts on my future use:

I'd love to see better PDF tagging. Then I could use JRiver to tag sheet music and pair sheet music, chord charts, and scores with recordings. Right now saving tags to files on pdf doesn't seem as straightforward as with audio files. JRiver tags sometimes appear in other programs, sometime don't. I'll start a new thread if this is an area of interest. Haven't seen a lot of interest in PDF tagging and organizing on this forum, but it seems like a logical extension of the JRiver toolkit to me.

Big picture-wise, I think streaming is here to stay. Everybody I know gets their media from multiple sources.  This has definitely changed how I use JRiver, and I imagine this will continue to change. There are a lot of choices now and I use a pastiche approach.

In our house, that means Amazon Video, Google Movies and Youtube via Chromecast, and Pandora. We don't watch any broadcast or cable TV, unless you count SNL on Youtube. Sports are mostly commercials (I get bored fast.) News...oy. There was a short time when I thought I would just use Theater View for all media, but the Chromecast and Amazon video won for me in the end. I only watch movies and videos once, so a local archive isn't that important for me.

So in the past year I've explored ways of making JRiver + Engen + a few other programs the "brains" of a multi source media system and eventually control the entire house. Like this:

https://youtu.be/I4fLwMEhyts?t=38m23s

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But ideally, you would hit play on any source and zone, input, volume, lighting, and beverage of choice would just magically appear. I've gotten close by using .bat scripts and Eventghost triggers to send IR commands and switch Engen devices. I'll update how I currently do this in a post when I have time. Still working on the beverage of choice...

There are a couple of things that could make the "House Brain" work better:

-Flawless Zone Sync, with millisecond audio clock adjustments aka Hilton's Airplay via Tuneblade. With the WDM driver taking audio inputs and zone audio sync, the PI ID system could effectively replace an expensive Sonos with stereos of choice. It seems like a big market and there is no choice for zone sync other than custom wiring or Sonos.

-Conditional triggers in Engen (I have a hunch this is in the works), based on a sensor's state or even on a computer event.

-Customizable HDMI CEC and IR blasts to control other electronics and set inputs etc. JRiver does some of this but I use Eventghost to get full customization. Engen IR blaster, for example?

-Some way to display MetaData for songs from streaming sources (I'm sure this is possible...but probably very difficult/expensive)

-Simple controls that allow custom single button presses (for example, in the kitchen I don't want to use a phone, all I want is a big button to start a smartlist and another to stop playback.)

-Engen Scene and Smartlist Integration...so music plays in the pool when Clive James jumps in for a swim.

As far as MC23, many fantastic suggestions abound in this thread. I'm personally looking forward to seeing what comes next. Thanks for all your efforts, and thanks for listening!
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #51 on: April 21, 2017, 05:54:17 pm »

To be honest .. not so great. I embraced the concept (home theatre and audio user) with MC19. Loaded all my music, films and video into it. I use it every day. I like it but recent improvements seem to have passed me by and what used to be small frustrations have grown because they have either not been addressed or I never discovered they had been solved.

A few examples:
--like a previous poster, I still don't get the browser window with its tabs. It may do many things but I cannot even type anything into what in other browsers is the address field

--playlists: Wiki says somewhere MC can read xml playlists. iTunes produces xml files for the benefit of non-Apple software (iTunes Music Library.xml). Sonos can read these files and automatically imports the playlists found in them. MC cannot do it. It may be able to read individual playlists saved in xml format but that is not useful to me because I have too many of them and they tend to change often. It is all very well to say that it has its own (and better) way of approaching music as one commentator did, but I am sure I am not the only one whose time is limited and cannot be bothered to try to keep multiple systems in sync. I run MC in the home theatre; elsewhere in the house Sonos runs the music show. However much I would like to do without it, I need iTunes to serve music for my phone and iPad. It would be great if MC fitted into all this seamlessly.

