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proton32060

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JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« on: April 20, 2023, 07:16:34 pm »

I upgrade to every new JRiver not because I need it but to support the company.
Will 31 still be compatible with Win 7 64 bit?
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Re: JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2023, 12:04:14 am »

It will likely be "compatible", but not because developers are trying to ensure that.  If after installation MC develops problems or stops working completely, you will be out of luck.

That said, my guess is it will probably work fine... but then again it might not. That's your gamble.
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Re: JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2023, 05:20:09 am »

It's time to start thinking about moving away from Windows 7. It's an incredible security risk if you're still using it (and it's connected to the internet) and NOBODY should still be using it at this point. You can still upgrade to Windows 10 for free from Windows 7.

Almost all other major/popular applications have dropped support for Windows 7 (and some have already dropped support for Windows 8.1 too). Maybe that's a sign it's time to move forward? Just don't expect companies (like JRiver, Google, Adobe, Valve, Microsoft, etc.) to keep supporting 15+ year old OSes with their applications. It's a waste of precious resources maintaining support for legacy/dead OSes while it also prevents software development from truly moving forward to support newer APIs and features only found in newer OSes.

In my honest opinion JRiver should only officially support Windows 10 and Windows 11 at this point, as those are the only two OSes supported by Microsoft. Windows 8.1 stopped receiving extended support a couple months ago, so it's a dead OS too that won't receive any security updates now.
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Re: JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2023, 11:34:51 am »

My Company has extended support for Windows 7 and I am continuing to get Security Updates since I have my Company Win 7 software loaded on my PC as well. Also, most Security Suites still support Win 7.
I am also a using a program that puts the Browser in a Sandbox that isolates it from the operating system preventing malware from getting past the browser and into my system.
My access to extended Security Updates ends this year.

When that occurs and as long as reputable Security Suites still support Win 7 I will continue to use it.
When the day comes I can't, then I will use a LInux Distro on a Dual Boot Drive or probably in a Virtual Machine to access the internet.
I Will Not upgrade to Windows 10 or any further Windows products.
EVER

I am 65 and I hate Windows 10 and everything about it and I will not let it break a lot of my expensive programs like previous upgrades have done. Besides, I am about to retire so I will not have sensitive information on my PC after that anyway.
As I said, as long as high end security suites still support it and until the updates end at the end of this year I will continue to use it.
After that I will make the decision of whether to use Linux in a Virtual Machine  or create a dual boot.

I know you are trying to help and I appreciate it but my situation is rare since I am lucky to have continued to get Security Updates. Yes, it is about to end but Windows 10 is a farce.
You pay for the hardware and software but Microsoft controls it.
Forget it.
I will not comply with that.
I will spend the money and take the chance.
As I said, I haven't needed to upgrade for years.
All I use JRiver for is to listen to songs and watch movies on my hard drive.
Five previous Generations did that just fine.
I am just trying to support the Company because they have proven to be good people.
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Re: JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2023, 07:56:11 am »

Maybe you want to try Linux - I switched over about 6 months ago. It is dual booting but now I have a Windows Virtual Machine (VM) setup that hides it is a VM _ will soon abandon the dual boot setup and go to Linux direct with this Windows. My must have software can run oin the Windows VM - I have every version set up from DOS/Win3.11 through to 11 just because I can! I use Manjaro and KVM virtual manager.

In Windows 10 I have stripped out of all telemetry, all bloatware and it runs only 40 processes on idel not 200 like a phone home Win10 vanilla install. I have my concerns about getting hit with advertising and sharing data I don't want to share. There are several open source windows debloaters that do this - look for Sycnex, or ChrisTitusTech for the best. Unfortunately Windows 7 over last 2 years has also been patched with updates that add back telemetry and data mining that was never there originally - so even sticking with 7 you are still sharing your data life profile with MS. Good luck!
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Re: JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2023, 08:35:25 am »

Those "debloat" tools basically break your Windows install, and over the years I've encountered and fixed multiple PCs that broke due to people blindly using those debloat and tweak utilities. Especially PowerShell scripts that forcefully remove apps like the Store and Cortana.

IMO, it's not worth it. You can disable some of the telemetry in Windows' settings app, but not all. And to be fair, some Linux distros also "phone home" with telemetry, as does Apple with macOS, iOS, etc. It's kinda hard to escape having your data gathered when everyone is basically doing it to some degree. The battle for online privacy and personal data protection was lost a long time ago, sadly.
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Re: JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2023, 09:50:44 am »

Those "debloat" tools basically break your Windows install, and over the years I've encountered and fixed multiple PCs that broke due to people blindly using those debloat and tweak utilities. Especially PowerShell scripts that forcefully remove apps like the Store and Cortana.

IMO, it's not worth it. You can disable some of the telemetry in Windows' settings app, but not all. And to be fair, some Linux distros also "phone home" with telemetry, as does Apple with macOS, iOS, etc. It's kinda hard to escape having your data gathered when everyone is basically doing it to some degree. The battle for online privacy and personal data protection was lost a long time ago, sadly.
I wouldn't blame the debloat tools. If you choose to remove store, that's on you lmao. The decent powershell scripts can be a starting point to know which changes to make.

A huge amount of telemetry can be disabled with group policy edits alone. The "Settings" app does very little in actuality.
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Re: JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2023, 10:16:04 pm »

The debloaters I mentioned are open source on Github allowing scrutiny, they do not remove the Windows Store, and have been down loaded over 50k times. It's not just about privacy. On my previous system on reboot and sitting idle without starting anything, I got sick of the PC clocking up to 15-20% CPU and over 50% HDD access on a 'cleaned system'. So I am forced to upgrade hardware just to keep MS fed with my data - no thank you. Now on reboot of a VM with GPU passed through, I am at 0-1%CPU, 0%HDD, 2GB Mem, Process count of 75 with everything loaded; and the Linux host running it boots using 800MB and one core. So I have an extra computer running for the same price as all the removed Windows background guff.

Each to their own of course. Depends on whether this is related to Proton32060 motivation to keep Win7 or not. But felt it important to note that Win7 has unfortunately also been retrofitted with all the telemetry and bloat via Windows updates https://www.computerworld.com/article/3408496/new-windows-7-security-only-update-installs-telemetrysnooping-uh-feature.html.
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Re: JRiver and Win 7 64 bit
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2023, 04:37:52 pm »

My Company has extended support for Windows 7 and I am continuing to get Security Updates since I have my Company Win 7 software loaded on my PC as well.

Not exactly sure what you are getting at with "continuing to get Security Updates" as the Windows 7 ESU program (year 3 of 3) officially ended on Jan 10, 2023.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-US/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates (see attachment)

That was the last Win 7 security patch cycle - ever - for those on the 3 year ESU program. I know this because my company was on it too - until Jan 10, 2023

Thus - Win 7 has been officially deprecated and end of life for almost 4 months now.

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