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POLL: What's Your Vaccination Status?
zybex:
"There's always that danger." -> I meant, there's always the danger of being biased without knowing it (that what a bias is after all). You said that I was also in an echo chamber, implying that I also have a skewed view; that is a possibility. In fact, everyone has a bias towards some side, as it's not possible for a human to be completely objective. Scientists recognize this, hence the scientific method is all about discussing and proving results not only to others, but to oneself. So I don't deal in absolutes, I recognize that my opinions might be flawed and read a lot from both sides to get to a conclusion; this is what I don't see the antivaxx, anti-5g, flat-earthers, election-deniers, and oh-so-many-other-conspiracy-nuts doing.
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Not Fox News.
tij:
--- Quote from: Louis on August 07, 2021, 12:18:34 pm ---Never been vaccinated in my life, had the flu and tonsilitis many times in my youth, but found the cause was dairy milk, so cut that out and never had flu or sickness of any kind for the past 55 years, except for the odd cold. Eat little meat, mainly fresh homegrown fruit and veg, low carb, no pharma drugs (except for a tooth extraction) no antibiotics, plenty of exercises in gardening, cycling and hiking, lots of sun, injuries treated with natural remedies herbs, tinctures, poultices and homoeopathy, 1 to 3-week maintenance detox fast a couple of times a year, herbal tea, wine or homebrew IPA beer:) No arthritis or any other degenerative diseases, no aches or pains, eyesight better than in my youth when I had to wear glasses, everything works great, so I'm just keeping to this path.
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There are vaccines administered to new born (polio, TB, hepatitis ... just to name few). Unless your parents deliberately kept you from vaccination, you should have got those ... but dont recall it.
You are indeed lucky to be blessed with good health and never get in contact with deadly decease. I too never had flu shots ... until I got one ... it was certainly not fun being nailed to the bed for a week ... something i would like to avoid, hence now I am taking flu shots.
Plus if you ever been beaten by animal ... rabies vaccine is a must ... unless you want to bet your life on it ... rabies is 100% fatal once symptoms shows (there are maybe 1 or 2 documented survival).
And as other mentioned ... it not just about me ... its about my family and friends too ... do i want to be burden to them when virus strike me down ... or worst, pass that virus to them
zybex:
It's all about risk management. Is the vaccine risk-free? No. Does it have severe/fatal reactions in some cases? Yes. That's the same with ANY vaccine! However, the benefits FAR outweigh the risk.
When I was taking the COVID shots (and others, I've already had a tetanus shot afterwards), I was aware that there was a non-zero chance that I might have a negative reaction and might die 1 hour later. Same when I took my son there, I know the same can happen to him... however, this is STILL the safest option, by far. The risk of dying by COVID or causing others to die or having a prolonged hospital stay is MUCH higher, as the numbers are showing.
This is true not only for COVID, but of many other diseases for which there are vaccines that pretty much eradicated them in most of the world. People don't remember how it was before vaccines. Suddenly this vaccine is somehow worse than the others, even though medicinal technology has progressed by leaps and bounds over the last few decades, leading to lower mortality rates and higher life expectancy. That is not a coincidence.
syndromeofadown:
--- Quote ---There are vaccines administered to new born (polio, TB, hepatitis ... just to name few). Unless your parents deliberately kept you from vaccination, you should have got those ... but dont recall it.
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This really started with the 1986 law absolving Vaccine Manufacturers from liability. Look into infant mortality rate in the US compared to other developed countries. It is the highest. Do babies need a hep B vaccine? Are they doing a lot of party drugs in their first year? Remember when kids were healthy and and didn't have autoimmune diseases? Autoimmune diseases have increased 7 percent per year for the last 30 years. I got all of my childhood vax's just before 86, there was just a couple of them. I, and all my friends, got along just fine without the 72 that kids now get by the time they are 18.
--- Quote ---That's the same with ANY vaccine! However, the benefits FAR outweigh the risk.
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6 months in this can not be known. Can you tell me how many kids have had heart inflammation from taking a vax for a virus they have basically zero risk from? Any is too many. Look at the pharmaceutical companies own studies on this, the adverse reactions for kids are way too high. How will this new one react with the 72 other ones they received?
--- Quote ---Suddenly this vaccine is somehow worse than the others
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Yes. Long term effects aren't known. Animal trials of similar vax's went horribly bad. There have been many vaccines that have killed so many people they needed pulled. They aren't all God's gift to mankind. Just because they repeated the mantra of safe and effective for 6 months doesn't make it true. It doesn't look to be too effective in Israel.
I hope that people look into where they are getting their information from. Get your information from people and organizations without an unprecedented history of fraud and corruption. There are scientists, doctors, and nurses risking their lives, reputations, and livelihood to share their information that paints a different picture than that of the mainstream media. Look for truth instead of a scapegoat. Even if you use all of the published data from official studies, case counts, and clinical trials it will paint a different picture than the mainstream. How did that WMD situation turn out. Did we find them all?
I keep up with all of the official numbers from the province I live in and those that neighbour me. No more people have died than previous years. The vast majority of those that have died WITH (not from) covid where over the average age of death, and in government run care facilities. The vast majority of people that weren't old had comorbidites and were obese. In last year in Canada for people under 50, more have died from constipation than Covid.
To think someone has to be either pro vax or antivax is mental. I am not antivax but I am anti giving children experimental injections that they do not need. How about only necessary vaccines given to people that need and want them with maximum testing and safety precautions. How about pharmaceutical companies stand behind their product.
The point I have been trying to convey here is that the situation isn't as simple as get to 80 percent and get back to normal. It does not justify human right violations, dehumanizing those who disagree with you, or segregation based on personal confidential medical information.
JimH:
syndromeofadown,
According to the NY Times, 616 people died yesterday from Covid. 71,540 were hospitalized. Most were unvaccinated.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
What do you propose we do?
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