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Feature Request/ Integrating HQ player as a playback option
tboooe:
--- Quote from: JimH on March 01, 2018, 12:10:14 pm ---Please explain why you think it's better. It's pretty hard to improve on perfect quality audio unless you start to manipulate the sound. Is that what you want? Maybe DSP Studio would give you options.
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Without getting into a "bit perfect" debate, lets just say I prefer the playback options and network that HQ Player allows with a remote Network Audio Adapter (NAA).
JimH:
OK. So bit perfect isn't perfect? OK.
Playback via network has been part of the MC eco-system for a decade. Are you suggesting that the size of the software makes a quality difference in the audio?
Or do you want an assortment of filters to play with?
I'm interested in details. You may not get agreement, but I'm listening.
tboooe:
--- Quote from: JimH on March 01, 2018, 12:26:02 pm ---OK. So bit perfect isn't perfect? OK.
Playback via network has been part of the MC eco-system for a decade. Are you suggesting that the size of the software makes a quality difference in the audio?
Or do you want an assortment of filters to play with?
I'm interested in details. You may not get agreement, but I'm listening.
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Thank you for being willing to at least listen. I really appreciate that.
I dont know what you meant by "size of the software" but yes, many folks like the assortment of modulators and filters HQ Player has, especially for converting PCM to DSD64/128/256/512. To a lesser degree, being able to physically separate the pc running HQ Player and the NAA end point on the network has both set up and sound quality benefit. I think at the end of the day, its about options.
JimH:
I assume you must know that MC can be used in a client/server mode. The Media Network topic on our wiki has information about it.
So is it accurate to say that you do want to manipulate the sound? Filters do that, correct?
Have you thoroughly explored DSP Studio?
MC offers a lot of different choices for conversion. Are there any you lack?
dtc:
HQPlayer is essentially takes a lot of the upsampling technology found in modern day DACs and does it on the PC. This provides far more flexibility than any one DAC can currently provide. Here is a list of some of the options, from their web page.
Resampling filters:
12 linear phase
7 minimum phase
3 impulse optimal
2 closed form
Dithers and noise-shapers:
4 dithers
4 noise shapers
Delta-Sigma conversion:
8 modulators
21 oversampling filters (64x - 1024x)
Direct rate conversions
Digital volume control
Convolution engine
Routing and mixing
These are options that a lot of audiophiles want to experiment with. They various options have various subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) differences. The options are quite different than the typical DSPs in MC.
It would not be practical for JRiver to try to duplicate the wide range of options that are implemented in HQPlayer. Roon ran into the same issues and built an interface between Roon and HQPlayer. A large number of Roon users use it in this way. They do this because the HQPlayer user interface is not very good. Playback is their strength, not the UI. MC has a big following because of its database and UI capabilities. Marrying it to the HQPlayer would provide an option for people who are really interested in the playback capability but want to continue to use the MC database and interface.
Think of HQPlayer as a extremely flexible DAC implementation in software. It has a pretty large following. Using MC as a front end might have a pretty good following, although Roon has established a pretty strong presence in that market.
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