--music sorting: to this day I have not succeeded in finding a way to show my music sorted by album. Invariably the same album appears all over the place. All I want sometimes is to group and sort my music by album on the basis of the album title only. I would have thought  this is fairly elementary, but perhaps I am missing something?

--remote app: works fine but not very good for classical music lovers

Don't get me wrong. MC is a a great program, but it is showing its age a bit and looks and behaves like something from the previous century (in our household I am the only one to use it; the others find it way too complex).
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #52 on: April 21, 2017, 06:54:02 pm »

It seems you have experience with a number of the alternatives out there. Do you have an MCE remote (or clone)? MC uses these natively and all the buttons are there for direct access to Theater View functions - TV, Music, Guide, Live TV, Movies etc.

I use MCE remotes, and I have the same remote everywhere.  Part of what gets even me lost in the theater view interface is that if I don't remember to make sure some of the menu choices at the top or bottom of the screen aren't "in focus" I.E. they haven't been highlighted by someone accidently pressing the wrong button, then I end up somewhere I didn't intend to go.  Its little tedious things like that.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2017, 07:48:54 am »

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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2017, 11:17:32 am »

Jim, you list the main MC community as Home Theater, Audiophiles, TV Enthusiasts, Music Collectors, seems spot-on. I adopted MJ/MC around 2001 for exactly that.

BUT, MC promises to do more. On the splash screen, and in the default views tree, MC announces that it handles Audio, Video and IMAGES.

But as various MC user discussions show, IMAGES seems to be the least-evolved, and that's a shame. MC is so close... And the opportunity is real. So many other photo-oriented sites/apps have become phone-obsessed, simplistic apps which do not help anyone who is serious about polishing, organizing and managing their photos (and scans and PDFs and other images).


Is doing a bit more work on MC's IMAGES mode worthwhile? Start with existing customers: I bet many MC users already have, and continue to create, photos that beg for decent management. Consider the frequency and quantity of how people get new audio or video files to manage, vs. the landslide of photos that are created via the so-called phone in everyone's pocket. 10X more, 100X more, 1000X more? People needing to manage Images/photos seems like a potential market that is orders of magnitude larger than managing audio, which seems larger than managing video.


I agree with Musichawk.  JRiver has a wonderful starting point for images but some further work is needed.

I have made several tries at using MC for image management.  After getting some great advice from Musichawk and Marko,  I'm rapidly getting a MC workflow for images in place.  The user interface for selecting and tagging images is much more powerful than what other image editors/managers provide.

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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2017, 04:07:54 pm »

Hi,
my problem with JRiver and images is, that I have 70% raw images which I edited in Lightroom.
So I see only unedited images in JRiver.
JPEGs out of this I have only online (in my case in onedrive and some on flickr), no local jpeg copy - but this would be the only solution I think to use this with JRiver.

BR
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #56 on: April 25, 2017, 12:24:42 pm »

Hi,

After reading the additional posts, I got two more points:
- stability! Started with 17, and since 22 it is running ultra-stable (Win10, 25k+ songs, 300 videos, convolving, ROHQ)! My sony-BDplayer needed more reboots than MC... Thanks a lot for this, guys  ;D
- browser: yeah, agree, no clue how this should work. If I accidently click it, it's always creepy for me  :o 8)

Just bought MC23  ;)
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2017, 08:27:20 pm »

I am using JRiver as an active crossover for my speakers. Don't get me wrong, JRiver's DSP studio has some incredible features, and it has incredible potential, but as of currently it is really lacking in the DSP studio area for usability.

My main issue: JRiver has done all the hard work on making the DSP studio technically fantastic for an active crossover solution, but it is frustrating to see how user unfriendly and cumbersome it is to use, and that's the easy part! The good thing is it'll only take a little bit of work will go a long way.

0. Get the volume control keys working on WDM!!!

1. There should be a matrix mixer. I should not have to manually copy my left and right channels to 8 other channels to start with a 4 way crossover.

