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Playing Nows Delete for Unknown Reason
RoderickGI:
--- Quote from: JimH on July 30, 2020, 07:25:13 am ---It's possible it could happen if the files are completely unavailable.
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Yes. If the NAS was powering down completely, or took a very long time to wake and spin up drives.
Although I just tested by adding files to Playing Now, then renaming a couple of files outside MC and starting playback. MC just skipped the renamed files. Maybe if the "Remove files from Playing Now after they are played" setting was checked... although if I turn that on I get the "Something went wrong with playback. File not found" message when MC gets to it.
I can't think of anything else that would result in what dichotomous1 has reported.
RoderickGI:
--- Quote from: dichotomous1 on July 29, 2020, 11:39:01 pm ---I happened to be sitting at the comp when it just occurred. Attached is the last 4 pages of the log. Full log avail if needed.
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Those aren't any use. You need to post the full log file MC produces. The whole ZIP file. Set a maximum size of the log in MC if you need to, and if it is too big to post on the forum, upload it to Google Drive or similar and share a link to the file.
When you capture another event, provide the name of the last file played as well, so it can be quickly found in the log.
dichotomous1:
I have the full log. It is too large to attach. Google, no thank you.
Both the full log from yesterday and the log from when it occurred last week are here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6b3r0jffp1tpgho/MCLog72220.txt?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tixw07bdqwb5mfx/MCLog72920.txt?dl=0
As for the NAS spin-down theory or even renaming tracks, should that cause the entire list of Playing Nows to disappear ? The only item that remains is the last song played.
Also, the view changes. The view was of a specific Zone. When whatever it is occurs, playback stops (not mid track) and the view switches to Player, with the last song played being the only track listed. Aside from when this hiccup, my Playing Now list for each zone has always remained saved and populated, even if I quit MC and reopen. This is also the case when MC has encountered a playback error. The full list remains though playback has stopped.
But again, unless theres a technical issue, I play music via MC pretty much all day, every day and this hiccup does not occur every day. I would assume if spin-down was the problem, that should occur several times daily.
The timing of the hiccup is usually late afternoon. I've not noticed if there is a glaring consistency. The behavior feels as if MC or one of the other parts of the system were updated mid playback. I'm curious if this doesn't have something to do with my router or the zone. I'm playing to a zone / Music Cast on a Yamaha Amp. This amp/zone is usually the lead in a Music Cast link with 3 to 4 amp/zone followers.
RoderickGI:
Ah. When a Zone becomes unavailable MC stops playback and switches to the default Player Zone.
Playing Now lists are Zone specific. So if MC switches Zones, it looks like Playing Now has emptied.
Is the Music Cast Zone still visible in MC when this happens?
Immediately after this happens, are you able to switch back to the Music Cast Zone? If so, is the Playing Now list there? I wouldn't expect it to be if the Zone vanished long enough for MC to notice and switch to the Player Zone.
I don't have a Yamaha Amp or use Music Cast, so I don't know exactly how it works or what Music Cast Link does, though I can guess. But it sounds like the Amp is doing something in the afternoons. Maybe checking for a firmware update? Or does someone try to take control of it with its Remote Control? Or does some other process on the network access the Amp around the time it happens?
See if you can reproduce the problem by playing a list of tracks to the Music Cast Zone and then powering down the Amp completely. Pull the plug. MC will "hang on" to the Zone for a time, but will eventually decide it has gone and switch to the Player Zone. I wouldn't expect it to show the last played track in the Player Zone though.
I had a quick look at one of the logs, but need more information to try to isolate the cause.
What is the name of the Music Cast Zone in MC that you play to?
What is the Zone ID and Zone Index of the Music Cast Zone? You can see those by hovering over the Zone in MC.
What was the last file played that remains in Playing Now when this happens in one of these logs, or a new log if you don't know for these two?
dichotomous1:
Sorry for the delayed response, I could swear I had responded to this a couple of weeks ago. Since then I've been dealing with a little local wildfire issue which has now settled a bit.
When I looked into this last, my impression was there was something going on with my NAS, restarting or updating. But something happened the other day that makes me think otherwise.
Last week, while frantically grabbing things and stuffing them in bags for evacuation, I disconnected my NAS. (Later, I decided not to evacuate) About a week later I opened MC on my iMac, selected the zone for playback, "Media Room" (same zone that had last played to, and pretty much the zone I always play to. The full list of tracks in Playing Now for that zone was still there, as it was last played. I double clicked the first listed track and I got an error message of unable to locate file. Then I realized I hadn't reconnected the NAS. So this action would, in theory, be the same as the NAS updating, spinning down, or updating? Either way, the NAS was offline. but this time, the Playing Now list was all still intact. So whatever the issue is, its not caused by the NAS being offline.
I pretty much always play to the Music Cast zone named Media Room (currently device ID:10014 index 9)
Please excuse if this is TMI, but in case something else is odd, I'm giving a every detail.
Is it possible this issue has something to do with my home router and dynamic DNS or the addresses being reassigned by the router? Just a feeling, but honestly level technicality th is beyond my understanding. I have no idea when the addresses are reassigned nor what triggers it. Nor the method the iOS Music Cast app uses to keep track of the zones if they use changing addresses, but its pretty much always worked flawlessly. What I do not know is how the audio files are handled via Music Cast. One item of note: If I select and play a DSD track via to a group of zones linked zones linked within the Music Cast app, playback is silent in the zones where the dedicated amp does not have the capacity to play DSD files. But when I play the same track via MC pointed at the primary zone (Media Room) linked as before to the group via the Music Cast iOS app, the audio plays in all zones. I assume due to the PCM conversion being applied. So I expected the MC iMac server would be listed as the source, but the NAS is listed as the source. Is that because the original file is stored there? Ever since getting the Yamaha amps and utilizing a home LAN system, Audio Path lists MC isn't the audio engine. Only when I listen to audio via my MacBook Pro and headphones.
My usual procedure to play audio here at home is using the iOS Music Cast app, turn on the amps, select Media Room as the primary zone (amp), then link additional zones (amps) to play audio in sync around the house. Each zone on the home has a dedicated Yamaha amp. I use the Music Cast app to control the volume of the linked group. Track selection and playback via MC on my iMAC desktop and sometimes with the iOS remote app. I'm unclear exactly as to what device is doing the actul "playing". If I try to skip to the next track via the Music Cast app, playback stops. So I stick to using the MC or remote iOS interface to play, skip tracks etc. MC on the iMac is set up as a server, files being converted to 24bit PCM with some DSP effects applied. When I play tracks with the MC app, to any of the available zones that appear in the side menu other than Player, the Spectrum Analyzer graphics on the MC skin view doappear (which is a bummer, I enjoy them) Audio Path states its not using the Driver Audiio engine. One other slightly odd behavior is if I were to make any changes to the Network Server settings within MC, Playback stops about 10 seconds after I close the settings window. Even if I make no changes and only view the settings, playback stops 10 seconds later. Even if I Cancel out of the settings window, playback stoops 10 seconds later. Basically overriding playback continuation as opposed to "changes are applied on restart" or "when playback is stopped"
Hopefully at least some this makes sense. It's gotten late here and I've not slept well since the fires started, so I gotta wrap it up for now.
Thanks J
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