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Bitstreaming - behavior during pause (WASAPI exclusive issue)
htnut:
eve,
Thank you so much for reading all of my posts and providing such a thoughful reply. I'm pleased that you "get it" (for my "cinema experience" goals).
1. Thank you for "seconding" my request for "quit MC on movie playback".
2. Your solution is very appealing but, unfortunately, requires me to use Title playback. I tried to be very clear early on (in my "Reply #3") and repeated throughout this thread that I really need to use Menu playback as it is the only way to reliably get forced subtitles to display properly. Note: It is primarily the amazing ability of JRiver MC to properly use menus that prompted me to buy the software and have come to really like it.
3. This brings me to another point. An alternative to me finding a workaround for this bistreaming lock, would be if MC30 could 100% reliably display forced subtitles when in "Title Playback" mode. Maybe MC30 can "read" the magic happening with Java menus to display forced subs correctly? I am aware that there is at least THREE different ways BD/UHD handles forced subs. Examples here: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=169976
Re: the suggestions to repackage to MKV: I don't care to convert hundreds of movies to MKV, both because a) it would take a tremendous amout of time and b) it is obvious the forced subtitle issue is still a big issue unless I would take the monumental amount of time to research / preview every single title to try to find & include the correct forced sub into the respective MKV.
I recognize that my use of MC30 exclusively as a movie player and not as a "library" is only one piece of a very complex and capable Media Center. So, I appreciate the attention my requests have received and hope to find a solution.
Thanks.
eve:
--- Quote from: htnut on March 04, 2023, 05:05:10 pm ---eve,
Thank you so much for reading all of my posts and providing such a thoughful reply. I'm pleased that you "get it" (for my "cinema experience" goals).
1. Thank you for "seconding" my request for "quit MC on movie playback".
2. Your solution is very appealing but, unfortunately, requires me to use Title playback. I tried to be very clear early on (in my "Reply #3") and repeated throughout this thread that I really need to use Menu playback as it is the only way to reliably get forced subtitles to display properly. Note: It is primarily the amazing ability of JRiver MC to properly use menus that prompted me to buy the software. \
3. This brings me to another point. An alternative to me finding a workaround for this bistreaming lock, would be if MC30 could 100% reliably display forced subtitles when in "Title Playback" mode. Maybe MC30 can "read" the magic happening with Java menus to display forced subs correctly? I am aware that there is at least THREE different ways BD/UHD handles forced subs. Examples here: https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=169976
Re: the suggestions to repackage to MKV: I don't care to convert hundreds of movies to MKV, both because a) it would take a tremendous amout of time and b) it is obvious the forced subtitle issue is still a big issue unless I would take the monumental amount of time to research / preview every single title to try to find & include the correct forced sub into the respective MKV.
I recognize that my use of MC30 exclusively as a movie player and not as a "library" is only one piece of a very complex and capable Media Center. So, I appreciate the attention my requests have received and hope to find a solution.
Thanks.
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Yeah the forced subs is a bit of an issue. You can somewhat trial and error it but I agree, I do wish there was a more standard way of handling it. Despite retaining BDMVs, I tend to remux all of my material for regular playback, and I've been slowly moving towards having everything OCR'd as well as pulling in text based subs from a reliable source (not OpenSubs or anything like that)
So weirdly enough, you and I are actually in the same boat in how we use JRiver. I pretty much purely use it for video playback, the library functionality isn't really something I take advantage of. I actually didn't know that anyone else was doing the same.
In my case, as I was setting up my pre-show thing, I found it easier to actually have JRiver 'know' about the assets used to fill out my pre-show, rather than using another database like I do for movies and television. So in that respect, I do use JRiver's library functionality.
htnut:
This "hit or miss" with forced subtitles I've been dealing with for a decade since the advent of BDMV. Inspecting the sizes of the pgs files and experimenting before sitting to watch a movie is tedious. Ultimately we would just watch a movie and if foreign languages started with no subtitles I'd pause and experiment with turning a subtitle stream on. This, of course, really takes you out of the movie.
Zoomplayer's function for playing files at "random" works very well with my folders of trailers and "theme music".
I think I've found a workaround, but it's a bit of a "kludge". If I connect both of my HDMI outputs to separate inputs on my AVR, it presents two audio devices. I can put JRiver on what W10 thinks is "Monitor 1" bitstreaming to "Denon AVR"... and put Zoom Player to display on "Monitor 2" and bitstreaming to "Denon AVR 2". Then, while MC30 is "paused" (at 0:00:00 of chapter 1), my script can switch the AVR to the other input - do its thing - and then switch back to the other input before sending the unpause command to MC30. The biggest drag is that it takes a full 8 seconds for the AVR to switch "sources" and my projector throws a message in the corner after the input has switched.
Maybe we should open a new thread about forced subtitles and see if the software wizards can fix this once and for all with title playback ;D
eve:
--- Quote from: htnut on March 04, 2023, 10:48:29 pm ---This "hit or miss" with forced subtitles I've been dealing with for a decade since the advent of BDMV. Inspecting the sizes of the pgs files and experimenting before sitting to watch a movie is tedious. Ultimately we would just watch a movie and if foreign languages started with no subtitles I'd pause and experiment with turning a subtitle stream on. This, of course, really takes you out of the movie.
Zoomplayer's function for playing files at "random" works very well with my folders of trailers and "theme music".
I think I've found a workaround, but it's a bit of a "kludge". If I connect both of my HDMI outputs to separate inputs on my AVR, it presents two audio devices. I can put JRiver on what W10 thinks is "Monitor 1" bitstreaming to "Denon AVR"... and put Zoom Player to display on "Monitor 2" and bitstreaming to "Denon AVR 2". Then, while MC30 is "paused" (at 0:00:00 of chapter 1), my script can switch the AVR to the other input - do its thing - and then switch back to the other input before sending the unpause command to MC30. The biggest drag is that it takes a full 8 seconds for the AVR to switch "sources" and my projector throws a message in the corner after the input has switched.
Maybe we should open a new thread about forced subtitles and see if the software wizards can fix this once and for all with title playback ;D
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Honestly, the forced subs thing is easier to solve looking forward instead of backwards. PGS subtitles are relatively pointless for 90+% of the material out there, they add nothing. We can render much cleaner subs with text based ones. PGS / image subs made sense when player hardware was all over the place and there was no easy way to ensure consistency player to player. So they took the nuclear option so to speak and went with images
I still agree that in the situation where you have a full disc, it would be nice to have but I'm not sure if its worth the effort.
I like having my own fonts / and vaguely yellowish desaturated 60% brightness sub rendering.
htnut:
To bring closure to this thread, for the benefit of anyone with a similar situation who reads this...
My situation is resolved. Hendrik confirmed bitstreaming using DirectSound is now fixed in MC31. So, I no longer need to use WASAPI to bitstream and with DirectSound, when MC31 is paused, my other applications can share the audio device with no conflict and all returns to normal when done and playback in MC31 resumes.
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