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jmone:

--- Quote from: Hendrik on December 09, 2013, 12:18:30 pm ---Its certainly much less effort then starting from scratch, but still at least 2 weeks worth for a first draft, i would guess, plus ongoing fixes later on of course.
I'm not opposed to doing it, it would be a fun technical challenge, but needs a clear commitment. :)

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Sounds like a 2 week weight loss challenge.... what have we to lose!

I've tried to keep a low profile on this stuff for a few months and as Matt originally suggested when agitating for a this, he asked me to try training the family on just using the existing MC menu support.  I was sceptical as everyone was used to just pressing a "Menu" button, then selecting your choices.  I have to say Matt was 90% correct and in most cases this works fine.  The last 10% is still the problem as without a real menu you are still fumbling around trying to guess any of the following:
- Forced Subtitles (the ones that are not flagged as forced)
- Alternative vs Theatrical Endings
- Episodes on TV BD's
- "Bonus" content

All of these can really only be addressed by the logic in the Menu.  Now I don't care if it is just HDMV menus or Java menus or both or even another way of presenting this logic but it is a real limitation for the "Average" user that just wants to put in a disc and select any of this stuff reliably.  

One Q: I understand that HDMV menu support is more straight forward but do all disks have HDMV or are some Java Only (but then Gen 1 HW players would not get any menu either).  If HDMV is on all (or most) discs then just supporting reading and presenting this logic even as a part of the existing MC Menu system would be a great benefit.

My 2cents
Nathan

Hendrik:
From my experience many discs require Java, and don't have a HDMV fallback.
Of course you could use something like AnyDVDs "Speed Menus" to replace the Java menus with HDMV menus, but they don't do a perfect job on the special types of content you mentioned either.

Java Menu support in libbluray is still growing, and while it works on many discs already, it also doesnt work correctly on many others. Its a work in progress.
Admittedly I don't know how well it works yet exactly, since i lack the means to test. :) But i do read their changelogs occasionally to see whats happening.

jmone:
TBH I'm not keen on the "Speed Menu" option either.  I was under impression (easily wrong) that all disks should have a HDMV menu but can optionally have the Java one.  For me the real benefit would be getting the logic out more than replicating the Look and Feel. 

JimH:
I wonder if we could build an online database of user submitted menus and then use it when a movie or disc starts.

AndrewFG:

--- Quote from: JimH on December 10, 2013, 07:50:55 am ---I wonder if we could build an online database of user submitted menus and then use it when a movie or disc starts.

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Perhaps that would risk trouble with the studios concerning redistribution of copyright material?

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