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[pschelbert]

It is particular useful for classical and multichannel.

The multichannel files I have are DVD-A format, PCM 24/96kHz. The standard format for multichannel, old but still in my opinion right. I play these files perfectly in JRiver (flac format).
I have no multichannel DSD.

While I personally will not use DSD, it its there it does not hurt. Just it should not take all efforts away form other more important development like streaming.

Just a note about snake oil: there are DAC vendors who increase the playback-level for DSD about 1.5-2dB. And "surprise", DSD sounds better (the old HiFi salesman trick). So check for equal level in a ABX comparison.

[kr4]

The multichannel files I have are DVD-A format, PCM 24/96kHz. The standard format for multichannel, old but still in my opinion right. I play these files perfectly in JRiver (flac format).
I have no multichannel DSD.

I suspect that you are not a big fan of classical music because the SACD offers a much, much greater breath of repertoire than DVD-A or any other multichannel format.  That is why it is so important to many, but not all, of us.

Just it should not take all efforts away form other more important development like streaming.

Some of us don't care much about streaming, fwiw.

[TheShoe]

I have so many DSDs ripped to DSF and continue to buy SACDs.

[pschelbert]

I hear a lot of classic music on CD, have no SACD. As in the past I did not buy prorietary format (Sony) only standards Red Book.

However how do you rip SACD multichannel?
How to play directly SACD form a computer (with JRiver, multichannel DAC PCM)

The ones I play are multichannel flac, works great.

Where do you buy now multichannel flac? Seems the industry is not yet there as in qobuz and others there is no way to search for multichannel.

[Awesome Donkey]

However how do you rip SACD multichannel?

With an older/specific model PS3 that's been jailbroken or specific SACD players that can run modded firmware, if I recall correctly. You can't pop a SACD in a PC and rip it though (if it's a hybrid SACD/CD disc with a redbook CD layer, you can rip that part of the disc).

How to play directly SACD form a computer (with JRiver, multichannel DAC PCM)

Just play the file in MC, as MC will automatically convert DSD to PCM on-the-fly. If you have a DSD-capable DAC, you can enable DSD bitstreaming.

[kr4]

I hear a lot of classic music on CD, have no SACD. As in the past I did not buy prorietary format (Sony) only standards Red Book.

They are both standards.  For DSD, see http://read.pudn.com/downloads98/doc/comm/401153/14496/ISO_IEC_14496-3%20Part%203%20Audio/C036083E_SUB1.PDF

However how do you rip SACD multichannel?

It can be done with a PS3, Oppo 103/105, some Sony Players, some Pioneer players, etc.  You can Google "Ripping SACDs" and/or look it up on ComputerAudiophile.com.  I have written a brief summary of the easiest way and it will appear in my next column.
 

How to play directly SACD form a computer (with JRiver, multichannel DAC PCM)

Yes but, in addition to some proprietary music servers, ROON, Audirvana, foobar, HQPlayer, etc. work with multichannel DACs (PCM or DSD) or a great number of prepros and AVRs via HDMI.

The ones I play are multichannel flac, works great.

Yup.  Same for DSD.

Where do you buy now multichannel flac? Seems the industry is not yet there as in qobuz and others there is no way to search for multichannel.

I get them from manufacturers' websites (e.g., Pentatone, eClassical) or  from NativeDSD.com

[pschelbert]

With an older/specific model PS3 that's been jailbroken or specific SACD players that can run modded firmware, if I recall correctly. You can't pop a SACD in a PC and rip it though (if it's a hybrid SACD/CD disc with a redbook CD layer, you can rip that part of the disc).

Just play the file in MC, as MC will automatically convert DSD to PCM on-the-fly. If you have a DSD-capable DAC, you can enable DSD bitstreaming.

Thanks for the info.
I actuallyl would like to rip and convert to not more than 24/96kHz.

[pschelbert]

They are both standards.  For DSD, see http://read.pudn.com/downloads98/doc/comm/401153/14496/ISO_IEC_14496-3%20Part%203%20Audio/C036083E_SUB1.PDF
It can be done with a PS3, Oppo 103/105, some Sony Players, some Pioneer players, etc.  You can Google "Ripping SACDs" and/or look it up on ComputerAudiophile.com.  I have written a brief summary of the easiest way and it will appear in my next column.
 Yes but, in addition to some proprietary music servers, ROON, Audirvana, foobar, HQPlayer, etc. work with multichannel DACs (PCM or DSD) or a great number of prepros and AVRs via HDMI.
Yup.  Same for DSD.
 I get them from manufacturers' websites (e.g., Pentatone, eClassical) or  from NativeDSD.com

Thanks , great info.
So there are no coumpter drivers (CD, DVD, BlueRay) known to work?

Oppo is going out of business hope the other do not..

Pentatone, eClassical) or  from NativeDSD.com:
Pentatone and eClassical do not allow for search of multichannel (or I did not found it).

