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Matt:
Tag on import rules trump tags or Carnac.

glynor:

--- Quote from: rick.ca on November 03, 2011, 05:00:31 pm ---On reading your previous post, I was concerned you were reporting Carnac was overriding a rule you had set for [Name].

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No, I'd tried it (but then I ran into the file extension problem) and it didn't work.

But the REASON it didn't work (I didn't spell this out, because I was confused at first) was because of the "bad files list".  Like I said, until the change Matt just made (which should solve that problem once and for all), basically all of my imports except for MP3 downloads from Amazon ended up on the "bad files" list for a little while.

broncodan:
Is there a list of tags that are automatically filled? I can't imagine that it is filling all of them - lyrics, composers, etc..  This list might be helpful for those who are worried - I am in the same boat as Holmestead222.  I have put a lot of work into my existing tags and would be mad if they were changed (although it sounds like it only complete's blank tags).  A file that contains the changes/additions would also be nice to be able to review.

Gl3nn:

--- Quote from: broncodan on November 03, 2011, 06:09:01 pm ---A file that contains the changes/additions would also be nice to be able to review.

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+1

glynor:
To confirm:

1. It only changes completely blank tags.
2. It doesn't run "all the time".  This only happens when you import a new file, or when you manually kick it off using Fill Properties from Filename (Auto).

Basically, the worst it can do is change the standard behavior of how MC builds the [Name] tag on import, and maybe tag the files with [Media Sub Type] incorrectly.  Again, this will only happen for new files with blank fields.  If you import an already-tagged file (something tagged externally, or with another instance of MC), it will import those tags untouched.

And, if it turns out it is doing something you don't like, you can always override that behavior using the new Tag On Import rules.  So, one of the effects is that if you import a new 1 hour long video file that has a filename like this:  Breaking Bad - S04E03 - Open House.mkv

The file will come in like this:
[Media Sub Type]=TV Show
[Series]=Breaking Bad
[Season]=4
[Episode]=3
[Name]=Open House

That's pretty much perfect.  However, if for some odd reason you hate that and you want the [Name] tag to contain the original Filename on import, you simply add a Tag On Import rule for that watched folder that says:  Name: FileName(,0)

Tag On Import rules are applied after Carnac runs (so they override what Carnac did).  The FileName(,0) expression returns the source file's name minus the extension.

That's actually even better than the "old way" in MC16!  In MC16 if the file had certain pre-existing tag that MC could read (maybe inserted by your encoding application), MC would use those for the [Name] tag on import instead.  For example, I used to use AutoMKV to make a bunch of MKV files.  It tagged them all with a "created by AutoMKV version blah, blah, blah" in some embedded tag that MC16 would pick up and use as the [Name] tag.  So, if I imported 50 files made with AutoMKV, they'd all come in with identical, and useless, [Name] tags and I had to fix them using the Fill Properties from Filename tool.  Now, that wouldn't be necessary if I created a special watched "landing folder" for those files with a rule like described above.

So, I'd say play with it a bit before you make any judgements.  Again, it isn't going to just gallivant through your existing library files whacking fields here and there willy-nilly.  This only applies to new imports or to files you tell it to look at, so it should be pretty easy to get a feel for and keep under control while it is still developing.

Matt has also asked that if you have any files that Carnac DOES import incorrectly, to please post about it and they'll fix it.  There is a thread on the beta board where we've posted a few examples, and I imagine that they'll move that over to the public board once the new build goes live.

So, there really shouldn't be a reason to be concerned.  I think they certainly could give you an idea of what fields Carnac is currently "allowed" to touch, but the problem would be keeping that list up-to-date.  If, two months from now, they add a new feature to Carnac, and then someone comes back and says... But you said it was ONLY these fields!?!

But, I can give it a stab.  I haven't played with it much for Audio files.  But for video, it seems to touch at these fields primarily in the current iteration:
[Media Sub Type]
[Series]
[Season]
[Episode]
[Date]
[Name]
[Album] (this is actually the same as the longstanding behavior, but I suppose you could now call that part of Carnac)

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