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Nicholas T

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Playlists Empty
« on: November 06, 2024, 11:20:12 pm »

Hi,
I've recently upgraded to V.33 and I've just begun noticing a number of my playlists are empty.  I'm not going crazy because I've checked my synced phone and the m3u's are all good on my phone.
Any ideas?
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Nicholas

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Nicholas T

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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2024, 07:42:16 pm »

Hey Team,
I haven't received a response to this yet and need to bump it.
I'm not kidding when I say that it seems the majority of my standard playlists are completely empty!  I probably have 50-100 empty playlists.
I've been working a lot in MC33 since upgrading - but mostly adding a lot of music, tagging and creating new playlists and I haven't been scanning existing playlists until last week.
MC32 is still on my Windows PC and all the playlists are intact in that. 
This will be a massive job manually updating all my empty playlists in MC33 and I suddenly feel seriously vulnerable because I don't know why this happened and I don't have a backup plan to fall back on now that I have done a lot of work in MC33.

Please help.
Thank you,
Nicholas



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HPBEME

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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2024, 09:03:57 pm »

Try going to your MC 32 library, probably located in a file path similar to this: C:\Users\username\AppData\Roaming\J River\Media Center 32

Then copy playlistx.jmd, and paste that into your MC 33 library (located in a similar path) - MC will warn you that this will overwrite that field, but since you said you have nothing but empty playlists in MC 33, I presume that should not matter. 

While I have not used this technique on playlists specifically, I have used this approach several times when I accidentally overwrote a whole bunch of files with the same value at some unknown previous point in time. Since I had done a lot of recent tagging that I did not want to lose, this is how I solved it. If I had restored the entire library, I would lose all that recent tagging work. But you can pick and choose specific fields from a backup or an earlier install, and then overwrite the current library with that specific field - it is just not an automated process.

Of course it goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, perform an MC backup on your existing MC 33 library prior to doing any of this in case something goes wrong.

Hopefully the above will do the trick for you.
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Nicholas T

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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2024, 12:10:35 am »

Thanks for your advice.

Only static Playlists were affected and are empty.  All the pre-existing Smartlists and Playlist Groups remained unaffected. 

However, I have added a lot of files and static and smart playlists since upgrading.

If I overwrite the playlistx.jmd from 32 to 33 then I presume I will lose all my new lists?  Of which I have spent many many hours updating over the last few weeks and I really don't want to spend that time again if I don't have to.

I see I can right click and export a playlist to MPL so this might be useful.  Would it make sense to export all my new playlists one-by-one to MPL, copy the MC32 playlistx.jmd to MC33 and then import all the new playlists again, one-by-one back into MC33?

It would certainly be nice if I could bulk export playlists at this point but I don't see an option for this?

And I'm curious how this happened?  I'm sure other users would have raised the issue pretty quickly so it seems I'm alone in this dilemma. 

Thanks for your input. 
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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2024, 02:52:29 am »

MC makes automatic backups, you can restore a previous one or just extract this file from the ZIP backup file.
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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2024, 08:32:27 am »

MC makes automatic backups, you can restore a previous one or just extract this file from the ZIP backup file.
I think the OP had done a bunch of tagging work in MC33 before realizing numerous custom playlists he created in MC 32 were empty and apparently never transferred (which was also a bunch of work he does not want to have to repeat in MC33).  If he restored an earlier backup (from MC32 or 33), he would lose all that recent tagging work in MC 33… thus my suggestion of overwriting only the specific playlist field from MC32 to MC33.

But perhaps I've misunderstood, and the OP can clarify whether my statement above is accurate or not?

If I have correctly described the situation, I do have a couple more suggestions to try and remedy the additional concerns from your last post, but will wait for an answer to the question above first.  I'm sure zybex will as well, as he is a superstar responder in these forums - there is no one better at providing concise and accurate answers than him.
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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2024, 05:04:46 pm »

Have a look at this post, especially regarding exporting all playlists in one fell swoop, which is now a menu option under Tree > RMB Playlists > Export All Playlists... :

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=126117.0

It would require that you have both MC32 and MC33 available, first exporting from the former and then importing into the latter.  They can both be installed on the same machine if necessary, just run one at a time.
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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2024, 06:21:03 pm »

Nice find. Seems like that should solve the OP's issue completely.
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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2024, 07:04:23 pm »

Another approach to consider, using only MC33 and an MC32 backup:
1) Back up MC33.
2) Export all your new playlists from MC33.
3) Import the old MC32 playlists by restoring library + playlists from a MC32 backup file, overwriting new playlists and other changes in your MC33 library.
4) Restore MC33 from backup without restoring its playlists.  Not sure if this will leave your MC32 playlists intact.
5) If so, import your new playlists from step 2) back into MC33.

Theme and variations.  Untested by me. :)
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Re: Playlists Empty
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2024, 01:39:14 am »

Hey Team,
I haven't received a response to this yet and need to bump it.
I'm not kidding when I say that it seems the majority of my standard playlists are completely empty!  I probably have 50-100 empty playlists.
I've been working a lot in MC33 since upgrading - but mostly adding a lot of music, tagging and creating new playlists and I haven't been scanning existing playlists until last week.
MC32 is still on my Windows PC and all the playlists are intact in that. 
This will be a massive job manually updating all my empty playlists in MC33 and I suddenly feel seriously vulnerable because I don't know why this happened and I don't have a backup plan to fall back on now that I have done a lot of work in MC33.

Please help.
Thank you,
Nicholas

Have no idea if this is the same issue with the same cause, but I have run into something very similar fairly frequently.  In my case, if I have playlists that are compilations of files  on various drives attached to my computer (I use JBOD),when I first click on one of these playlists, instead of showing the playlist files/thumbnails, it looks totally empty, as in blank.  After what seems a long time, but probably isn't (seconds on a computer seem to me to take eons), the playlist is again fully repopulated, thumbnails and all and everything works normally.  I figured both the playlist initially appearing completely empty and the delay in repopulating it are related to MC having to reread data after waking up various idle drives the source files for the playlist are on, reloading the thumbnails etc, but that's just a guess.
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