NativeDSD.com: great, there is the selection of formats, DXD multichannel is my choice! I have then just to downsample to 24/96kHz. Would be nice to have it just right at 24/96 and for  lower price = less resolution

Are there some other multichannel sources known?

[pschelbert]

on  Native.DSD there are 103 albums in multichannel DXD, zero albums on blues for example.

1009 albums in multichannel DSD but mostly restriced to classic.

Looks like the music industry does not need any money to make...

[Fitzcaraldo215]

Thanks , great info.
So there are no coumpter drivers (CD, DVD, BlueRay) known to work?

Oppo is going out of business hope the other do not..

Pentatone, eClassical) or  from NativeDSD.com:
Pentatone and eClassical do not allow for search of multichannel (or I did not found it).

NativeDSD.com: great, there is the selection of formats, DXD multichannel is my choice! I have then just to downsample to 24/96kHz. Would be nice to have it just right at 24/96 and for  lower price = less resolution

Are there some other multichannel sources known?

Check out the following site:

https://www.hraudio.net/search.php

It attemps to list all hirez albums, stereo and Mch, though some older ones may be OOP.

You can search for all Mch or narrow it by format.  You can also search by genre, artist, composer, etc.

There are no commonly available SACD drives for PCs, but there are for BD and DVD.
SACD's DRM was one of the toughest to crack, since it also relies on the special drive hardware. 

As Kal explained, SACDs are the most significant source of Mch music.  They can be ripped per the threads at CA using certain very specific makes and models of SACD players together with ripping freeware/firmware.

Kal and I find it best to rip SACD to unlocked DSF files, which are fully taggable in JR.  There is no need to convert the files from DSF, saving time and effort in ripping.  They can be played with on the fly conversion to any PCM sampling rate you wish or bitstreamed directly into a DSD-capable DAC.  Though my DAC handles DSD, I prefer listening to it converted to 176k PCM and applying speaker distance correction, bass management and Dirac Room EQ, none of which can be done when bitstreaming DSD.

[kr4]

Oppo is going out of business hope the other do not..

Not really.  They are concentrating on other products but promise to continue support for the players.  However, it really doesn't matter because the only ripping-compatible models were already discontinued.  Indeed, the used market is the best source for SACD rippers.  I have read about any number of folks buying used Sonys for less than $50 for this purpose and I have a pair of already-configured PS3s that I would love to sell cheap!

[pschelbert]

okay, what will be the future?

I excpect to have multichannel files available in digital format, not on physical media (SACD, Blueray) with all the hassles involved.

Seems to be exotic, not much selection.

[pschelbert]

Check out the following site:

https://www.hraudio.net/search.php

Thanks for the tip

[kr4]

Seems to be exotic, not much selection.

That is a function of one's perspective.

[michael123]

The multichannel files I have are DVD-A format, PCM 24/96kHz. The standard format for multichannel, old but still in my opinion right. I play these files perfectly in JRiver (flac format).
I have no multichannel DSD.

While I personally will not use DSD, it its there it does not hurt. Just it should not take all efforts away form other more important development like streaming.

Just a note about snake oil: there are DAC vendors who increase the playback-level for DSD about 1.5-2dB. And "surprise", DSD sounds better (the old HiFi salesman trick). So check for equal level in a ABX comparison.

1) DVD-Audio is dead long, long ago. SACD titles are continuing to be released to this day

2) Volume on SACD is actually lower by 6 dBs, so the player, not the DAC should increase level a bit. Some have settings for that in the menus

[RD James]

2) Volume on SACD is actually lower by 6 dBs, so the player, not the DAC should increase level a bit. Some have settings for that in the menus

It's the DAC which should be doing that, not the player.
Boosting the volume of DSD to PCM conversions in the player leads to clipping.
The option is available in Media Center but it should never be used. Stick to Volume Leveling instead.

[TheShoe]

With an older/specific model PS3 that's been jailbroken or specific SACD players that can run modded firmware, if I recall correctly. You can't pop a SACD in a PC and rip it though (if it's a hybrid SACD/CD disc with a redbook CD layer, you can rip that part of the disc).

Just play the file in MC, as MC will automatically convert DSD to PCM on-the-fly. If you have a DSD-capable DAC, you can enable DSD bitstreaming.

There are several BD players that will rip SACD.  They must have a specific version of the Mediatek chipset.  I have two - Oppo BDP 105 and a backup Pioneer.  Both rip SACD bit-perfect and I've backed them all up as ISOs.

Same for UHD - there are several "friendly" BDXL drives and even some official drives for the supporting ripping software.  I have several of those as well.

Happy reading:

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/28569-sacd-ripping-using-an-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true/

[Awesome Donkey]

Indeed, the used market is the best source for SACD rippers.  I have read about any number of folks buying used Sonys for less than $50 for this purpose and I have a pair of already-configured PS3s that I would love to sell cheap!

