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V-Man

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Feature: Using last-name-first
« on: November 25, 2002, 04:17:50 am »

For more flexibility and better alphabetical sorting, I want to change the format of my artist and album names to a format like this:

From

Artist: Michelle Branch
Album: The Spirit Room

To

Artist: Branch, Michelle
Album: Spirit Room, The

OK, apart from being a monotonous task, it can be done. But I'd like MJ to be able to support new keywords for view-schemes and rename-from-property that automatically convert these back when reading them out of the database. The technique is simple enough - just scan the string for ", " and if found discard it and swap left and right substrings.

Then I could have two view schemes like so:

Artist/Album
  Branch, Michelle
     Spirit Room, The

Artist (First Name)/Album
  Michelle Branch
     The Spirit Room
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NoCodeUK

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Re: Feature: Using last-name-first
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2002, 06:09:38 am »

Why not create a new database field with the name set in the backwards way??  That way the normal artist field would not be affected but you could still have a view scheme that sorted on reverse name??  if the name was the same just have the same listed for both fields...

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V-Man

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Re: Feature: Using last-name-first
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2002, 06:41:57 am »

Yes of course that's possible, but it's duplication as one can be directly computed from the other. It's more work to manage the tags.

On a related note, is it possible to create a view scheme where you can specify two properties for a single level, so that the second property value is used if the first one is empty? So if I have a tag with:

Artist: Michelle Branch
Alt Artist: Branch, Michelle

The scheme would show:

Artist
  Branch, Michelle

But if my tag only contains:

Artist: Michelle Branch
Alt Artist:

Then the same view scheme would produce

Artist
  Michelle Branch

Rather than

Artist
  (unassigned)

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Re: Feature: Using last-name-first
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2002, 07:00:46 am »

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For more flexibility and better alphabetical sorting, I want to change the format of my artist and album names to a format like this:

From

Artist: Michelle Branch
Album: The Spirit Room

To

Artist: Branch, Michelle
Album: Spirit Room, The

OK, apart from being a monotonous task, it can be done. But I'd like MJ to be able to support new keywords for view-schemes and rename-from-property that automatically convert these back when reading them out of the database. The technique is simple enough - just scan the string for ", " and if found discard it and swap left and right substrings.

Then I could have two view schemes like so:

Artist/Album
  Branch, Michelle
     Spirit Room, The

Artist (First Name)/Album
  Michelle Branch
     The Spirit Room


My Gonkulator Plug-In program does this for Artist Name. Never thought of The Album Name
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Re: Feature: Using last-name-first
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2002, 07:36:32 am »

I knew the Gonkulator would do this but I was trying to think of a way to do it without actually changing the original tag data.  For me this was the main reason I didn't convert all my files with the Gionkulator as I still wanted the original data maintained.

Adam
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Re: Feature: Using last-name-first
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2002, 08:03:28 am »

yea ok, maybe when Matt gets the new SDK for MJ9 out close to MJ9 release i could make a plugin to do this.

right now data in user created fields like Custom1-3 and any new fields can not be written too from a plug-in.

i asked matt for an option to create fields from a plugin (not sure if that will happen) and then all the data could be written to that field.

we will need to wait and see
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Re: Feature: Using last-name-first
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2003, 12:25:35 pm »

I asked about this very feature months ago. I just want to second or third this functionality.

I too want to be able to reverse First Name Last Name but only as a view, not to the data in the artist, song or album field. The ability to take values from one database field, perform a function on them and then dump the result in another field would be invaluable. I already created a sort field and started doing this by hand but I have 10s of thousands of songs and gave up after about 16 hours of manual data manipulation realising I was only about 1/20 of the way there.
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Re: Feature: Using last-name-first
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2003, 04:45:55 pm »

I, too, would love some feature of this nature. Right now, my tree view for my artist/album view scheme is sort of ridiculous seeing as how my "the" artists are in the t's and artist names are by first name. And yeah, I don't want to change that artist field data because I like it displayed how it is now in my track info pages and what not...I just want to be able to sort it more logically in the tree.

If the tree view had a "sort by" option, I would certainly take the time to make a new "sort" field and manually put in the "last, first" and "band, the" info into that for artists that needed it. However, this might be a lot of work for people who have way more music than I do.
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Re: Feature: Using last-name-first
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2003, 09:05:56 pm »

Album View does both the Album and Artist name.
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