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iPhone 3G support?
glynor:
--- Quote from: BartMan01 on September 09, 2008, 10:15:51 pm ---The 2.1 software is out now (at least for the Touch). I am running Quicktime 8 and 2.1 on my Touch - no drive access. There is a (free for a few more days) app called 'Air Sharing' that uses WebDAV to apparently allow you to easily store/share/retreive files on your device - but that would not help with the syncing issues.
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The best WebDAV App is called "Files". Works great, but isn't free. DataCase is a close second.
Oh, and I assume you mean iTunes 8 (since Quicktime 8 doesn't exist). On that note, warning to all those who are considering bumping to iTunes 8. The library format has changed, and it breaks compatibility with iTLU. There is also no easy way to roll back to 7.1.1 without deleting your library (unless you have a backup).
I discovered this when I updated tonight on a whim. Bad idea. Sucks though, because I think you have to upgrade to 8 to get the new 2.1 firmware. We'll see on Friday when it comes out for the iPhone.
punkapotente:
There are already free applications for PC which give you access to the media (or even root in case of a jailbroken device) partition of the iPhone/iPod touch for firmware 2.x using USB (AppStore apps are not allowed to use USB). For example: iPhoneBrowser - http://code.google.com/p/iphonebrowser/ or DiskAid - http://www.digidna.net/diskaid/
Both give you read/write disk access to the device, but you have no way of accessing the things you copy on there from the iPhone since the music player is limited to the proprietary library stored in an deliberately complicated format.
I think the major technical hurdle is to figure out the hashing mechanism used for the library. Apparently there are people trying to reverse engineering Apple's hasing scheme, but I have no idea what the current state is, see: http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash
I believe the important question for many people (including me) is:
Is JR saying "We are focussing on improving MC as a desktop media center with support for mobile devices which are not trying to actively prevent this. Apple is trying to lock us out and we think our product is convincing enough on its own, so it's not worth the effort to try to circumvent that."
This what I sense from JimH's brief responses. It is - of course - a valid position on the issue and I can fully understand it. However, it would also be interesting for people considering purchasing MC13 to know what JR's definite plan is in that respect.
BTW. Another option worth considering would be to develop your own JRMCMobile for iPhone/iPod touch which does not interact with the iTunes library at all. This would give you full control over syncing and could be really cool. To act as a full replacement for Apple's music player, however, this would probably still require a jailbreak-application and not an official AppStore app.
P.S. I only recently registered and haven't posted much, but I do follow the forum for quite some time now.
stubbsy:
--- Quote from: JimH on September 09, 2008, 07:00:53 am ---Tell Apple. They've locked it down.
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Jim thanks for the bad news. I am probably almost as pissed at Apple as you are about this. Guess I can stop holding my breath for a fix eh ;)
Given that a fix is not likely can you at least make MC NOT recognise my phone as a device. Even with the latest version my phone gets cratered if MC sees it which is a real PITA.
glynor:
--- Quote from: punkapotente on September 10, 2008, 01:13:11 am ---I think the major technical hurdle is to figure out the hashing mechanism used for the library. Apparently there are people trying to reverse engineering Apple's hasing scheme, but I have no idea what the current state is, see: http://bluwiki.com/go/Ipodhash
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However, in order to make using an iPhone/Touch (and probably the new generation of iPods released yesterday too) with MC possible, there is another way that doesn't require hacking at all.
Apple publishes an API for iTunes. It is fully scriptable and can be easily controlled by external applications, and this is a supported use. MC could use iTunes as a "proxy" handheld. Simply set iTunes to "sync all" to the iPhone/iPod and have the full iTunes library controlled by MC's handheld function. When you "sync" from inside MC, it would launch iTunes (loading a library specific to the actual device you're syncing), then update the iTunes library to match the files in the handheld queue, and then initiate the sync to the connected device.
This certainly wouldn't be ideal for most iPods, and full-on native support would be best, but it would certainly be better than nothing. And, honestly, for an iPhone/Touch it might actually be better than native support, because of all the other things that iTunes syncs to the device (not the least of which are the applications in the App Store). In fact, for my iPhone, if given the choice between native MC support and using iTunes as a handheld, I'd certainly choose the latter. With native support, every time I wanted to add an App via iTunes, I'd have to wipe the phone (because iTunes is stupid and locks the phone to one iTunes library). And what about syncing Bookmarks and Contacts (and email for people who need to use that feature)? Unless JRiver intends to crack and emulate the entire iTunes syncing functionality, including App Store support, (extremely unlikely) then this workaround would be vastly superior.
Plus, implementing it and updating it when Apple changes things would be much easier, because they publish the API. The API probably goes out of date and doesn't contain everything you need, but has got to be better than shooting completely in the dark and hacking in native support (which they'll just break again with the next iPhone OS release).
punkapotente:
... and what makes you think that Apple - after putting considerable effort into locking out their competitors out - would publish an API which gives them access again? I'm quite sure that this won't happen. The point why they are doing this is because they want people to exclusively use iTunes to manage their library and use it as an advertising tool for their music store.
As for the other suggestion: sure, somehow exporting to an iTunes library just for sync'ing is better than nothing. But it's still nowhere near the convenience that I had with my old iPod which synced just fine with MC. I know this is exclusively Apple's fault, so maybe I just shouldn't have bought their product ... still, if JR comes up with a good solution, I'd be more than happy to pay for it.
For me personally, I could do very well without iTunes: EMail, Calender, and Contacts are all synced online without iTunes being involved. Applications can also be installed directly from the store app on the device.
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