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Vlad

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Some successes to share...
« on: July 17, 2002, 09:18:14 pm »

Hi all.  I have a dream...to replace the high-end CD player with a high-end DAC fed by a laptop (or sexy little workstation with plasma screen...one day) plugged into the home network as my primary audio source for the home.

I discovered MJ and APE late last year and the dream came a little closer to reality but storage was still a bit expensive (here in Australia) so it remained on the back burner.  As of about a month ago the project is all systems GO.  

I've now got a prototype system running and have finally found workarounds for all the challenges that I've come across (so far).

The data and database (library) are held on an old P233MMX with 256Meg of RAM running Win2000 Server and a 3x40Gig RAID-5 array.  This box has no sound card.  My main workstation is a dual 1Gig PIII with 512Gig of RAM running Win2000 Pro.  There is also another PIII 500 running Win98SE on the network (kid's PC). All network connections are 100mbps full duplex.

The file server doesn't really have the grunt to rip and encode (in a reasonable time).  It also has no sound which makes library maintenance difficult as well, so all the work had to be done on my workstation.  I had a hell of a time trying to get MJ to play music, do library maintenance, rip and encode simultaneously.  As soon as the encoder kicked in, everything would grind to a halt.  It would finish eventually but MJ remained unresponsive for the half hour or more that it took.  Playing music was out of the question, let alone library maintenance.

Taking the network out of the equation made it better but still pretty unreliable.  Dropouts in audio, wild fluctuations and finally, slowing right down of ripping speed, intermittent stalling of MJ ("not responding").  All the while using hardly any CPU.

Then I discovered EAC and found that it too couldn't rip and encode to a network drive.  It had exactly the same symptoms as MJ.  But it would happily rip and encode to a local drive while MJ played music and allowed me to do library maintenance without a hitch.  I could then simply import the results into MJ (some workarounds required but I'll leave that for another post).  A breakthrough!!!

When I go to bed at night I simply do a find for "f:\" (my local ripping drive) select all and use the find/replace function in the properties dialogue to change all "f:\" to "m:\" (my network music drive).  MJ is pretty much unresponsive during this operation but I can live with that.  When I get up the files have been moved and library updated.  The biggest batch I've done so far has been over 5 Gig without incident.

So, after a month of removing hardware, reinstalling drivers, full system rebuilds and generally pulling my hair out I am finally DOING IT...realising the dream.  I can sit at my PC for hours, listening to music, feeding another CD into the drive every 5-6 minutes, making bit-perfect copies while organising my library (or catching up on Interact threads).  And the kids can listen to their own music at the same time.

Thanks JRiver, I'm as happy as the preverbial...  

P.S. Now that I've got that out of the way, I can post a few messages regarding the challenges and workaround I've had to deal with.
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Scronch

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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2002, 09:27:10 pm »

>I'm as happy as the proverbial...

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Vlad

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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2002, 09:32:15 pm »

Well, yes...but I'm rolling in it as well  
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Callithumpian

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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2002, 09:50:32 pm »

This is way it will be done - and soon.  Only more.  I believe the house itself will soon be digitally integrated.  The fridge will tell you as you drive home that you're out of milk.

We recently renegotiated our mortgage as part of a sell-house, buy-new-house sequence and factored in a bunch of spending money - 110cm screen and home theatre is next on the list.

But so far....
Similar setup here - 3 PC LAN, 9 pair of speakers throughout the house now - driven by 3 Amps which divide the house into 3 sound zones.
Tore the tapedeck out of the stereo cabinet and put a flash black desktop PC case in there.  LCD monitor on top.  This is the main playcenter.
Any PC can supply a source to any amp - or all three.
One machine is boss of the database and it rips.  Its in the study - don't really use it for much these days.
However, our LAN (we brought it with us from the old house) is only 10mbps and so all music is lossy compressed (mp3) - elsewise it just would not work.  This also means that ripping a CD is a 15 minute or so exercise.
Nonetheless I'm pretty pleased right now, but may have to upgrade to your calibre of superior LAN and lossless encoding sometime soon.

Aussies Rule!  Me, Brisbane. You?
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Scronch

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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2002, 09:52:13 pm »



Happy to hear of your successes.  I'm having some as well.  

Scronch
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Vlad

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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2002, 12:17:44 am »

G'day Callithumpian.  Good to know there's someone else from our time zone here.  I'm in Sydney.


However, our LAN (we brought it with us from the old house) is only 10mbps and so all music is lossy compressed (mp3) - elsewise it just would not work. This also means that ripping a CD is a 15 minute or so exercise.


Does this mean that you are ripping and encoding to a nework drive?  Does MJ keep stalling when you do?


Nonetheless I'm pretty pleased right now, but may have to upgrade to your calibre of superior LAN and lossless encoding sometime soon.


Upgrading the LAN shouldn't be a problem given the cost of network cards.  All mine cost between $15 and $25.  But then, maybe that's the reason I'm having problems encoding to a network drive.  I don't know much about networking and no one has been able to explain to me the difference between a $15 NIC and a $100 NIC.
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Vlad

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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2002, 12:42:59 am »

Good to hear, Scronch.  So tell us about them.
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Scronch

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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2002, 01:43:27 am »

They have to do with the command scripts I've been working on.  Clicking on an icon to start MJ will preload it with a smartlist based on time of day.  Then, at specified times during the day, Playing Now is cleared, except for the current song, and the smartlist for that time of day is loaded up.  Songs that have been played before (since Recently Played was last cleared) are not included.  Obviously, JRiver is doing the hard work.  My efforts are discussed in a bunch of threads, like http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/interact/NeoBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=inter&Post=11886&BoardIdle=7&SortingBy=0&BoardOrder=Descend&Page=3&UserSession=&Marked= .  But now I've hit a snag: http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/interact/NeoBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=inter&Post=12144&BoardIdle=7&SortingBy=0&BoardOrder=Descend&Page=0&UserSession=&Marked= .  So I need some input from someone.  Anyway, the idea is to start up MJ and walk away for the rest of the day, and have it make the mix "harder" as the day grows long.

Scronch
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Vlad

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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2002, 02:11:44 am »

I see, Scronch.  I've actually saved a few of those posts in Word documents over the last week or so for future reference.  The idea of automatic musak is kinda interesting.  But it's a little soon for me to be worrying about such things yet.  Good luck.
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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2002, 03:18:27 am »

Because encoding to lossy formats seems to be pretty resource intensive I have never been so bold as to attempt to rip to a network drive.
I just meekly rip to the local and then use "Rename Files from Properties" to move the resulting output.
It might be an extra step, but it sounds like I may have inadvertently been saving myself a ton of grief.


no one has been able to explain to me the difference between a $15 NIC and a $100 NIC.
Don't look at me - can't help you.
One you tech-headed types, to whom we always look with reverence and awe for assistance, want to give us the basic drill?
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RE:Some successes to share...
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2002, 05:18:03 am »

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no one has been able to explain to me the difference between a $15 NIC and a $100 NIC.
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> Don't look at me - can't help you.
> One you tech-headed types, to whom we always look with
> reverence and awe for assistance, want to give us the basic drill?

Sure.  The difference is $85.
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