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Feature Request: Loudness Options (Bass / Treble)
Hendrik:
--- Quote from: stewart_pk on May 11, 2021, 08:00:46 am ---Well the world is our oyster the way I see it.
For example, many audio enthusiasts only want to apply room correction to low frequencies so I see this along the same line.
Aren't you just a little curious to hear what it would sound like? :)
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Seems a bit far fetched to do all this work for a bit of curiousity. :)
stewart_pk:
--- Quote from: Hendrik on May 11, 2021, 09:07:31 am ---Seems a bit far fetched to do all this work for a bit of curiousity. :)
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Applying EQ to higher frequencies can have negative results because of unpredictable room interactions.
Not an issue with headphones as room interactions don't apply.
With JRiver applying EQ via Loudness to higher frequencies there is no consideration of the fact that speakers on and off axis response can vary wildly.
Not so much an issue with bass frequencies as they are far more omni-directional.
There's a reason why room correction software does not work or can be made to not work on higher frequencies.
Take Dirac Live (which JRiver supports via VST) for example the basic version only works to 500Hz (the most important) and the full frequency version can be bandwidth limited with the use of curtains.
Even if one chooses to use Dirac Live full range (like I do) it comes with the benefit that it relies on measurements from multiple positions around the room to make smart decisions about what should and should not be equalized.
Unless I'm mistaken the Fletcher-Munsen curves were based on listeners listening to headphones and not speakers.
newsposter:
there are quite a few one-button "loudness" vst plugins. Here's one
http://wokwave.com/old-plugins/html/wok_loudness_free_vst_plugin.html
stewart_pk:
--- Quote from: newsposter on May 12, 2021, 08:48:13 am ---there are quite a few one-button "loudness" vst plugins. Here's one
http://wokwave.com/old-plugins/html/wok_loudness_free_vst_plugin.html
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Thanks but I don't think this is relevant to this thread.
"The level of high and low frequencies is increased at low listening levels".
ferday:
--- Quote from: stewart_pk on May 12, 2021, 01:58:51 am ---Applying EQ to higher frequencies can have negative results because of unpredictable room interactions.
Not an issue with headphones as room interactions don't apply.
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very true, but the traditional intention of 'loudness' was to increase frequencies outside our peak hearing at lower listening levels so we could hear detail without turning it up
and the fletcher munson curves are not headphone specific; however they were developed using nearfield speakers to minimise room effects, since those are obviously much more difficult to quantify
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