2. Linkwitz Riley crossovers need to be implemented. Right now we have to do 2 Butterworth filters to make a Linkwitz Riley crossover. That's just silly.

3. We should be able to rename channels so we know which channel is for what driver.

4. There should be a way to group filters together for one channel so it is easy to see what is done for each channel (driver).

5. Option to apply a different convolution for each channel

6. Option to apply plugins and effects for specific channels

7. Make peak level meter MUCH more meaningful. It is so easy to exceed 100%. I need to see on what channel it is exceeding 100%. What's contributing to the number?

8. WDM driver needs to have the option to be able to stay on all the time to prevent start up stutter.

9. Drag to multi select a number of filters. After needing to create 20-30 filters just to get started, there is no easy way to delete all filters to start over besides deleting one by one.

Don't get me wrong, JRiver has some seriously advanced and powerful features under DSP studio that is so far ahead any DSP I've ever used, but there are some embarrassingly basic usability problems that are seriously holding back this amazing feature. It is so bad that I've been extensively working with active speakers for years and I just heard about JRiver as a computer based active crossover DSP. The features are so much better (and cheaper) than DSPs or other PC/Linux software solutions it is comparing a high school basketball team player vs Lebron James, yet so few people use it. It's because there's major usability issues. If I wasn't determined, I would have long given up on JRiver instead of spending weeks trying to find solutions to basic usability issues that should never exist (and certainly doesn't on other platforms).

The amount of work to fix the usability up is trivial compared to some of the advanced features that are implemented. It feels like JRiver designed a Lamborghini with all the wonderful engineering, but the steering wheel is two left and right buttons. I hope JRiver's dev team can spend a little time to improve the basic usability issues of DSP studio.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2017, 04:37:24 am »

I have just bought a master for mc23. As much as I like JRiver I am kindly requesting to improve  subtitles feature. It is not so important for English spoken nations but a must for the rest of the world.  There was a huge step forward in mc22, yet there are a few improvements to be done.
1. In get movie & tv info the only subtitles working are srt. No sub or tmp although they are listed there.
2. Timing of the subtitles. PLEASE PLEASE work on this in the first place. It simply works in some mysterious way. I am always spending several minutes to get the subs right if they are out of order after downloading. The values are not correct with what I see and hear. Someone requested -5000/ +5000 ms. Thats fine, but do I have to move forward or backward starting with -5000 when I need to change from +1800 to +1900 for example? Why it doesnt start with 0 or a previously  chosen value? It would be much better to input a proper values manualy. Or the Best Solution: make some short Keys to work on subtitles while watching a movie. It works beatifully in Best player that way. Apart from that thank you for your work.

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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2017, 05:26:49 am »

It would be much better to input a proper values manualy. Or the Best Solution: make some short Keys to work on subtitles while watching a movie. It works beatifully in Best player that way.
I've suggested something similar several times.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #60 on: April 27, 2017, 05:44:45 am »

Wanna know how to make $$$$$$$ ? Find a way that ID bitstreams DSD over hdmi !

For the video part times are changing....it's only a matter of time until the kodis (libbluray etc...) and mkv's will subsist....never forget once aacs circumvention is dead which all dvdfab redfoxes makmkv use there will be no more new video files copy to hd....sad but that's reality.

UHD forget it on pc...will be at nightmare...cyberlink takes the bet....all circumvention parties already stated hand-off uhd

Maybe a better attention to have jriver server command hardware players aka oppo could be an idea...all these players work brilliantly but have no graphical beauty for livraries...

Just my 50c



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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #61 on: April 27, 2017, 05:48:51 am »

IMO, DSD is a niche market, hardly what I'd call a way to make $$$$.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2017, 07:51:45 am »

IMO, DSD is a niche market, hardly what I'd call a way to make $$$$.

