Topic: NEW Plugin: Mood and Style Plugin (dead project) (Read 13447 times)

MrHaugen · « **on:** September 01, 2007, 07:34:04 am »

I have created a new plugin for automatic and manual tagging of style, mood and themes, based on each track.
The plugin stores all tags both localy and on a publicly available database server for automatic downloading of tags later.

This beta preview is only made to illustrate the manual tagging part of the plugin. The actual connection to the database server are broken for now. Need some more work on my web service to get it fully functional outside my own LAN.
This plugin depends on a library field called "Mood" for now (might change later on). Read the "Important!" section of the plugin for instructions on how to create a custom field.

Screenshot of the plugin:
Mood and Style Beta preview pic 1
Mood and Style Beta preview pic 2

EDIT(updated to new version):
You can download the plugin here (link broken for the moment):
http://www.kirkegata.com/div/Mood and Style Plugin3.rar

Any feedback is appreciated.

mlefebvre · « **Reply #1 on:** September 01, 2007, 08:11:26 am »

Hi,

Thanks for this plugin. I can't wait to use it.

I installed the plugin but I'm getting "Internal application error" when starting MC. Hitting "OK" allows MC to start and play normally. If I then hit "Mood and Style Plugin" in the tree, I once again the same error message box.

After uninstalling the plugin, re-starting MC give me a different error: "Interface Plug-in "Mood and Style Plugin" is not the correct version". If I go to the Plug-in manager, "Mood and Style Plugin" is not listed.

In the plugin folder, there are 5 files: "Copy of MC_VBNETPlugin_Template.dll", "Copy of MediaJukeBox.dll", "MC_VBNETPlugin_Template.dll", "unins000.dat" and "unins000.exe".

I'm running 12.0.318.

Keep it coming!

...Michel

KingSparta · « **Reply #2 on:** September 01, 2007, 08:30:02 am »

It Don't Work, This Is The Only Message I Get

Error: Internal Application Error

MrHaugen · « **Reply #3 on:** September 01, 2007, 08:50:59 am »

Obviously, this is my first plugin

Never used this inno setup application before.
I'll check it out and let you know.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #4 on:** September 01, 2007, 09:09:13 am »

Peculiar, it worked the first time here,
and then i got the same thing, internal application error.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #5 on:** September 01, 2007, 09:34:04 am »

So, I've reverted most things to the "template" name scheme as provided by Mr Chriz' template plugin. There are probably some problems with name or version number that's not set the same everywhere.
Download the file again. I have updated it.

Uninstall the old plugin from plugin manager and the uninstall file in the plugin folder to be sure. Then install updated version.
Tested the old one on another machine and got an error my self. The new one will probably work better.

You need .Net 2.0 for this plugin to work.

KingSparta · « **Reply #6 on:** September 01, 2007, 10:21:27 am »

Now It Loads Up Without The Error

KingSparta · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2007, 10:33:13 am »

Don't See It Working, here Is A Error

MrHaugen · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2007, 10:55:41 am »

I have updated the plugin again. It was the wrong install file

But I can't really see why there should be an SQL connection atempt at the startup of the plugin.
Please report back if it continues. I'd have to look some more.

KingSparta · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2007, 10:58:29 am »

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But I can't really see why there should be an SQL connection atempt at the startup of the plugin.

It was not at the start up, i was atempting to get information for a file.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #10 on:** September 02, 2007, 06:07:22 am »

Quote from: KingSparta on September 01, 2007, 10:58:29 am

It was not at the start up, i was atempting to get information for a file.

Good. That's not supposed to work yet. My web service is not finished. So the second tab "Import Tags From Database" will not work.
The two groups on the bottom of the page does not work either. They are just for my testing purouse. Was to lazy to get rid of it

Only the first tab for local tagging and the two last info tabs will work as expected.

It's just supposed to give you an idea of the local tagging system so you might give me a few pointers of what you think. Mood/styles wich are no good, or common style/moods you miss etc.
I'll finish the full database integration later on. Probably within the month or so.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #11 on:** September 03, 2007, 02:34:19 am »

Just to prevent further confusion. Here are the new version:
http://www.kirkegata.com/div/Mood and Style Plugin2.rar

MrHaugen · « **Reply #12 on:** September 04, 2007, 02:14:59 pm »

Hey guys. You've given up already? Please bare with me...
I really need a few pointers before I finish my web service and database. If there should be any major changes in tag types etc. Changing many of them later on will be a pain in the ***...

