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Fix Blu-Ray File Import Structure
jmone:
There is a summary thread of everthing to do with Blu-ray playback here --> http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=55171.0 and much of your questions are already answered, eg:
8: Blu-ray / HD-DVD Folder Structure Playback from MC Tells you what to import, how to tag a Blu-ray Structure
and there is heaps of discussion on what filters work well (or don't)
Daydream:
--- Quote from: JustinChase on February 10, 2011, 06:44:31 pm ---I installed MPC, select an MKV, and it plays without issue.
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That's not apples to apples. MPC comes with its own filters, it's unrealistic to expect JRiver to develop their own filters for every A/V format out there.
--- Quote ---and no, selecting "automatic" for playback method does not work, in fact, it crashes MC
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I think there is some truth here. Apologies to JRiver if this has been discussed, I took a break from reading. So.
1) What does "Automatic" mean for Playback method? The player will take the filter with the highest DS merit, and then work/fail? Will it take all the filters that declare they can deal with the given stream format, in every possible playback method across the board (and if still fail then report "Time to panic!")? How "automatic" is "automatic"? 'Cause the average folks may be mislead and think that is the holly grail, "close your eyes, it'll work somehow"
2) It doesn't help that I have 8 playback methods. Eight! I'll use the RealPlayer engine to decode my mkvs... 'cause I can! It's an option, it's right there, let's see maybe t...h...i...s o...n...e ooops! Not good. Maybe the QuickTime engine then? You get the idea. You can choose every option for every file format. Maybe there was some logic for this but it's not helping. Certain things should not be possible 'cause they are beyond reason.
3) The presentation of filter choices is maybe too complicated, especially for the average user. Click on any format, choose out of 8 playback methods, and then depending what you pick, 3 entries Source/Other/Video Renderers, each with its DS filters. I find these Playback methods to be the starting point of an overtly complicated way of configuring things. Why do we need some of them at all, and the rest like they are right now? In my mind "automatic" should show at least the implicit settings (filters) assigned to something ("system default" at the very least).
4) Will my choice of DS filters in MC be obeyed 100%, blindly? That Source/Splitter, those decoders, those renderers - attempt! If it fails I will know something is wrong with my choices (note: more explicit error messages might help). If it inserts something else silently in the chain because... that's the way the program wants it (I don't believe in dark magic), I will never know why it failed.
JustinChase:
--- Quote from: jmone on February 10, 2011, 07:05:59 pm ---There is a summary thread of everthing to do with Blu-ray playback here --> http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=55171.0 and much of your questions are already answered, eg:
8: Blu-ray / HD-DVD Folder Structure Playback from MC Tells you what to import, how to tag a Blu-ray Structure
and there is heaps of discussion on what filters work well (or don't)
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I'm not sure if this was directed at my or not, but thanks for the help if so.
That is a great thread with much valuable information, however, nowhere that i could find does it explain how to playback mkv files with chapter and subtitle support. I'm not interested in keeping the structure in tact, I much prefer just one file to manage :)
--- Quote from: Daydream on February 10, 2011, 08:28:51 pm ---That's not apples to apples. MPC comes with its own filters, it's unrealistic to expect JRiver to develop their own filters for every A/V format out there.
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maybe not apples to apples, but I would say video player to video player is a fair comparison.
I am not trying to argue, I think we mostly agree about this :)
I don't (necessarily) expect J River to develop their own filters, but I'm not sure why they can't use the ones MPC installs.
What I do expect is that J River take advantage of their vast knowledge of this subject, and do what is necessary with the tools available to them (ffdshow, CCCP, etc) and their experience of what does actually work for them, in their multiple testing environments and use that to make it at least somewhat kinda sorta easy for the average person to playback a MKV file. Yes, there can be several containers that can hold a blu-ray file, but MKV certainly seems to be the leader in this, as well as being the most complete; from what I can tell.
Matt has said in many instances that he has it working good for himself. I know others do also. Why does each and every single user have to learn this themselves???
Your other comments about "automatic" echo mine, and I find your questions quite relevant, so obviously I agree with you on this :)
Daydream:
--- Quote from: JustinChase on February 10, 2011, 08:53:16 pm ---Matt has said in many instances that he has it working good for himself. I know others do also. Why does each and every single user have to learn this themselves???
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Hehe, this is because of many things (in my opinion). JRiver relies heavily on a mess that's not their own (the DirectShow thingie). But it does affect their product, respectively, the more versatile they're trying to make it the more questions are being asked about the said mess. The only way to (relatively) insulate MC from this would be filters built inhouse (closed ecosystem), that could be packed with the application (which is not an option with DS filters because of licensing and other stuff). But I bet the moment that happens many will still demand DS for whatever reasons. We will invent new reasons if there won't be one. Also, every player out there (MPC, KMplayer, VLC etc included) that have it's own filters still can be brought to its knees (crash) with a certain, very logical otherwise, combination of factors. There is no wining.
On the other hand, there are the people. Very different people. If something interests me, I like to know how it works. Enjoying it, whatever "it" may be, it's not enough. All in good humor - I don't quite understand people that are not interested of the ins and outs of something they're excited about. It's like you enjoy it just for half of it. But that's just me. However, I totally understand people that don't have time to learn about how some entertainment app works. There is only that much time to do that and that every day. Then the argument that something should be simpler - if at all possible - kicks in with even more reason.
We can only hope that from all the opinions given in here something better will come out at some point :).
jmone:
--- Quote from: JustinChase on February 10, 2011, 08:53:16 pm ---I'm not sure if this was directed at my or not, but thanks for the help if so.
That is a great thread with much valuable information, however, nowhere that i could find does it explain how to playback mkv files with chapter and subtitle support. I'm not interested in keeping the structure in tact, I much prefer just one file to manage :)
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Sorry Justin this was more for the OP who wanted to manage a full file stucture.
File playback is earlier in the thread 3: File Playback in MC. I've just updated it with more recent info. No issues in playback of MKV with Subs and Chapters (see the pic I updated in the other thread)
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