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HaWi:
--- Quote from: Day Radebaugh on November 02, 2022, 07:02:03 pm ---You can edit these fields, and they are stored back in the database. Writing those same values back to the original music files is optional. There are some customers that never, ever, ever want MC to write values to their files.
I am among such users; believe that I would not want to write these changed tags back into the original music file, so I have disabled the default as you specified to not update tags when file info changes.
. I think, in terms of integrity, that it makes better sense to modify the tagging information that is unique and associated with MC, but to preserve the original music file intact.
For the second question, your example was spot on. i will follow your example, and distinguish among related artists (such as D'Angelo vs. D'Angelo and the Village Vanguard)
in the Artist field, but use the Album Artist to group them.
A final question: what is the Name field, and what does it do?
A final final question that is a bit off-track. I'm using a package called Amvidia Tag Editor to manage the tags in my 600 GB music file or database. I've massaged these tags endlessly over the past several weeks to get the results I desire. I submit this re-tagged file to Audirvana, which is my current library manager, and find that they don't give me the results I want. So i further tweak the tags inside Audirvana, sometimes to good effect, sometimes not. Would it be reasonable to assume that the tag tweaking I do in Audirvana is similarly just held in a database that Audirvana keeps locally (that is, for their own use only) and not written back to my original file? I am not aware of any parameter inside Audirvana that controls whether such tags are or are not written back into the original music file.
Thank you again. This is enormously helpful.
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Hi, I hope you don't mind if I chime in.
Regarding writing tags, i.e. changing the actual media file with MC is no different from doing so in Tag Editor (which is what I use) or Audirvana. If you want those changes to be incorporated into the MC database you first need to create fields in the MC database that have the exact same name as the ones in the tag editor of your choice (unless, of course they already exist, such as Name, Album, Artist, Album Artist, etc). My philosophy is different in that I want to store as much information as possible in the media file (for which I have multiple back-ups). That way, even if I use the media in another player or management software, I still have all the information I need available but I can understand that some folks don't want to do that.
Regarding the [Name] field, this corresponds to the name of a track, e.g 'Rolling in the Deep' (this is a track from the Album '21' by Adele).
Hope this helps
Hans
Day Radebaugh:
Does help, indeed. My situation at the moment is that I'm an Audirvana user, and am having a huge amount of trouble getting it to recognize the tagging changes I make, and to present the albums and artists in a way that makes sense to me. My experience to date is that MC does a much better job at this, and so far I like what I've seen in the tagging department.
With respect to writing the tags back into the music file itself, I see these modified tags as somehow reflecting the idiosyncrasies of the streaming software you're using, in this case MC. If you change streamers, your tags might not conform to the new system's conventions.
The one feature that I wish MC had was the wealth of well-organized Internet radio stations that Audirvana has. I love to explore radio stations world-wide; each one is sort of a surprise and offers a different menu of news and music.
However, based on my experience so far, I can add these radio website url's to Mc, and that should give me the next best thing. The ideal here would be to add the streaming url itself to the Web Media section, but each internet radio station has a different setup for their streaming url, and many, if not most, are quite difficult to find and copy. I think it is frankly just not worth the trouble.
So, all in all, I like what i see here so far. And the help and advice I've gotten has been has been very helpful.
blgentry:
I have very little knowledge of Audirvana. I would guess that changes made there write back to the source files, but I don't actually know. Just guessing.
When I make tag changes in MC, I normally want to alter the music files. Why? Because most of the time I'm correcting things that I know I want to look a certain way. An example would be songs that have "featured artists" on them. An example:
Santana's Album Supernatural. Nearly every song has a featured artist, who is not Santana. There are several ways of showing this:
1. Have the song title include something like: Put Your Lights On (feat. Everlast)
2. Keep the song title without any "feat", but have the Artist field contain Everlast, or Santana feat. Everlast
I generally prefer method #1. Occasionally when I rip a CD, the automatically filled information will be in form #2 above. Then I need to edit song names and Artist fields. Sometimes I can do that with expressions. Other times I can't. Either way, I want those changes to be permanent and not just "stuck in MC".