- Carl

KingSparta · « **Reply #13 on:** September 04, 2007, 05:18:58 pm »

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Hey guys. You've given up already?

No, But let me know when it is somewhat working, and I will test it Again.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #14 on:** September 04, 2007, 05:59:43 pm »

Been really busy over the past couple of days, not had a chance to try it,
will give it ago again when I get a chance.

Real Life really does have me hook line and sinker at the moment!
Horrible big decisions are coming up like whether to buy a house or not!

MrHaugen · « **Reply #15 on:** September 06, 2007, 10:47:09 am »

Quote from: KingSparta on September 04, 2007, 05:18:58 pm

No, But let me know when it is somewhat working, and I will test it Again.

It should be working as it is, but the parts that require database connection is not finished (tab number 2). It was foolish to release a plugin with parts that do not work; even if it's a preview of the beta.

Quote from: Mr ChriZ on September 04, 2007, 05:59:43 pm

Been really busy over the past couple of days, not had a chance to try it,
will give it ago again when I get a chance.

Real Life really does have me hook line and sinker at the moment!
Horrible big decisions are coming up like whether to buy a house or not!

I understand. That's gotta be more exciting than testing new plugins

Good luck with your house decisions.

I have made another version where I have disabled everything that's not supposed to work.
You can find it here:
http://www.kirkegata.com/div/Mood and Style Plugin3.rar

It's just supposed to give you a feel of the tags I have chosen, and the way it's done. Please comment if there are things that's not logical. I'll have to make it the way most users find it usefull.

KingSparta · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2007, 02:21:53 pm »

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Horrible big decisions are coming up like whether to buy a house or not!

Never Buy A Adjustable Mortgage, That's Why We Currently Have A Crises With Many People Defaulting On there Mortgages.

On My Street Out Of 12 Houses We Currently Have 4 Homes With A Foreclosure Notice Taped To There Door.

The Bad Thing For Me Is The Dandelions Are Running Rampant On The Adjacent Lots.

I Can't Spray The Neighborhood.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #17 on:** September 07, 2007, 08:42:47 am »

Quote from: KingSparta on September 06, 2007, 02:21:53 pm

The Bad Thing For Me Is The Dandelions Are Running Rampant On The Adjacent Lots.

I Can't Spray The Neighborhood.

Hehe, cheers for the advice

MrHaugen · « **Reply #18 on:** September 22, 2007, 05:34:23 am »

Nobody have the 10 minutes it takes to test this one out?
As I said, I need a few inputs before I lay down the many hours it takes to finish this plugin.
Or else I might have to do it all over again.

dgiffen · « **Reply #19 on:** September 23, 2007, 09:13:23 am »

I think you are on to something here. This is an excellent concept. I think a few more moods and styles are needed. More inline with the allmusic guide. Thank you for doing this.
DG

MrHaugen · « **Reply #20 on:** September 23, 2007, 01:18:38 pm »

It's just about done. Just need to know what people think about the mood/styles mainly.

My biggest consern are the number of mood/styles. If there are to many, people will loose track.
When you look at AMG there can easily be more than 20 mood/styles for each album. Would end up with hundreds of them...
I belive we have to keep the mood and style tags to the most used ones, to keep it simple for the end user.
The tagging process also takes alot longer time if more mood/styles are used. My hope is to keep it between 20-25.

Please come with suggestions of what else is needed, or what's not needed at all!

AoXoMoXoA · « **Reply #21 on:** September 23, 2007, 02:16:02 pm »

I too adopted AMG's format of Genre - Style as my guideline, but decided Mood was just too much more work and left it off.
So far I do not miss it, but would probably use it if it was to somehow magically appear in my tags.

And yes, there are way too many Styles alone in some cases, and Moods that many more on top.

Might I suggest using AMG's first 3 tags for each Styles & Moods, since I expect they are in a significant order as listed by them and would most strongly indicate without over-complicating.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #22 on:** September 23, 2007, 03:51:26 pm »

It is supposed to magically appear in your tags. If enough people upload their tags that is

AMG's 3 "styles" ARE significant, but they are not really styles. I belive most people would call them genres. I call most of them sub genre. Problem with genre is that everybody interpret each genre differnetly, and they are usually just there to describe an Artist or an album. When you use style, moods AND genre it would be very effective.

