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avpman:
It continues to amaze me that educated (college and doctorate) people still don't think they need to be vaccinated or they prefer to take snake oil (i.e. Ivermectin.) What the hell do they think has been tamping down the virus so far?

mojave:

--- Quote from: avpman on November 26, 2021, 01:09:11 pm ---It continues to amaze me that educated (college and doctorate) people still don't think they need to be vaccinated or they prefer to take snake oil (i.e. Ivermectin.) What the hell do they think has been tamping down the virus so far?
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I know 10 people in the past two weeks that are vaccinated and have contracted COVID-19.

My mother-in-law (76 years old and not vaccinated) currently has COVID-19. Her doctor has treated over 400 patients with Ivermectin and not a single one has died or even been on a respirator. My MIL has been hospitalized for two weeks now and 40% of COVID patients at that hospital end up on the respirator. Her doctor has specialized in infectious diseases for over 40 years.

For a different perspective:
The Undeniable Ivermectin Miracle in India’s 240m Populated Largest State, Uttar Pradesh
Ivermectin: Fact-checking the Fact-checkers

syndromeofadown:
Ivermectin study site:
https://ivmmeta.com/
The CDC has 16 studies on their site, it's buried now and very hard to find. I can dig it out if anyone cares.
The one they talk about in the news is when they gave huge amounts to covid patient late into their battle with it and from that they try to discredit everything before and after.

I live in a fairly remote location. We have around 90 percent vaxxed and were the first in Canada to receive it. Boosters are currently being administered. It worked, we are all good and back to normal!
Just kidding. We are in a state of emergency because the vaccinated people are sick with covid. The infection rates have skyrocketed among them. They all have to wear masks in public. There are limits to how many people can be in a house. All unvaxxed have been fired or are in the process of being fired from their jobs. Passports are needed for non-essential businesses. Unvaxxed can't fly. On top of that, in my personal circle amongst the vaxxed there are heart problems, numerous heart attacks in friends parents, internal bleeding, ovary issues (god knows what is going on there, but it involves severe pain), and a friend of a friend has a severe neurological disorder. I am thankful I do not have any soccer players in my life.

This sounds like and epic failure to me. It sounds exactly like the other places on earth with high vax rates. Don't say that it would be far worse if we didn't have the shot, because this is a pointless assumption. Instead lets look at places that were not taking experimental procedures. I look to the Dutch Reform and the Mennonites. Covid passed through their communities like the flu. They are all good. Another place with very low rates is Africa. An interesting thing about Africa and also India is that they use Ivermectin as a prophylaxis. The problem with Ivermectin, the Nobel Prize winning drug, is that it is cheap. Also you cannot have emergency approval of an experimental treatment if a treatment already exists. So is there a super mutant there about to wipe out the entire planet, or is the mainstream media making a distraction for the mysterious case of Africa doing better than the highly vaccinated countries? Time will tell, I suspect sooner rather than latter.


--- Quote ---It continues to amaze me that educated (college and doctorate) people still don't think they need to be vaccinated or they prefer to take snake oil (i.e. Ivermectin.)
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Ivermectin = Nobel Prize winning drug.
Snake oil = a term used to describe deceptive marketing, health care fraud, or a scam. ie The billions spent on pharmaceutical marketing. 96 percent effective.
What do you think the hundreds of thousands of unvaxxed health care workers have seen in the last year that has dissuaded them?


--- Quote ---What the hell do they think has been tamping down the virus so far?
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It's not tampered. Evidence of this is the state of emergency i currently live in that's rife with discrimination and human rights violations. Here it is a pandemic of the vaccinated. We are far far worse off than before everyone took the shot.

The news bombards us with covid numbers but what they have not been saying is that the vaxxed have twice the death rate as unvaxxed from non covid related illness. ie heart problems. It is coming out more each day. You just have to find a news outlet that isn't supported by pharma add dollars. I believe it is on the mainstream news in England now. The number where I live are secret, well at least they have been since they stopped supporting the narrative.

BillT:
Wow!

I thought this place was reasonably rational and not affected by the lunacy of social media. Seems I was wrong.

Ivermectin is used for killing parasites in animals. That's what the creators got a Nobel prize for.

Parasites are not viruses.

mwillems:
I found the Ivermectin question interesting because a significant number of the studies showed no benefit, but there were also more than a few studies that seemed to definitely show a significant benefit.  That kind of split over a large numbers of studies is unusual, and I was curious about what could lead to that kind of divergence. I found the following analysis of the Ivermectin studies to be interesting (the author is a medical doctor who is also a popular blogger, so it's pretty readable but long): 
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/ivermectin-much-more-than-you-wanted

The take away: there were some small trials that showed Ivermectin was helpful for COVID.  Some of those had serious methodological problems, but others were methodologically sound and still showed a COVID outcome benefit for Ivermectin.  But, curiously, later larger trials showed minimal or no benefit.  The author notes that Ivermectin is a very effective anti-parasite drug (in humans, as well as animals) and that many of the Ivermectin trials that showed significant benefit were conducted in regions of the world that have endemic parasite/intestinal worm problems (i.e. as much as 25 to 50% of the population being infected at any given time).  Having parasites can be very hard on your immune system. So his theory is the reason that Ivermectin worked well in trials in Bangladesh or rural East India was that many of the experimental subjects were also suffering from parasites that the Ivermectin cured, improving their COVID survival rates. 

It's not an airtight case, but the graph of parasite prevalence compared to the study locations looks very persuasive.  In any case, I thought it was an interesting read of the evidence which elegantly explained why the later, larger studies run in Western countries failed to show any significant benefit for Ivermectin.

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