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Author Topic: Volume depends on the first song played... wasn't always like this [Solved]  (Read 667 times)

slerch666

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I moved computers. I am sure I did something, somewhere, clicked some esoteric box or something but here's the issue I have:

The volume of playback in MC 31 depends on which song I play first from a stop state.

I have a Zone configured to play a large set of my music (7211 tracks at the moment)

Sample Rate is set to up sample to 3x each sample rate (44.1=176, 48=192, etc) because my DAC seems to prefer this to 2x though I could be convinced not to upsample. No encoding.
Volume Leveling is set to On (think this might be the issue?)
Adaptive Volume is On (Peak Level Normalize)
Equalizer set to my preferred curve on my DAC

Playback is set to WASAPI exclusive mode.
Memory Playback, decoded file into memory
Bitstreaming: None
Use SoX for Resampling
Resample uncommon sample rates


 
The songs are obviously split across all kinds of albums, all walks of music, and close to at least 1 track from every artist in my library (ripped from CD, or from an online music store in FLAC or WAV, and all songs are analyzed in MC).

When I am done working for the day, I stop my music, power off my machine, and go about my evening.
Next morning, I get to work, power up my personal machine I use to play music, and depending on the starting track, it seems to determine the overall volume for the day.
Or rather, overall volume until I stop the music and then restart for whatever reason (conf call, lunch, etc).

I checked my old PC and it seems to do the same thing, so I guess I checked the box for something I shouldn't have and copied the settings over?

Any recommendations on a path to start troubleshooting is appreciated, even if it is something really stupid I did.

Thanks in advance!
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BryanC

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Re: Volume depends on the first song played... wasn't always like this
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2023, 09:12:37 am »

There's some good information here about volume leveling behavior and how it's calculated on a per-album and per-playlist basis, and some problems with really large playlists.
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slerch666

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Re: Volume depends on the first song played... wasn't always like this
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2023, 12:04:15 pm »

There's some good information here about volume leveling behavior and how it's calculated on a per-album and per-playlist basis, and some problems with really large playlists.
Perfect.

So it seems the "issue" isn't really an issue but probably a byproduct of having a playlist with way too many songs in it.

Now I just need to figure out what I want to do about it.

Thanks for the link!
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blgentry

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Re: Volume depends on the first song played... wasn't always like this
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2023, 01:55:52 pm »

The issue described in that linked thread happened when you put 10,000 or more songs in Playing Now.  At the end of the thread they said they increased this number to 50,000.  Surely you aren't putting that many songs into Playing Now?

Brian.
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Re: Volume depends on the first song played... wasn't always like this
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2023, 02:11:54 pm »

There's some good information here about volume leveling behavior and how it's calculated on a per-album and per-playlist basis, and some problems with really large playlists.

I would think the larger the playlist, the more data points there would be to even out the playlist volume.

The first track should have no more impact on the playlist volume than any other track.

Even with volume leveling turned on... I'm constantly adjusting volume as some tracks are just way too loud.

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slerch666

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Re: Volume depends on the first song played... wasn't always like this
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2023, 07:10:18 am »

The issue described in that linked thread happened when you put 10,000 or more songs in Playing Now.  At the end of the thread they said they increased this number to 50,000.  Surely you aren't putting that many songs into Playing Now?

Brian.

I am not.
At worst I just throw 4k in a list, but that's not normal. While testing to figure out what was happening though I did do 7k songs. Usually, my list is 1000 or less as I tend to just add tracks to my Now Playing and will randomly reshuffle, clear it out and throw some tracks in.
Yes, smart list is easier and I use them, but smart list requires me to put some effort into my selection and sometimes my listening desire is... eclectic. One day I want J-Pop all day, the next Death Metal, and the next week classical. And some days I want it all randomly.

In this case, I figured out that for some reason there were tracks in my library that hadn't been analyzed. It was also good to start to understand how the different settings (Volume leveling, etc) work together as I never bothered to look into it before since "it just worked."

I assume what happened is I ripped CDs or imported newly purchased FLAC files before I set the "analyze on import" check box, which imported files w/o the analysis. Since I use a NAS and sync, it would sync those to my NAS, I would play them on my old computer and would have the same issue just like the new computer. User error completely. Then w/ the "analyze the audio" recommendation it was so easy and a not seeing the forest for the trees situation.

I also took the time to poke around my library and found some odd tracks that couldn't be analyzed. They were ripped from BluRay and were essentially empty; I never realized they were in my library and now, they are not. :D
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