Not with deep pockets audiophiles. A lot of them have av receivers that can receive dsd bitstremed over hdmi but nothing outside of sacd or universal players can deliver it. That's where the dac market is now booming...
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2017, 09:03:43 am »

-Simple controls that allow custom single button presses (for example, in the kitchen I don't want to use a phone, all I want is a big button to start a smartlist and another to stop playback.)

You just gave me an idea!

I use Philips hue lights in my house, and they have a "dimmer remote" with 4 buttons.

With EventGhost it should be easy for me to poll the remote, and use it to start playing a radio station and control the volume of MC. Excellent for the kitchen. I could even let it rotate between a playlist of radio stations, at the touch of a button.

Thanks for the great idea!
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #64 on: April 27, 2017, 09:22:52 am »

0. Get the volume control keys working on WDM!!!

The volume control in JRiver works exactly the same when playing files as it does on WDM. I don't see what is wrong with that?

1. There should be a matrix mixer. I should not have to manually copy my left and right channels to 8 other channels to start with a 4 way crossover.

I agree that it is an annoyance, but it isn't really a big issue. You do it once and never again.

2. Linkwitz Riley crossovers need to be implemented. Right now we have to do 2 Butterworth filters to make a Linkwitz Riley crossover. That's just silly.

Agreed. LR filters should be there, and it should be possible to select the Q-factor for any 2.-8. order filter. The present "S"-value doesn't make any sense.

3. We should be able to rename channels so we know which channel is for what driver.

Agreed. Especially since MC had incorrect naming for the rear-/sidechannels, I have not tested wether that has been fixed. But for multichannel crossovers it would be very beneficial with the ability to rename channels.

4. There should be a way to group filters together for one channel so it is easy to see what is done for each channel (driver).

Agreed.

5. Option to apply a different convolution for each channel

That exists, I use convolution for every separate channel in my system.

6. Option to apply plugins and effects for specific channels

That I believe is possible..?

7. Make peak level meter MUCH more meaningful. It is so easy to exceed 100%. I need to see on what channel it is exceeding 100%. What's contributing to the number?

Agreed, the current peak level meter is not very useful.

8. WDM driver needs to have the option to be able to stay on all the time to prevent start up stutter.


Agreed, the WDM driver in general needs some work.

9. Drag to multi select a number of filters. After needing to create 20-30 filters just to get started, there is no easy way to delete all filters to start over besides deleting one by one.

Why do you want to start over, you could instead modify the filters.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #65 on: April 27, 2017, 09:37:01 am »

8. WDM driver needs to have the option to be able to stay on all the time to prevent start up stutter.

jjazdk addressed most of your points excellently, but number 8 already exists.  If you go under the File menu and select "open live" you can select "WASAPI Loopback."  This is very similar to the WDM driver, but it will redirect the output from whatever the default audio device is.  I recommend choosing something other than the WDM driver as a default to avoid routing conflicts (the motherboard soundcard or an unused HDMi output for example).  Once you turn loopback on, it stays on until you turn it off.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #66 on: April 27, 2017, 09:41:50 am »

reminder of an old thread re DSP related functionality - https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,99096.msg685880.html#msg685880

I think all of this is still relevant today
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #67 on: April 27, 2017, 09:51:58 am »

jjazdk addressed most of your points excellently, but number 8 already exists.  If you go under the File menu and select "open live" you can select "WASAPI Loopback."  This is very similar to the WDM driver, but it will redirect the output from whatever the default audio device is.  I recommend choosing something other than the WDM driver as a default to avoid routing conflicts (the motherboard soundcard or an unused HDMi output for example).  Once you turn loopback on, it stays on until you turn it off.

I think he meant something else, than what you suggest, but I could be mistaken.

My interpretation of his wish is for the WDM driver to always steal the windows stream, also when MC is playing a local file. This to avoid the stutter that happens each and every time, when trying to play a WDM stream.

