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gtimbers

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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #100 on: March 10, 2021, 01:53:06 pm »

I have DSP studio set to 48k - still no audio.  I also tried 44.1k.  The lower sample rate is not an issue for me, I just need to get audio!
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #101 on: March 10, 2021, 02:02:19 pm »

I have DSP studio set to 48k - still no audio.  I also tried 44.1k.  The lower sample rate is not an issue for me, I just need to get audio!
Do you have integer mode or exclusive mode turned on?
If so turn them off.
If it still doesn't work, turn on logging and post a log here.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2021, 07:17:14 pm »

I turned them both off and I now have sound over HDMI.  Thank you for yuour help.  This is just an office system so I don't need the ultimate performance.  I have a Baetis media server which runs on Windows 10 for my main stuff.  It outputs AES/EBU, SPDIF, USB and HDMI of which AES/EBU is clearly the winner in my system.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2021, 08:01:58 pm »

I turned them both off and I now have sound over HDMI.  Thank you for yuour help.  This is just an office system so I don't need the ultimate performance.  I have a Baetis media server which runs on Windows 10 for my main stuff.  It outputs AES/EBU, SPDIF, USB and HDMI of which AES/EBU is clearly the winner in my system.
Good to hear you got it going!
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #104 on: March 11, 2021, 05:34:02 am »

Yep, I'd say Jim has the right idea here. The problem isn't a JRiver Media Center problem at all, but a hardware limitation with the M1 Apple Silicon SoC with HDMI.

You should probably stop giving advice about Macs.

Brian.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #105 on: March 11, 2021, 05:45:46 am »

You should probably stop giving advice about Macs.

To be fair, I wasn't wrong. The Apple Silicon M1 over HDMI is seemingly hardware/chipset limited to only 48 kHz, and no fix from Apple has been released so it's been assumed it's a hardware limitation and that they can't fix it. The issue here was ultimately caused by exclusive mode or integer mode.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #106 on: March 11, 2021, 08:24:02 am »

Yes, but your advice was essentially "stop trying, the M1 is broken.  Sorry."  Which is incorrect.

You seem to have a strong bias against Macs.

I don't mean any offense.  In fact, I have been very complimentary of your work in support of MC for Linux.  I think that was (and still is) excellent work.

I'm just puzzled as to why you consistently give negative advice about MC on a Mac.  Especially since you don't own any kind of Mac.

Brian.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #107 on: March 11, 2021, 09:54:36 am »

Yes, but your advice was essentially "stop trying, the M1 is broken.  Sorry."  Which is incorrect.

You seem to have a strong bias against Macs.
I don't think that's the case.  I believe Awesome Donkey uses all three OS's.

Let's try not to make this personal.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #108 on: March 11, 2021, 10:53:17 am »

Well, it's not 'broken' but it's a limitation. Bob has a whole topic about it where from his testing I'm basing my conclusion about the M1's HDMI output being limited to 48 kHz: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,128318.0.html

Especially since you don't own any kind of Mac.

Yes, correct, I don't own any Mac or any Apple product for that matter. And to be perfectly honest I wouldn't willing pay for an Apple product either, not because I hate Apple or hate their products, but because I don't like the idea of paying the Apple tax for something that I could build cheaper which would perform better than any Mac. With that said, I built my own Mac in the form of a Hackintosh, which works and functions perfectly, just like a real Mac.

And before anyone asks or points out the obvious, no, the macOS I run on my Hackintosh isn't hacked or modified in any way - it's vanilla macOS running directly on my PC hardware. Yes, I'm aware Apple doesn't officially support Hackintoshes, and I don't need their support, I can support myself if I run into any issues. Yes, I'm aware that macOS' EULA states that macOS is designed for and supposed to only run on real Macs, but at least with the Intel-based ones, they use the same hardware PCs use which allow it to easily run on a PC. My PC's hardware was purposely chosen for this purpose, as it closely matches the hardware found in a iMac19,1. No, it's not piracy because 1) macOS is publicly available on their servers, which anyone on any OS can directly download for free and 2) Apple doesn't sell macOS anymore, upgrades or otherwise, since I believe Mac OS X Mavericks. However, if you download a macOS-based distro that some shady groups release for download, I would consider that to be piracy since those distros always use modified/hacked/cracked/pirated kexts and third-party apps, yuck! Yes, I know it's against Apple's EULA and I'm breaking that EULA but it's not illegal for your own personal use, so Apple can go pound sand in that regard as Hackintoshes exist in what you could call a grey area. And finally, yes, I know the Hackintosh days are now numbered because of Apple Silicon, but it should still be several years until the last Intel-based Mac's support ends. When that happens, then I'm done with macOS. Until then, I'll use a Hackintosh.

Now, the only way a Hackintosh would be illegal is if you build a Hackintosh and sell it, which several companies like Psystar have tried to do in the past which got shut down pretty quick via Apple's lawyers and lawsuits. If you build a Hackintosh for yourself for your own personal use, that's fine.
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Re: New M1 Mac Mini as HTPC?
« Reply #109 on: March 11, 2021, 03:16:18 pm »

Here's the thing:  Your diagnosis was dead wrong.  Yes, the M1 appears to have a sample rate limitation of 48kHz; I've read the threads.  But that's not what this person's problem was.  I believe you jumped to conclusions simply because of your anti-Apple bias.  It's abundantly clear in your rebuttal that you dislike the company, feel that they overcharge customers, and that you will not be "taken" by Apple. 

To me, it seems to influence the advice you give.  In this very thread you advised someone that the M1 would never work for them with MC.  Before it was released.  Before you had any evidence. 

I don't want to fight.  Again, I actually do respect you.  I just feel this is a weird thing for you where you are offering (often wrong) advice to people, about products you do not own.  Because you hate the company.

I won't bring this up again.  You certainly have received my message.  You can choose to do whatever you want, including totally ignoring me.

Best wishes (and I mean that)

Brian.
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