I'm not planning on making a plugin for genre tagging. Tagging genre on a album or artist level is easy enough without a plugin. Does not take that many hours.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #23 on:** October 01, 2007, 04:11:56 pm »

Thanks for all your suggestions

Never mind, I'll get some buddies to test it out. I'll try to finished it within a month or so.

AoXoMoXoA · « **Reply #24 on:** October 01, 2007, 06:03:55 pm »

Quote from: MrHaugen on September 23, 2007, 03:51:26 pm

AMG's 3 "styles" ARE significant, but they are not really styles. I belive most people would call them genres. I call most of them sub genre. Problem with genre is that everybody interpret each genre differnetly, and they are usually just there to describe an Artist or an album. When you use style, moods AND genre it would be very effective.

I think you misunderstood what I meant:

Since AMG can have quite a number of items under STYLES, why not only use the first 3 style tags in the list.
Same with MOODS, grab the top 3 in the Moods list.

This should give enough info to be useful without overload.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #25 on:** October 02, 2007, 09:00:14 am »

I think you're mixing up styles with moods.
Styles on AMG is, as I said, often reffered to as genre og sub genre. I will not be using those.
When it comes to moods, yes, you are right. The first 3 of the moods might be significant.
I'll check out some of them and try to use some of them if they are usefull.

AoXoMoXoA · « **Reply #26 on:** October 02, 2007, 11:53:18 am »

nope, no confusion at all . . . .
using styles allows Genres to e kept to a minimum for easy initial breakdown: Rock or Jazz for example.
Then, one can further refine their search with the sub-genre's AMG refers to as Styles.
Within the Styles sub-genre are any number of moods, although possibly limited by the styles (Emo style of Rock is not usually expected to be in the Mood of "Exuberant" or "Energetic")

Do you get what I mean?

This is how I use the fields I have now, and would forsee this with the addition of Moods to my pre-existing Genres and Styles.
I basically copied AMG as a reference or starting point as well as to alleviate indecision when something is kind of on the line.
In the interim, I have found it to be a great asset and an valuable tool in selecting unfamiliar music.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #27 on:** October 02, 2007, 04:24:24 pm »

I get it.
My mood and style tags will be what you are reffering to as moods. It can be used as an addition to your tags, and it will make smartlists based on all those tags pretty nice.
I will not include the styles from amg, but I have picked out all my tags from amg moods and tried to sort out the most important ones.

Again, if any of you find that there are important tags that are missing from my plugin, or there are important ones missing, please let me know.

Streaker · « **Reply #28 on:** October 22, 2007, 12:40:00 pm »

I'm psyched to try this plugin but I'm getting an authentication prompt when accessing your site.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #29 on:** October 22, 2007, 05:20:04 pm »

Quote from: Streaker on October 22, 2007, 12:40:00 pm

I'm psyched to try this plugin but I'm getting an authentication prompt when accessing your site.

Yes. I can see that. Something is obviously wrong with my IIS server. The anonymous access to be spesific.
I'll see what I can do with it when I get some free time. A working beta with database access will hopefully be available in a couple of weeks.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #30 on:** November 07, 2007, 04:30:48 pm »

Just wanted to let you know that it can take a bit longer to than I hoped get a fully working beta ready.
I'm just loaded with work right now. Started on a new job last week, and have about 12 MS certificate exames to look forward to... Back to school for me. Bah!

Getting a new server in a week or so (that's why I haven't bothered to look at the problem with my web server right now).
I'll let you know when I get my new VMWare IIS server up and running.
Then you can at least download the beta preview, if you want to have any impact on the development.

Hope to give you the working beta as a christmas present.

So long

hit_ny · « **Reply #31 on:** November 08, 2007, 04:14:46 am »

Can anyone post a screenshot of this ?

MrHaugen · « **Reply #32 on:** November 08, 2007, 07:35:27 am »

Quote from: hit_ny on November 08, 2007, 04:14:46 am

Can anyone post a screenshot of this ?

I made two links available in my initial post.
It's not as good to look at pictures as it is to try it out first hand, but I think you will get the idea.

Picture 1 is the part hver you tag your own music from playing now.

Picture 2 shows the database integration part, where you can upload your tag data to share with others. The plugin will also search for tags uploaded by others download them to your tracks. You can also choose not to overwrite your own tags (will be set as default I think) and to only download tags that have been "normalized". - The plan is to make an application who finds the middle value of 5 uploaded tag sets (1 tag set from 5 different users).

