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[Scronch]

MJ8.0.315: When I highlight a group of files, and then choose "Playing Now > Add to end" while I have shuffle turned on, here is what I think would happen:

(1) The highlighted group would be shuffled.
(2) The shuffled new group is appended onto the existing playlist without re-shuffling anything in it.

But, it re-shuffles the entire Playing Now list.  In fact, it even moves the files above the current song below it, so they will get played again.

What am I doing wrong?

Scronch

Listening to: 'In the Blood' from 'Deluxe' by 'Better Than Ezra' on Media Jukebox

[Scronch]

Same behavior in 8.0.317.

[Gatobrit]

Scronch - you're right. This is aparently by design. Add to playing now as next to play and the list is not shuffled, add to the end and it is. Weird.

Recently there was a whole discussion of the shuffle feature (check out  ) and how it is over ambitious in it's need to shuffle any time you do anything to Playing Now. Matt agreed that this needed some work but I think this is on the back-burner until the next release.

[Scronch]

I can't imagine it belongs on the back burner when it shuffles already-played songs down and plays them again.  That has got to be a bug, not a feature.

Scronch

[Matt]

Just a difference of opinion.

For now, turning on shuffle mode means that you don't care about track order.

We'll revisit how shuffle works for version 9.

-Matt

[Scronch]

Matt, I don't think I agree that it's just a difference of opinion.  "Add to end" of Playing Now should definitely not re-shuffle the whole Playing Now list, resulting in songs that have already been played being set up to play again.  This could be "reasonable" (but still not preferable) if there was an option to constantly prune off the top of the Playing Now list, i.e. the currently playing song would always be at the top of the list.

Don't you agree?

Scronch

[Callithumpian]

I guess it's well known by now that I'm with Scronch, Gatobrit...and I would assume many others.

The "Playing Now" list is often carefully built up.
Just turning on shuffle should not mess with it.
In fact it should never be shuffled without explicit user requirement to do so.

Currently there is no way to add some randomised tracks to "Playing Now" without randomising the whole, often very carefully assembled existing "Playing Now".

This was not always so.  Once it worked properly.  You could turn shuffle on and tracks were shuffled, then added, leaving the order of the existing untouched.  At that time, if your wanted to reshuffle "Playing Now" you clicked it and then overtly indicated "Reshuffle". Perfect.  Common sense.

This current behaviour may be "by design" (a favourite MS euphemism when they dumb something down, by the way) but it is not good design.

Crikey, I love how easy it is to bold stuff now!

[Callithumpian]

3. Changed: Playing Now will no longer be reshuffled when adding files to the end with shuffle mode on

Crikey, I love this whole place!

[JimH]

Callithumpian,
> Crikey, I love this whole place!
> 06:27:56 P.M.

Let's see, subtract 8 hours, but it's tomorrow.  That makes it, more or less, give or take, 10:30 AM.  A little early for the odd pint of Foster's.  But thanks!

[Callithumpian]

Playing Now will no longer be reshuffled when adding files to the end with shuffle mode on

Hey you guys, you pulled the punch.
Just turning shuffle mode on still scrambles the blasted "Playing Now" list.
The change is great but its benefit is completely defeated since just hitting the shuffle button does the one thing we were trying to avoid.

[Scronch]

Yes, and as I mentioned in the "8.0.320 available" thread, MJ8.0.320 doesn't shuffle a group of songs added to the end of PN via Send To > Playing Now - Add (to end).  And then if I clear PN, and add a different playlist to PN, it is not shuffled enroute, even though shuffle is still on.  I think the shuffle function is a little messed up in this release, but my guess is they'll have it fixed in a day or two.

But there seems to be an underlying issue here.  Shuffle used to be essentially a black box that lists were either sent through or around enroute to Playing Now.  At first that confused me, but I came to love it.  Now it appears that JRiver may want a Reshuffle button, but is trying to implement it through the shuffle function.  I've thought about this awhile, and maybe the cleanest way to do this is to change the button at the bottom ot be a Reshuffle or Shuffle Now button, and to have within the right-click menu Send To > Playing Now > and Send To > Playing Now with Shuffle >, both having the same submenu below that.  The Playing Now with Shuffle would shuffle only the list being sent to Playing Now, not the entire PN list.

Just my 2 cents at this time...

Scronch

[KingSparta]

>> A little early for the odd pint of Foster's. But thanks!
Not Now....

A 12oz Bottle of foster's is setting right next to me.

I can hear it say "I Love You Mark"

[Callithumpian]

But there seems to be an underlying issue here. Shuffle used to be essentially a black box that lists were either sent through or around enroute to Playing Now. At first that confused me, but I came to love it. Now it appears that JRiver may want a Reshuffle button, but is trying to implement it through the shuffle function.

Scronch, you have cut away the flesh and exposed the conceptual bones, I think

[KingSparta]

Callithumpian

LOL

[Scronch]

I'll take that as a compliment, I think.  If I'd only been a surgeon...

[Callithumpian]

Just turning on shuffle shouldn't touch the order of "Playing Now".
There is a reshuffle function - that's its job.
You've walked 99 of the 100 miles necessary to make shuffle sensible again.
What about that last mile?

[Scronch]

bump for james bailey