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New pc montor 1080p, motion is like, the object which is in motion shakes a lot.

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tkolsto:
strange that monitors does not have smoothing dejudder when they have the same problem as oled tvs.

tkolsto:
eve thank you for noticing this bad code. I have tried 5:5 pulldown on jrvr or madvr...but it stutters and shivers. I read now that monitors(led screens) have something calle black strobing. I dont have that on my new monitor. but this is supposed to give the same effect as bfi on oleds. Do You think this could be the solution for a monitor to be able to do smooth motion at the cost of reduced brightness and from what I read can produce flicker(I dont know how this flicker would be, but this might be it?)?

eve:

--- Quote from: tkolsto on May 28, 2023, 12:05:20 pm ---eve thank you for noticing this bad code. I have tried 5:5 pulldown on jrvr or madvr...but it stutters and shivers. I read now that monitors(led screens) have something calle black strobing. I dont have that on my new monitor. but this is supposed to give the same effect as bfi on oleds. Do You think this could be the solution for a monitor to be able to do smooth motion at the cost of reduced brightness and from what I read can produce flicker(I dont know how this flicker would be, but this might be it?)?

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We're getting into hypothetical territory and I don't *really* want to go into depth or spill some secret sauce, but honestly, Ive thought about the 'black strobe' and trying to do it in software with a high refresh rate VRR (important here) display.
I don't think this is going to help you though.

Look, it seems like you're particularly sensitive to a specific 'problem area' with the framerates that historically, have been prevalent in cinema and television. Panning has always been a problem, and directors ARE aware of it. Now, perhaps you've also been watching alot of HFR content, or playing video games. It can be WEIRDLY jarring going between the two.

You ever seen an HFR film? It's *wild* I wasn't sold on it, and the format has a solid decade to get to a place where it's being utilized right, but man, there's something to it.

Billy Lynn's Long Half-Time Walk and Gemini Man are really compelling, they're frankly bad, unmemorable movies but they're starting to approach the 'right' way to use HFR. Hobbit was a misfire, fantasy costumes and sets just... look fake and wrong, the cinematic illusion kind of collapses. Yet, you check out the gorgeous landscape porn shots littered about in the trilogy? Stunning.

Recently I stumbled upon a couple films, primarily available in the Chinese market (some of these have been hard to get English subtitles for) that bizarrely are HFR.

This for example.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt21146674/

The effects low key, look like a video game cutscene at times, but, the live action stuff, shot at 60fps? Not bad. I'm kind of digging it.

Anyways, there's 100% a future for HFR cinematography, I was pretty against it for a long time but I've come around. There's a way to do it that enhances the reality for the viewer, it's just going to take time to figure out what works and doesn't.

Go find some HFR films. If you need demo material, hit up video stock footage libraries. You can get *really* high quality 4K 60 and 120fps content (like even stuff without chroma subsampling)

tkolsto:
Yes I Am sensitive to it, thus back in the day I was not in any doubt that I wanted a plasma. But the lcd was not this bad as it is now...no where near this bad. the choppines, shimmering, shivering was not so obvious. So something has definetly changed.

Plasma was easy on the eyes. I would not bought the b1 if I knew the implications. I would buy a used panasonic and kept the 1080p movies.

So all I can wait for is better interpolation or that has probably peaked and will not get any better than a sony, which I have not seen yet.

Or there might be some kind of interference on my system, since I have experienced some in the moment great rendering..things where smoother and more effortless in how the movie was rendered.

HFR movies is probably far in the future.

I Am not impressed at all of the TV industry... I Am sure there are solutions...but they are going to monitize on motion when time comes over meny models..a little better each year.

When You use 5:5 pulldown together with bfi...how is it when bfi is turned off...then there are stutter rigth?

eve:

--- Quote from: tkolsto on May 29, 2023, 02:45:05 pm ---
When You use 5:5 pulldown together with bfi...how is it when bfi is turned off...then there are stutter rigth?

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I go back and forth on the BFI thing, it does impact the brightness a decent amount, the 5:5 pulldown is indispensable though (hello nice OSD and GUI navigation without constantly switching refresh rates, the 119-120hz 'container' works like a charm.). I do not have stutter beyond what 24fps looks like naturally.
I'm seriously wondering if something in your system (software or hardware, not the display) is causing an issue.
I think we've been over this before but you've tried fully reinstalling windows right? As in, format the drive, install fresh. You install your video driver, and JRiver, nothing else whatsoever.

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