EDIT: The pictures is pretty rough. There will probably be some changes on the design. And there will be some changes to tha types of moods/styles (after a few user feedbacks).

neFAST · « **Reply #33 on:** November 08, 2007, 07:38:09 am »

Could we mix your plugin with my trackinfo? I mean getting tags from last.fm ....

MrHaugen · « **Reply #34 on:** November 08, 2007, 07:55:13 am »

Quote from: neFAST on November 08, 2007, 07:38:09 am

Could we mix your plugin with my trackinfo? I mean getting tags from last.fm ....

So your plugin gets tags from last.fm?
Mine doesn't, and probably never will. I ain't got the time to try your plugin out right now, so I can't say anything for sure, but I belive there would be some trouble if we tried to merge this plugins. Maby not exactly what you ask for, but I'll try to explain my thoughts, as I know little of yours or your plugin.

My plan is to use a few tags only. The way AMG and last.fm uses tags, and the number of them makes it almost impossible to use the tags for anything usefull. There are just to many; at least on AMG. Not a frequent user of last.fm..
Genre is another discussion, but will probably not be included in my plugin. I think the best way is to categorize artists/albums with genre and use Style/moods for each track. Finding genres for artist/ablums is not that time consuming, and varies to much from person to person that you could make a usefull plugin (imo)

So what I'm saying is; my plugin will be used for styles and moods that most people can relate to. It will become a tool to easily make smartlists that fill most of the everyday needs (if it's any popular. I will use it my self for my high rated songs anyway, so it's no loss either way).

If you have any suggestions, I'm open for it

neFAST · « **Reply #35 on:** November 08, 2007, 09:55:41 am »

I have 2 things to add:
- try my plugin (it takes 10sec to download and another 10sec to install it) BTW it's not a plugin but a template for the trackinfo plugin
- last.fm gives us a list of tags AND their ponderation. So those tags comes from different real humans listeners and you can eliminate irrelevant one by setting a treshold on the ponderation.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #36 on:** November 08, 2007, 02:15:02 pm »

Quote from: neFAST on November 08, 2007, 09:55:41 am

I have 2 things to add:
- try my plugin (it takes 10sec to download and another 10sec to install it) BTW it's not a plugin but a template for the trackinfo plugin
- last.fm gives us a list of tags AND their ponderation. So those tags comes from different real humans listeners and you can eliminate irrelevant one by setting a treshold on the ponderation.

I tried it. Nice work! I'll use this for sure. Might need a little tweak for my 720P projector, but that should be rather simple I think.
It's great the way you get info on albums, top tracks, similar artists and tracks as well as the the biography. That's really handy, but when it comes to the genre part, it's a mess.
At least for Fu-Gee-La with Fugees (and I belive it's the same for lots more). Can't copy the genres to show you, but there is a TON of genres. And not even ONE of the major ones it the correct one. Wich I belive is Reggae.
That's why I belive it's better to enter the genres your self per Album basis.

My plugin will NOT cover genres, but rather put the tracks in situations you would like to listen to them.
I belive this trackinfo will work well side by side with my plugin. Not merged together, but as two different things. The uses seems to be quite different.
Mine is used for tagging, and yours is used for retriewing usefull info for each track. It did not update any of my tags, or am I mistaken?

It would probably be easy to show the Mood/Style tags in your track info, but I belive the main use for my tags would be making smartlists witch fits the right situation.

Please correct me if I'm wrong

KingSparta · « **Reply #37 on:** January 07, 2008, 12:10:09 pm »

Is This Dead?

MrHaugen · « **Reply #38 on:** January 08, 2008, 02:03:18 am »

No. Not at all, but my new job have been keeping me really busy lately.
As a new employed I have a trial period of 3 months (I think). Need to work hard to impress you know

I might get some time to finish it after that. So, in 1-2 months maby.. I'll post something at that time.

darichman · « **Reply #39 on:** January 08, 2008, 05:46:32 am »

MrHaugen, I have most of my albums tagged with Genres and Styles and Moods from AMG
Would be happy to upload the info to your database, but was wondering - would it fit with your moods/styles and would you be interested in the AMG data (I know you said you found it a bit unwieldy)?

MrHaugen · « **Reply #40 on:** January 08, 2008, 06:00:03 am »

Quote from: darichman on January 08, 2008, 05:46:32 am

MrHaugen, I have most of my albums tagged with Genres and Styles and Moods from AMG
Would be happy to upload the info to your database, but was wondering - would it fit with your moods/styles and would you be interested in the AMG data (I know you said you found it a bit unwieldy)?

