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The infamous DSD-click and DSF-FLAC conversion and transcoding

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AGAWA:
this a workaround only.
SACD players do not exhibit this "infamous click".
They simply mute before, in-between and after.
This could be implemented in JRiver , but I understand this is not a top priority.

HandLogger:

--- Quote from: AGAWA on August 01, 2021, 03:42:11 am ---this a workaround only.
SACD players do not exhibit this "infamous click".
They simply mute before, in-between and after.
This could be implemented in JRiver , but I understand this is not a top priority.

--- End quote ---

I appreciate the response, AGAWA, but I'm on the verge of using Sonore ISO2DVD to process our SACDs -- both stereo and multichannel -- to digital files...and I'm not sure how best to go about doing it.  We had some trouble getting the Sonore interface to work with our Oppo 105D, but, when it actually worked, we ended up with DSF files: not ISO. 

So the question is: Is it better to go directly to individual DSF files or, with a bit more effort, to go to one big ISO image file to [something else] to lossless FLAC? 

One thing's for sure, I don't want to do what some of these folks did and rip all of physical media to something that "pops."  I tend to listen to my music at very high levels, so popping or clicking sounds like something that could possibly damage our speakers.  In other words, it sounds an awful lot like clipping to me. 

Thanks again  :) 

MikeyFresh:

--- Quote from: AGAWA on August 01, 2021, 03:42:11 am ---this a workaround only.
SACD players do not exhibit this "infamous click".
They simply mute before, in-between and after.
This could be implemented in JRiver , but I understand this is not a top priority.

--- End quote ---

The same is true for playback of .dsf files through a DAC, whether or not one hears any click in between tracks is a function of the playback software and it's settings, and the specific DAC's firmware. Many hear no tick or pop at all, their player software and DAC combo is properly muting and unmuting briefly in between tracks.

Some people using JRiver hear a small tick or click in between tracks with their DAC, while others do not. The same is true for Roon, or Audirvana. It really depends on the particular DAC in use.

MikeyFresh:

--- Quote from: HandLogger on August 01, 2021, 02:12:11 pm ---I appreciate the response, AGAWA, but I'm on the verge of using Sonore ISO2DVD to process our SACDs -- both stereo and multichannel -- to digital files...and I'm not sure how best to go about doing it.  We had some trouble getting the Sonore interface to work with our Oppo 105D, but, when it actually worked, we ended up with DSF files: not ISO. 

So the question is: Is it better to go directly to individual DSF files or, with a bit more effort, to go to one big ISO image file to [something else] to lossless FLAC? 

One thing's for sure, I don't want to do what some of these folks did and rip all of physical media to something that "pops."  I tend to listen to my music at very high levels, so popping or clicking sounds like something that could possibly damage our speakers.  In other words, it sounds an awful lot like clipping to me. 

Thanks again  :)

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That isn't really the question. The question is if you do a test rip to .dsf and play it back over your particular combination of player software and DAC, do you hear any click in between tracks? Further, if you don't hear it in between .dsf tracks, do you hear it if you then switch to play a PCM file? Those are the scenarios you should test, you might find you have no issue at all and this isn't a question of making the right choice upfront otherwise it's some big mistake.

You can then explore the player software settings to see if they can be altered to mitigate any potential click sound, and you can also choose to use the state-of-the-art SACDExtractGUI instead of Sonore's ISO2DSD, as the former is a superior software that allows for additional functions and settings such as padding-less DSF which might also help in mitigating the possibility of hearing any pop/click, depending on your player software and DAC combination.

There isn't any one size fits all answer to this question, it depends, and requires a bit of testing on your end to decide what is the best thing to do for your given setup.

I use JRiver as a DLNA/UPnP server, and either a Sonore microRendu, or Raspberry Pi/Moode endpoints, and there is no pop/click on .dsf track transitions with my DAC, but your mileage may vary, you have to test it and also check to see if your DAC potentially has a firmware update available that can help address that issue, iFi for one has had more than one firmware update over the years attempting to fix that problem with their DACs.

Lastly, if you elect to keep an ISO, and you are using software that can play an ISO (JRiver can), then there is no reason why you'd have to convert those to PCM in the form of FLAC files, I'm not sure where you got the idea that iso need to be converted to FLAC, they do not so long as your player software will actually play an ISO. The only limitation with ISOs is you can't append different metadata or album art to an ISO file like you can with DSF, though that too can sometimes be handled in the player software instead of embedding it in the file.

Awesome Donkey:
If you convert DSD files (SACD ISO being split, DSF files, etc.) to PCM files (e.g. FLAC files), there is a chance you'll indeed encounter the issue with pops at track transitions, You might need to experiment with a couple albums (I suggest using an album where all the tracks segue into each other, e.g. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon or Wish You Were Here albums) to test whether or not it happens for you.

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