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Open Letter to Steve Jobs -- Apple Flash Back
fitbrit:
I must say that I thought Steve Jobs made some very valid points.
Also, I know several developers of mobile apps who think the Android situation is a mess right now. I think a lot of the original post is fuelled by bitterness (understandably), which has little to do with Flash on Apple hardware. Flash is known to cause a lot of crashes on Macs. Whether it does so on a Windows PC is irrelevant when describing how stable it is on a Mac. Nowhere was it said that OSX was not proprietary; the comment was about using open web standards, not operating systems.
Diverdown1964:
Here's a fantastic letter that expounds on the root problem further:
http://calacanis.com/2009/08/08/the-case-against-apple-in-five-parts/
JimH:
--- Quote from: fitbrit on May 01, 2010, 11:39:32 pm ---Flash is known to cause a lot of crashes on Macs.
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If that is true, it is the OS that is at fault, in my opinion. A good OS should be able to defend itself.
glynor:
--- Quote from: JimH on May 02, 2010, 08:46:08 am ---If that is true, it is the OS that is at fault, in my opinion. A good OS should be able to defend itself.
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You misunderstand the quote, Jim. It never crashes the OS, just like Windows. OSX has a fully protected memory model, just like NT.
Flash does commonly lock up the browser(s) though (with the exception of Chrome, where it locks up only the tab where the crash occurred). When "the Steve" referred to crashing, he was referring to the data they get from the auto-generated error reports that OSX sends (with permission, just like Windows) whenever a process terminates unexpectedly. Even when it doesn't outright crash, if you get a bunch of tabs going on OSX or Linux that have Flash in them, it is pretty easy to bring the responsiveness of the browser to a crawl (and suck up unbelievable sums of memory).
Flash is NOT perfectly stable on Windows either. It's pretty easy to find examples of Flash with ActionScript that will crash Flash on Windows and bring down the browser if you look around. It just doesn't seem to happen as randomly on Windows as on OSX (or Linux). That's a resource allocation issue on Adobe's part. The OSX and Linux versions lag behind the Windows one, and just aren't as polished or stable when they're done.
bob:
Hey Glynor, I got an email from Mozilla a week or so ago that stated they have a version of Firefox (I forget the name) that does the same as Chrome, when a plugin (typically flash) goes bonkers in a tab it doesn't crash the browser.
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