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F Ribeiro:

--- Quote from: RayG on October 07, 2018, 06:08:46 am ---I use the Unified Remote Full app to power down my media server mac when I'm not using it.

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Thanks for the advice.

Nevertheless, if they can do it, why not JRiver? After all, there is already an option on JRemote.
I don’t want another app or service running on the Mac Mini. Unified Remote needs one to work.

blgentry:
It's my opinion that leaving computers on is better in all ways.  I've been in IT for more than 20 years.  But let's just call it my opinion, as I can see that debating this probably won't help anyone, as minds already seem to be made up, no matter what I say.

Jim is a huge believer in shutting things down, so maybe he will actually get the MC team to put effort into making sleep and power down work in a friendly way with MC.  As it stands right now, sleep, shutdown, and wake are... let's call their behavior less than optimal.

On the other hand you are now saying you don't like the Mac platform.  Would MC and JRemote doing sleep/shutdown/wake change your opinion at all?  I always wonder why people say they don't like Mac... except when I find out they've used Windows for 20 years and want Mac to behave like Windows.  They behave differently on purpose.  In many cases, a simple change in approach will yield you excellent results with the Mac.  It's just a matter of thinking about it a little differently.

Brian.

JimH:
Brian,
I'm not trying to debate it.  I'm just curious if you have data that confirms your belief. 

I don't actually shut machines down.  I use sleep all the time on most machines I use.  I have them set to sleep after x minutes of inactivity, so I don't have to remember to do it.  I don't think that's unusual now.

Jim

blgentry:

--- Quote from: JimH on October 07, 2018, 08:21:54 am ---I'm not trying to debate it.  I'm just curious if you have data that confirms your belief. 

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It's all anecdotal.  Meaning my data is all from my own experience and the experience of my colleauges over the years.  The first time that you shut off a server, that's running just fine, and then turn it back on and it doesn't work, it makes you wonder what just happened.  You disturbed a system that was just fine and something in the shut down or power up process broke something.  That something is nearly always hardware.  So powering the system off killed it.  It shortened it's life.

Sleep does a similar operation, but not the same.  I don't have any kind of experience with sleep versus no sleep, but my gut feeling is that the powering down of hard drives is the worst part of this and is probably not good for their overall life.  Despite that, I have numerous external drive enclosures that automatically power down drives after a time out and I have not defeated this behavior:  I just let it happen.

Could I be just completely and totally wrong about this?  Sure.  Maybe my knowledge on this is old and/or compartmentalized.  I'll have to ask a few more colleagues what they think and consider their opinions also.

Brian.

JimH:
By data, I meant this sort of study:

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-stats-for-q1-2018/

I agree that power cycling long-running servers always makes me nervous.  We've had some similar experiences.

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