First of all, I would be very happy if lots of users upload their tags. But the problem is that it not just as simple as uploading the tags you allready have. My plugin is based on a set of predefined tags selected from some of AMG's hundreds and hundreds of tags. So you will need to pick the appropriate style/mood and bass/speed of the tracks you care about. You will end up with a list style of different style and moods, and can make smartlists based on this with expressions containing "and" and "or" logic etc.
As I have said before; I will be using this my self for my top rated songs. But the more people that use it, the easier and more accurate it will be.

I found the AMG tags a bit unwieldly, yes. Just to many of them. Would never be able to make a good style/mood plugin that would turn up any good resault I think. That's why I have tried to cut them down to just above 20 of the most common ones.

darichman · « **Reply #41 on:** January 08, 2008, 06:08:27 am »

Sure thing. When I get some time off I'll have a look at it and upload as much as I can.
Thanks for the plugin

MrHaugen · « **Reply #42 on:** January 08, 2008, 07:26:03 am »

Any versions out now will not work with my database (moving my servers to virtual servers this days), and some tags might be changed later on.
Would be wise to wait with the tagging untill I release something newer. This beta preview was only inteded as a look at the moods and style tags I have chosen.

mats2508 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 24, 2008, 08:16:24 am »

Hey, that´s one of my most wanted features. I like to test your plgin, but the link is dead. Where can I find a working download link, please?

Thanks,
Matthias

MrHaugen · « **Reply #44 on:** January 24, 2008, 08:26:55 am »

Same here. That's why I wanted to make one

People got confused when the connection to my database server did not work. That's why I do not longer have it on the page. It was just to show the GUI.

There is not much work left. Probably a weekend to get it up and running for a beta, but for now I have way to much to do.
Also waiting for the RTM of Windows server 2008 before I can get the database and web server up and running (want to run Hyper-V to virtualize the servers).

So, when this things is out of the way I will get to it. Hopefully in a few weeks.

Just subscribe to the topic, and I'll let you all know when I have something.

MrHaugen · « **Reply #45 on:** March 28, 2008, 06:06:21 am »

Another delay I'm afraid.
I'm setting my self a deadline at the end of the summer holliday, but hopefully it will be done much sooner.

Lasse_Lus · « **Reply #46 on:** February 26, 2009, 04:41:32 pm »

Quote from: KingSparta on September 06, 2007, 02:21:53 pm

Never Buy A Adjustable Mortgage, That's Why We Currently Have A Crises With Many People Defaulting On there Mortgages.

On My Street Out Of 12 Houses We Currently Have 4 Homes With A Foreclosure Notice Taped To There Door.

The Bad Thing For Me Is The Dandelions Are Running Rampant On The Adjacent Lots.

I Can't Spray The Neighborhood.

i was looking for this plugin..seems to be dead or ?

..anyway king, you were so right (i hope you did something with your knowledge)

MrHaugen · « **Reply #47 on:** February 27, 2009, 09:12:53 am »

Quote from: Lasse_Lus on February 26, 2009, 04:41:32 pm

i was looking for this plugin..seems to be dead or ?

The project is not dead, but the link is. People thought the beta was supposed to work, so I had to remove it. It was just a way of getting feedback on the actual tags. Some day I will finish the plugin. It's just that I've had a crazy time with Microsoft Certifications, and I have to admit I've used a few hours to play Age of Conan as well

Due to the time limitation on the 2003 server certs, I have to be finished in March or April. So, it's a good chance I'll finish my project some time after that.

xplain · « **Reply #48 on:** August 22, 2012, 04:23:01 am »

I'm sure I would have loved this plugin.

Is it to old to pick up again

Or maybe as You said here http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=73934.0
JRiver could pick it up and make a system like it.

Thomas

MrHaugen · « **Reply #49 on:** August 22, 2012, 05:11:44 am »

I don't know how much the underlaying API have changed. But there's a risk that some things have changes. Especially with the preparations for the Mac conversion perhaps? Anyway... It's been 4-5 years since I touched this. So even if NOTHING was changed, I think I would have a real challenge understanding how the code works again. Even if it's commented here and there. And to be frank, I do not have enough time or programming interest to hope to complete it. So I'm afraid it is very dead. It could have been a been a useful plug-in. We'll probably never know...

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Author Topic: NEW Plugin: Mood and Style Plugin (dead project) (Read 13447 times)