I use my music files with other systems (not MC) and they generally work quite well with those other systems. When I find things that don't work, I generally go back to MC, make the changes I want and then transport the files back to the other system. MC is the center of my music universe. All tags and values are maintained and stored in MC.
I understand the idea that you might feel like you need to do odd tweaks in other systems. In MC I do not believe that to be the case. Because MC has Views and you can alter the views. You can also add additional fields to MC which might be used by these views. Those fields don't need to go back to the files and other players probably wouldn't see, or care, about these brand new fields you made up. An example of a made up field might be a "Artist Grouping" field that helped you put together nearly identical artists (as we previously discussed). Other players wouldn't know what to do with those tags if they read them. But MC would if you built views based on using that tag.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: MC helps make you the digital librarian of your own collection. You define the organizational structures. You decide what the values are. You have complete control. My digital music collection is very satisfyingly curated.
Brian.
Day Radebaugh:
Brian:
You make a very persuasive case. I can see your point of view. I will keep this in mind and make a decision as this issue clarifies.
On a related issue, you say
An example of a made up field might be a "Artist Grouping" field that helped you put together nearly identical artists (as we previously discussed). Other players wouldn't know what to do with those tags if they read them. But MC would if you built views based on using that tag.
Can you tell me how I would build a view around an extra field I introduced such as Artist Grouping? I fooled with the tags of a particular CD, and managed to find the attached screen but got lost fast, in the dividers and such. Essentially, how would I add a field, and then build a view around it?
This is powerful indeed.
Thanks
blgentry:
The dialog you have open is the Customize tool for the Tag Window. The purpose of that tool is so you can rearrange how Tags appear in the Tag Action Window (tag editor). You might, for example, put track # and Disc # right next to each other if they are something you look at, and or edit, often. Or you might really want to have Artist be the very first thing in the Tag Window, so you put it at the top. This is can be helpful for some editing tasks.
To add, remove, or edit a Library field, you go here:
Tools > Options > Library & Folders > Manage Library Fields
You should probably read through this wiki page to answer some questions and to get familiar with the different types of Library Fields and things like that:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Fields
To use your new field in a View, you just add it as either a Category or a Pane. Category views are like the Artist view where you start with one thing (Artist) and then when you double click on one, you drill down further. In the case of the Artist view when you click an artist, it drills down to Album.
You can build your own category views that start with anything and drill to anything else. You might start with Genre and drill down to Artist then Album. Or start with Year and drill down to Albums alphabetically. Or any other logical way you can think of.
Panes views present the fields you want to work with as scrollable lists and you select things by making list selections and drilling from left to right. Panes views are especially powerful, but aren't as pretty as Category views.
Marko, the Views *master* has written an amazing tutorial about it. This tutorial is rather comprehensive and might make your head explode if you try to digest all of it at once. I recommend skimming over it and trying to learn a little bit. Then go back to it later when you know more and you'll learn more. This tutorial is really incredible.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=68960.0
If you want to get started quickly, make a copy of the Artists view. Then do Customize View on it and play around. Don't be afraid to mess it up. It's a copy. You can do some experiments and learn a lot quickly. Customizing views is fun and it's really not all that hard. It can get very detailed and that's where the tutorial comes in.
I just realized that copying a view isn't exactly intuitive, so I should tell you the strange method that makes it easy. Go to the Tree on the left and find the view you want (like Artists). Click and hold on that view and drag it up to the parent in the Tree that says "Audio". When you are hovering over audio, release the mouse. You'll get a menu asking for "move or copy". Choose copy and it will make a copy for you and put a (1) after it. You can then rename that copy, edit it, completely change it, etc.
I know this is a lot of info. MC's a big program and it's very capable. Just take it a step at a time and you can learn as much as you want or need.
Brian.
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