For me WDM has been a struggle for a loooooong time, and still is. It always stutters for quite some time, when I go from playing a local file to a WDM stream. The stutters will become less frequent (but never completely dissapear) the longer the WDM stream has been running. After 5-10 minutes (sometimes it takes more than half an hour) the WDM stream seams to reach a stable state, where I get a stutter every half minute, or every minute if I am really lucky.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #68 on: April 27, 2017, 09:57:04 am »

I think he meant something else, than what you suggest, but I could be mistaken.

My interpretation of his wish is for the WDM driver to always steal the windows stream, also when MC is playing a local file. This to avoid the stutter that happens each and every time, when trying to play a WDM stream.

For me WDM has been a struggle for a loooooong time, and still is. It always stutters for quite some time, when I go from playing a local file to a WDM stream. The stutters will become less frequent (but never completely dissapear) the longer the WDM stream has been running. After 5-10 minutes (sometimes it takes more than half an hour) the WDM stream seams to reach a stable state, where I get a stutter every half minute, or every minute if I am really lucky.

Based on his other threads, I think he was talking about the stutter right when the WDM driver starts up in the first few seconds; I've never seen the issue you're describing with stutters continuing after the opening moments (once the WDM driver fully starts it's stutter free for me), but I definitely hear a brief stutter everytime a stream starts as the WDM driver is latching on and a few seconds of audio are lost .  So I think he wanted a way to turn on the WDM driver and have it stay on to avoid the stutter when it first starts up, and the loopback solves that problem.  If you play a local file the loopback just switches off, and you can switch the loopback on again at the end if you want. 

The only time I've seen recurrent stuttering with the WDM was when my buffers weren't correct, but it looks like you've been through all that already based on prior posts.
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« Reply #69 on: April 27, 2017, 01:33:24 pm »

To be honest, I haven't upgraded since MC20.  I quit checking the forum regularly, and I pop in every so often to see if there are any improvements.  While I know for certain that the work on Mac and Linux, as well as TV Recording, was a huge undertaking, as a Windows/Android user, it doesn't really effect me. 

Things that have been discussed ad nauseam that I would still like to see: improvements to Theater View, porting to Android, and synchronized zone play-back.  Until there is any work done in those areas, personally, I see no reason to upgrade.

I consume almost all my media via streaming through phone, tablet, or Fire TV now.  To that end, MC has been mainly relegated to just a media server these days.  Mostly, just for family pictures, podcasts, and work-out videos.  Almost all of my video and audio is streamed now, so Library Management is minimal, and my main front end on the TV is Amazon or Kodi.  The Kodi interface is easier and preferred by the wife and kids. Occasionally, if I get the house to myself for bit, I'll pull up MC to listen to hi-res music, but that is rare.
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« Reply #70 on: April 28, 2017, 02:12:52 pm »

JRemote completes me!  ;D

Big fan of JRiver MC22 (Windows 10). JRemote (iPhone 7) still remains far and away the best music streamer out there. I realize some folks have had issues with the JRemote support as of late but it works seamlessly for me. Use it for remote streaming several hours of every day. No need for Spotify or whatever paid streaming services out there. And, I've recommended JRiver to many folks.

Please keep up the good work!

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« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2017, 05:04:43 pm »

Now that i jave built a new media center around a Geforce 1080 GTX TI (it's for 4K gaming too) i have switched completely to jriver and have dumped kodi and hopefully soon plex

jriver is the best for hd audio and for 3D video.  i have huge collections of both.  on the audio side it plays everything i have flawlessly: flac multi-channel, any sampling and bit rate; dsd without issue as well.   

it has a somewhat confusing interface or perhaps not as pretty as kodi or plex but jremote on my ipad more than makes up for it.  jremote is great - an excelent native app that i hope continues to be updated

my next steps are to try and get it working like plex where i can watch my content on the go.   i travel frequently and this is important to me. 

i appreciate the customizability of jriver but find the documentation and guides lacking.  it takes a lot of research to get things the way i want them but satisfying when i do.   

in summary - great product.   jriver + jremote have turned my home theater into a special place.   the stability is also excellent and the inclusion of madvr is awesome too (thus my 3D support)

great product - worth every penny


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« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2017, 06:14:36 pm »

Thank you.
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« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2017, 06:46:17 pm »

I'm splitting topics that become discussions.
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« Reply #74 on: April 29, 2017, 07:13:04 am »

The same as always , keeping ahead of the game and providing a superlative service and unbeatable product, the forum remains the mainstay of all queries on MC.

