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BasMolly:
Hi everybody
Can someone please help?
I have a Topping D10s DAC which according to the seller can work with native DSD.
And JRiver Media Center 32 is also advertised as a solution for native DSD.
But so far I have not found a combination of settings which works.
I can find no step-by-step guide for a simple person like myself, on how to set it all up.
I'm lost !!!
Thanks for any help
Bas

Awesome Donkey:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD

1) Enable DSD bitstreaming in MC's Options > Audio > Settings > Bitstreaming set it from None to DSD.

2) If you specifically want to use native DSD over DoP you have to use the ASIO driver provided by the DAC manufacturer and set MC's Options > Audio > Audio Device > Device settings... and make sure DSD bitstream in DoP format isn't checked.

3) Make sure both system volume and internal MC volume is set to 100% (this is required for DSD bitstreaming to work).

4) In DSP Studio make sure Output Format > Output Encoding is set to None, do not use any of the DSD options for native DSD or DoP there as it will convert everything (PCM and DSD) to DSD, which is a pretty resource intensive task.

Worth noting there is no audible difference between using native DSD and DoP, the end result is exactly the same. The only reason to use native DSD over DoP is if your DAC supports DSD512 and you want to playback content at that resolution. Typically DACs only support up to DSD256 over DoP, as it's tied to the max PCM sample rate the DAC supports and I've yet to see any DACs that support a PCM sample rate of 1411.2 kHz which would be needed to support DSD512 over DoP. You'd have to refer to the DAC's manual to see what the maximum it supports via both native DSD and DoP.

lkk:
I'm still preferred bit streaming native not DoP because it sound better and some of the manufacturer driver have limited sampling rate support on DoP.

To Improve your normal CD tracks can do up sampling to your max DAC can support. and turn on SoX resampling will give you more refined resample sound. to notice the difference few things must consider, USB to DAC cable, DAC & amp quality, interconnect cable between dac & amp, lastly the headphone and it cable also. with the right parts you can enjoy the superb details and silky smooth of high range frequency.

I wonder when media center can add in native DSD processing at least can do volume normalization and up-sampling like pcm tracks. if can after processed still can bit streaming it to DAC.

current media center can process the dsd is by convert it to pcm but with any conversion will lost in sound signature. regardless pcm to dsd or dsd to pcm.

1 last thing i would mention is can media center add high resampling rate 1536k & dsd1024 getting more DAC supporting that sampling rate now.

Awesome Donkey:
There's no difference between DoP and native DSD sound wise, the end result is exactly the same at the DAC's end doing the decoding since bitstreaming is being used. The only difference between the two is delivery method but at the DAC's end when decoding the data is identical.

I personally wouldn't recommend most users to up sample CDs for example, it's a lossy process regardless if you use SoX or not. It just seems like a waste of resources with no real gain. Do a search of the forums for DSD1024, Jim has responded (and shot down) those requests in the past (since it's seemingly pointless), I would suspect his opinion on it hasn't changed since then. I also wouldn't expect any native DSD processing anytime soon (if ever), all media players I've seen still processes DSD with a PCM step in the middle. I would be surprised if that changes anytime soon if ever, IMO.

JimH:
There's a Listening Test under the Tools menu.  It's worth trying to see if you really can hear differences.

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