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NEW: Improved OSD
MrHaugen:
I would not mind having an alternative menu, even though I would never use it. But with that said, it does not fully answer my question. Was it the first time they used MC? Did they not know there there was a menu available? Did they get lost in the menu? Did they not know how to do selections or how to activate things? My point is that there's several things that could be done to improve what's already here. Why bury the problems instead of solving them?
There's no menu when hitting the menu button (if not playing a DVD). What about an option of defaulting the menu command to bring the OSD up at the Audio and Sub selection page, and keep the menu up until the user hit menu again or the back/cancel button? At least increasing the time it's active. In case there is a real DVD menu available, use that one? Something like that. Just a quick suggestion. This would probably remove some of the problem people are having.
Next, as we've mentioned, you could remove auto activation on some items as audio and sub selection. That would reduce skipping and possible crashes.
When things such as these are fixed or improved, and people still have a problem, then I'll support a second menu option.
jmone:
Gents, much of hits debate is missing the point. Like 90% of the users on this forum we are Male Geeks (well some of you are nerds ;D ) and have no issues with adapting to various UI paradigms, oddities or knowing what to do to adapt to various issues, hangs, and inconvenience.
Last nights debacle was complicated by the crashes... but the bottom line is that:
- MC made my wife feel stupid trying to change a simple audio stream
- Same as the time before that trying to find a sub stream.
How may goes do you get with user before they form an opinion? What do you think her reaction will be to MC next time a stream needs changing, will she?
a) be excited at the coolness of using a PC do do all of this and confidently sail through the "NEW: Improved OSD"
b) ask me to change it
c) watch something on the Sat Box instread
d) put up with the wrong sub stream
.....It will not be a)
You know this debate is not a new one. We had the same on going "discussion" for years about replacing a list style TV EPG in TheaterView for a Grid and and there was huge reluctance on JR's part to adopt reluctance to adopt the industry std for such things. Like water torture, after years of nagging we got the Grid EPG and I'm yet to see a post from a single user begging to move back to the old list style.....so I'm sure we DVD Style Menu is coming.....it just may take awhile.
gvanbrunt:
I really don't understand the opposition to a full menu especially if it is on top of the existing one. Has JRiver tested the OSD on new users and found that they had no issues with it? I find that hard to believe as I see almost everyone that tries it on my HTPC a) struggle with using it and b) complain about it auto selecting streams. The only exceptions are computer geeks such as myself - at least for navigating it. I can't stand the auto selection though.
Maybe in other houses the WAF does not use the HTPC much, but in those that do it is really frustrating to be called over every 10 mins to show them how to select a stream etc. Or having to find the keyboard the wife hides "cause it's ugly" because it is easier than using the remote to go though 30 sub selections and have it hiccup each time.
raym:
--- Quote from: gvanbrunt on September 11, 2012, 06:28:26 pm ---I really don't understand the opposition to a full menu especially if it is on top of the existing one.
--- End quote ---
Me neither. The OSD is just that. It's not a menu. It's a quick way to get in and SEE stuff but has been expanded over time to also DO stuff. The later does not work reliably for everyone (for reasons already described).
It's not uncommon for CE devices (and other HTPC front-ends for that matter) to offer a similar "quick-menu" which is what we have today. But that little "menu" button on my remote should activate a more fully-fledged menu system when I need to make more substantial changes.
Cheers.
MrHaugen:
If it does not take days of development time, sure. Go for it. I don't ming. But please fix the current OSD before you start thinking of another menu.
As we've mentioned, removal of the auto activation of menu items should be the first step. Another thing would be to allow menu to bring up the OSD when there is no other menu, and to default the page to the subs and audio stream menu. Secondly I would look into what order the option pages is. I don't have a video with subs or audio stream here. But I believe that it's currently in this order:
- Volume
- Position
- Image options
- Audio/Sub Selection
I would at least put the Audio/Sub page before the Image options. As people usually hit down buttons because the OSD appears on the bottom of the page. That makes it faster to get to the page most people use. I can't imagine many use the Image options page.
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