Huh, you can get a used SACD player for under $50 or used PS3 cheap with both capable of ripping SACDs? I admit I'm mildly interested in that.

[dtc]

You can rip SACDs with certain Oppo, Pioneer, Cambridge Audio and Sony SACD players. The process takes advantage of a vulnerability in 2 specific Mediatek chips. Here are the details. It is pretty straightforward, although the thread is ridiculously long.

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/28569-sacd-ripping-using-an-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true/?tab=comments#comment-559449

Using Playstations requires certain very early models with early firmware versions. There are not many of those floating around, except from people who have updated to the new SACD player method.

[Awesome Donkey]

That's a long thread to go through, but I'm looking for the tl;dr version with links to purchase a SACD player that can rip SACDs for under $50.

[dtc]

That's a long thread to go through, but I'm looking for the tl;dr version with links to purchase a SACD player that can rip SACDs for under $50.

Read the update edits to the first post.  The Sony and Pioneer players are the cheap ones, but not sure you will find them for $50. Once people know they can be used for SACD ripping, the prices go up.

EDIT:  Looks like there are still Sony BX510's and S5100's and s590's on ebay at good prices. You might want to search the thread for info on them.

[kr4]

You can rip SACDs with certain Oppo, Pioneer, Cambridge Audio and Sony SACD players. The process takes advantage of a vulnerability in 2 specific Mediatek chips. Here are the details. It is pretty straightforward, although the thread is ridiculously long.

https://www.computeraudiophile.com/forums/topic/28569-sacd-ripping-using-an-oppo-or-pioneer-yes-its-true/?tab=comments#comment-559449

Yes.  The process with the PS3, Oppo, Pioneer and CA players is pretty straight-forward if you use Sonore's ISO2DSD GUI application.  Works on Mac or PC.  The process with the Sony players is a little more complex but not formidable.  Once you have mastered it, you can just chunk them one after another.

Using Playstations requires certain very early models with early firmware versions. There are not many of those floating around, except from people who have updated to the new SACD player method.

I am one of those and will let my PS3s go very cheaply but only for NYC pickup.

[Fitzcaraldo215]

Huh, you can get a used SACD player for under $50 or used PS3 cheap with both capable of ripping SACDs? I admit I'm mildly interested in that.

Forget the PS3. It was the first method for ripping SACD, but only with specific early models that were not upgraded in their OS to specically block that. Plus, PS3s are just not reliable.   It is much easier with some newer Oppo, Sony, Pioneer, and some Oppo spin offs, like Cambridge.  But, only certain specific older models will allow the firmware changes necessary.  So, it is still something of a tricky cat/mouse game.

[kr4]

Forget the PS3. It was the first method for ripping SACD, but only with specific early models that were not upgraded in their OS to specically block that. Plus, PS3s are just not reliable.   It is much easier with some newer Oppo, Sony, Pioneer, and some Oppo spin offs, like Cambridge.  But, only certain specific older models will allow the firmware changes necessary.  So, it is still something of a tricky cat/mouse game.

Thanks, Carl.   I am offering a pair of PS3s that are completely configured to do the job reliably and cheaply and not very differently than with the newer players.  Can I vouch for their indefinite future performance?  Nope but there are no guarantees with any of the used players, either.

[Fitzcaraldo215]

Thanks, Carl.   I am offering a pair of PS3s that are completely configured to do the job reliably and cheaply and not very differently than with the newer players.  Can I vouch for their indefinite future performance?  Nope but there are no guarantees with any of the used players, either.

Whoops.  Sorry, Kal.  I didn't mean to step on your toes.  As we both know, the PS3 can work well.  I have ripped thousands of albums that way.  And, yours are obviously fully compatible with SACD ripping.  Others available via eBay, etc. are hit or miss, mostly miss, and it is confusing because of all the models, OS upgrade status, etc.  Plus, PS3 setup for SACD ripping is more complex than the newer route via players.  But, yours obviously, are all set up, ready to go.  They should be of considerable value to someone.

[TheShoe]

suggest the Oppo BDP-103 or 105, though they can be hard to find now and at any reasonable price.

The Pioneer Elite BDP 80-FD I picked up new for < $200 on Amazon and it too rips SACD.  It's my "backup" unit in case my Oppo ever fails.

Note that getting the software setup correctly on the USB stick can be a bit tricky - typically in how you format the stick.  That thread a couple of us referenced is a good source and unfortunately tl;dr won't work there

[bmoura]

I suspect that you are not a big fan of classical music because the SACD offers a much, much greater breath of repertoire than DVD-A or any other multichannel format.  That is why it is so important to many, but not all, of us.
  Some of us don't care much about streaming, fwiw.

Very true here. 
Interested in downloads, not streaming.

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