I really only use MC for music , although I collate all my video in there as well for convenience.

This year I have undertaken a project of adding a custom tag "Composition" to my classical stuff, the ease of tagging with MC became very apparent as did all the Text Tools in Library tools. I used "Another" product (MusiCHI Tagger) to help with Composition lookups and standardisation of spelling etc., but for the editing and tagging I always came back to MC.

The real good bit is the ability to create a custom View to allow me to filter Composer> Genre> Composition > Artist so that with a few clicks I can see all the recordings of a specific work and choose from there . On top of that all via my iPad in my armchair what more can I ask. I have peeked at the opposition over the years and nothing comes close to allowing such detailed customisation as MC.

The only lowlight (if I may call it that) is that JRemote seems to be getting minimal attention. I appreciate the developer issue you had but I suspect that JRemote is a major contributor to a lot of peoples usage of MC from a playback point of view rather than the maintenance elements. I for one do all my tagging , management etc of my "Big Machine" at a desk but when it comes to REAL listening I head straight for JRemote on my iPad.

That said keep up the good work and I look forward to 23

Mike
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2017, 05:28:56 am »

Hi,

First, I would like to say thanks to all the people that make JRiver work.
I've been using it for a few years and overall I'm happy with it.
I use it for music and video (200,000 files ish) and overall is a good all in one solution.
But I find there are some issues that they don't seem to get sorted.

I don't know if I am extracting the most out of my HiFi and/or JRiver.
It's setup in a way that it works but due to the complexity of the options (in a positive way),
the lack of information and my lack of knowledge about certain subjects, I'm not sure if it could work better.

I don't find it user friendly: as mentioned before, it requires an awful amount of time to set it up from scratch. So either you dedicate "a bit" of time browsing and reading before setting it up or you are in trouble. Family and friends who I recommended JRiver to, once they look at it they either gave up or I finished setting it up for them. It's time consuming to make it work.
Would not be possible to have a "basic" setting and an "advance " setting?

Tagging classical music is "hard work " :)

JRiver for Synology?

Tagging from Client to Server?

JREMOTE development?

Many thanks

O
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2017, 05:34:01 am »

Tagging classical music is a nightmare but not really an MC issue . The base tagging on the ripped or imported files is inevitably wrong .  ;D

The worst example is putting the Composer in the Artist Tag

At least mc allows easy editing

Mike
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2017, 11:38:13 pm »


That exists, I use convolution for every separate channel in my system.


How are you applying a different convolution for every channel in JRiver?
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #78 on: May 01, 2017, 01:06:51 am »

How are you applying a different convolution for every channel in JRiver?
Using a cfg file - https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Convolution#Using_the_Filter_in_Media_Center
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2017, 11:10:35 pm »

With only a couple of months before release, where can I find information about the new features in v23?

I've used JRiver for several years. It plays music well.

However, if I put my user hat on, JRiver is a Swiss Army knife for multimedia. As a user experience it is less than impressive since it is more of an engineer's dream.

Features like library management are so involved I don't bother and use iTunes for management.

I would never recommend it to anyone who wanted to use it on a casual basis.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #80 on: May 11, 2017, 05:22:54 am »

However, if I put my user hat on, JRiver is a Swiss Army knife for multimedia. As a user experience it is less than impressive since it is more of an engineer's dream.

Features like library management are so involved I don't bother and use iTunes for management.

