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imeric:
One thing the new S-Curve(aggressive) does really well is handle songs with full volume up until the end of a song (like dance songs).  (Which was the main objective of my ask in the first place)
Not ideal for the "Barracuda" types, but it is a very good trade-off.

However this is done at the expense of typical "studio" fadeouts which can last from 4 up to 10 seconds approximately.  In these cases S-Curve (aggressive) can be quite aggressive....Or not enough...

I totally get this can't be perfect (hey...We still need DJ's right ?? :-) but maybe something can be done for long fadeouts... I need to keep playing with this more to come up with a suggestion...

So far S-Curve(aggressive) with 4 or 5 seconds seem to be the sweet spot.. Ideally 4.5s would be best as I keep toggling between the two...

Which is why I think we should have decimal choices for up to 10 seconds especially from 0-7 seconds for all of the track change options ('been meaning to ask for this for quite sometime)...

Something like these 2 options in seconds:

--- Code: ---0.1 0.1
0.25 0.25
0.5 0.5
0.75 0.75
1 1
1.25 1.5
1.5 2
1.75 2.5
2 3
2.25 3.5
2.5 4
2.75 4.5
3 5
3.25 5.5
3.5 6
3.75 6.5
4 7
4.25 7.5
4.5 8
4.75 9
5 10
5.25 11
5.5 12
5.75 13
6 14
7 15
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16

--- End code ---

imeric:
I may have an idea...Toggling back and forth S-Curve (aggressive) and Gapless it looks like S-Curve (aggressive) is using the silence detection or gapless mark to start the cross-fade...

If there could be a logic to activate (or not) the S-Curve based on a certain dB threshold at this specific point (or mark) for the fadeout I think this could address the issue of long fades and make it smoother....

Just a thought I still need to play with this more...

Matt:
We're thinking some more about track transitions.

Jim had the idea of allowing graphically drawing a transition.

Together we had the idea of allowing override of the setting in Options by picking a track and editing a new "Transition Style" field with instructions on how to transition (cross-fade style, duration, etc.).

Wondering if people have any thoughts on these ideas, or some of your own ideas you could share?

Thanks.

milsdrewbulch:
The S-curve works just fine for me.

When you jump from one point in a track to another (by clicking ahead on the progress bar) there seems to be a nice fade-across. Not so sweet hitting some point on the volume slider though - just a sudden jump to the new volume. I raised this idea in the feature request section and it got only one person's approval, but a volume adjustment fader (or "volume damper") would be a great feature IMO.

imeric:

--- Quote from: milsdrewbulch on July 13, 2021, 05:41:24 pm ---The S-curve works just fine for me. When you jump from one point in a track to another (by clicking ahead on the progress bar) there seems to be a nice fade-across. Not so sweet hitting some point on the volume slider though - just a sudden jump to the new volume. I raised this idea in the feature request section and it got only one person's approval, but a volume adjustment fader (or "volume damper") would be a great feature IMO.

--- End quote ---

Wouldn't the S-Curve Smooth take care of some of this?

Also run an audio analysis and then use volume leveling if you want everything at the same volume level.

I do agree the graphic interface is a lot and also means we will need to mess with tags and specify a crossfade for each and every songs that don't work well with the default Cross-fade selected. I guess this is how it would work right?

Use the cross-fade type and duraiton that's in the Tag if NULL then use the default Cross-fade?

I would prefer a smarter Crossfade based on the type of fadeout as per this post: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,129677.msg901091.html#msg901091

We're almost there we just need to tackle my point #3 in the url above.  It could be as simple as detecting a fast fadeout and then a few ms or seconds of silence to trigger a very short S-Curve transition.

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