I would say the opposite. One of the main reasons for using JRiver is the library management. so there I have just proved that the user base has quite wide desires. As for the Swiss army knife metaphore, that was a good one! And similar to the Swiss army knife, I use the main knife blade and the Phillips screw driver mainly, the tooth pick and the rest is usually left untouched. And I could wish they spent more time improving the knife blade rather than the wine bottle opener, but there are a lot of poeple that like their glass of red also, so I accept that.

I would never recommend it to anyone who wanted to use it on a casual basis.

I agree. I would not recommend it to an unskilled computer person or to anyone that do not have a quite high interest in using computers in general. But I would never recommend Plex either (to take one example). My experience with computer based media management and playback is that is requires a minimum skill level and interest, regardless of which application you choose. Some degree of troubleshooting is necessary from time to time.
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« Reply #81 on: May 26, 2017, 07:57:46 pm »

I've upgraded every year since MC18, and just bought master MC23. I'm an audiophile, and that's my priority. I use it for audio only, but aspire to do more. What really holds me back is the complexity and IMO still very fragmented docs. You've done some good things for beginners, but why not do that for intermediate users? I like the how to/walk/thru idea.

I wish you'd raise the price by $10 and put all of that into docs and ease of use. Your kidding yourselves if you think this isn't holding you back. I have no idea how to use the browser, and finding out how is too hard for me to bother. I hate posting simple questions to the forum when I should be able to easily look them up.

Please keep audiophiles in mind as you go. I've noticed some welcome improvement, but more is needed. I'm on mac now but will switch soon to windows where I have more options and better sound. I also want lossless streaming REALLY bad. If I find that I like end to end MQA, once I buy an MQA DAC in <12 mo, then that will be another imperative. Tidal baby. Full SoX support is highly desired as well.

I'd love to try to replace my dvr and prepro with MC, but fear of complexity and bugs has me too scared to even try. I've played with video files, but find VLC to be much snappier when searching thru large files so I've stuck with that.

IoT is huge, and I think you should keep working on that. Having something like MC between open source and proprietary IoT could be awesome. Please keep energy efficiency in mind too. In my vision, there would only be one low power device always listening that would wake up anything else that was needed. Maybe that's obvious, but I find that many/most don't really care about power use.

Also work on remotes. Wish jremote could do more, like toggle loudness and dsp settings. Is there a market for MC to serve as some kind of affordable remote control solution for the whole HT system? Like Control4 without having to pay hundreds for every little system change. This lack of PC and IR remote integration is a major impediment to others using my lovely system. They are Terrified!

Thanks for all your hard work, for asking and for listening.
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #82 on: May 26, 2017, 08:13:25 pm »

If I find that I like end to end MQA, once I buy an MQA DAC in <12 mo, then that will be another imperative. Tidal baby. Full SoX support is highly desired as well.

MQA support and Tidal integration will likely never happen. Topics on the forums go into the details about this (which can be found by searching the forums). Also I believe the developers have no plans to integrate full SoX into MC - they're only interested in the resampler library (discussions about this can probably be found by searching the forums too).
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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #83 on: May 27, 2017, 06:26:57 am »

I'm on mac now but will switch soon to windows where I have more options and better sound.

MC for Windows has a *few* more features than MC for Mac, but nothing that "just an audiophile" would care about.  I would not think you would notice any kind of sonic improvement by switching to the Windows version of MC.  MC for Mac should sound the same with the same DAC.

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MC already has SoX support.  Unless you are lobbying (like a few other people) for adjustable parameters?

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Re: How are we doing, eh?
« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2017, 03:53:51 pm »

I also think that voice control apps, like House Band, are important.

Definitely integrate with voice control apps, and even better would be for JRiver to move digital assistant support in-house instead of relying on House Band.

Music playback is increasing moving to digital assistant hardware like Amazon Alexa and Apple's new HomePod. It's just so much easier to control sitting on the couch. It will be hard for Media Center to compete if it does not offer the same ease of control.
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