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NoDigital

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How to debug bitstreaming problem - Bug in MC?
« on: January 17, 2015, 03:38:58 am »

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Is there any way I can see debug output from MC to trace an audio bitstreaming issue I'm having?

I'm trying to stream DTS-HD/TrueHD to my Pioneer SC-LX88 but even though it correctly reporting supports these formats, MC refuses.   I'd like to be able to see why MC thinks the receiver is not capable so I can get this bug fixed - Its a bug somewhere because Windows says its possible and so does the receiver when queried over HDMI.

This problem is driving me nuts because I have to keep switching bitstreaming for DTS on/off to correctly play DTS-ES/DTS-MA - DTS-ES has to be streamed otherwise its not recognised correctly in MC.  For MA7.1 sources I have to switch streaming off to get dtsdecoderdll to process the MA otherwise MC refuses to play the content.   I want *everything* bit streamed so it just works without trying to modify constantly.   So, when MC pops up the message saying playback isn't possible I want to know why.

If I select to bitstream, why can't MC just send the audio data over HDMI irrespective and just warn the user rather than preventing playback?

For information, below are details of whats published by the SC-LX88 according to Monitor Asset Manager (MAM).

Interestingly, using http://www.edidreader.com/ with the raw input block shows that where MAM is stating 16bit its not the case because no bit depth is explicitly stated.   The E-EDID Editor from Deltacast.tv  give an indication of what options can be set for each audio format (Found via this link:  http://openelec.tv/forum/68-audio/65894-fixed-hd-audio-my-guide-to-edid-editing )

Appears that TrueHD is in the E-EDID spec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data.   In the Deltacast editor this is shown as 'MAT', in the online decode its shown as 'MLP'.

So, can someone give an indication of how to solve this??

Hardware is Plait GTX750Ti, latest drivers, HDMI to SC-LX88.  Tried with WASPI, Direct Sound and various combinations of settings, all to no avail.

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Monitor Asset Manager Report, generated 09/01/2015
Copyright (c) 1995-2014, EnTech Taiwan.
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Monitor #1 [Real-time 0x0071]
  Model name............... SC-LX88
  Manufacturer............. Pioneer
  Plug and Play ID......... PIO0000
  Serial number............ n/a
  Manufacture date......... 2013, ISO week 0
  Filter driver............ None
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Digital
  Color bit depth.......... Undefined
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 2210 x 1250 mm
  Power management......... Not supported
  Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... Non-sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2.20
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.649 - Ry 0.342
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.326 - Gy 0.649
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.139 - By 0.050
  White point (default).... Wx 0.284 - Wy 0.334
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 15-91kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 23-90Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 170MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Not supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080i at 50Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported

EIA/CEA-861 Information
  Revision number.......... 3
  IT underscan............. Not supported
  Basic audio.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
  Native formats........... 1
  Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080p at 24Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2558 2602 2750 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #2....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 50Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1720 1760 1980 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
    1920 x 1080i at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080i at  50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1280 x  720p at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1280 x  720p at  50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
     720 x  480p at  60Hz - EDTV (4:3, 8:9)
     720 x  576p at  50Hz - EDTV (4:3, 16:15)
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - Default (4:3, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080p at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080p at  50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080p at  24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
  LPCM    2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48/88/96/176/192 kHz
  LPCM    8-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48/88/96/176/192 kHz
  AC-3    6-channel,  640k max. bit rate at 32/44/48 kHz
  DTS     7-channel, 1536k max. bit rate at 44/48/88/96 kHz
  SACD    6-channel                      at 44 kHz
  DD+     8-channel, 16-bit              at 44/48 kHz
  DTS-HD  8-channel, 16-bit              at 44/48/88/96/176/192 kHz
  DVD-A   8-channel, 16-bit              at 44/48/88/96/176/192 kHz

CE speaker allocation data
  Channel configuration.... 7.1
  Front left/right......... Yes
  Front LFE................ Yes
  Front center............. Yes
  Rear left/right.......... Yes
  Rear center.............. No
  Front left/right center.. No
  Rear left/right center... Yes
  Rear LFE................. No

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
  IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
  CEC physical address..... 1.1.0.0
  Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
  Supports 48bpp........... No
  Supports 36bpp........... Yes
  Supports 30bpp........... Yes
  Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
  Supports dual-link DVI... No
  Maximum TMDS clock....... 190MHz
  Audio/video latency (p).. n/a
  Audio/video latency (i).. n/a
  HDMI video capabilities.. Yes
  EDID screen size......... No additional info
  3D formats supported..... Mandatory formats only
  Data payload............. 030C001100B826208006281078109810

CE colorimetry data
  xvYCC709 support......... Yes
  xvYCC601 support......... Yes
  sYCC601 support.......... No
  AdobeYCC601 support...... No
  AdobeRGB support......... No
  Metadata profile flags... 0x01

Report information
  Date generated........... 09/01/2015
  Software revision........ 2.90.0.1000
  Data source.............. Real-time 0x0071
  Operating system......... 6.2.9200.2

Raw data
  00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,41,2F,00,00,01,01,01,01,00,17,01,03,80,DD,7D,78,0A,69,BE,A6,57,53,A6,23,
  0C,48,55,00,00,00,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,1D,80,18,71,1C,16,20,58,2C,
  25,00,1C,00,74,00,00,9E,01,1D,80,D0,72,1C,16,20,10,2C,25,80,1C,00,74,00,00,9E,00,00,00,FD,00,17,
  5A,0F,5B,11,00,0A,20,20,20,20,20,20,00,00,00,FC,00,53,43,2D,4C,58,38,38,0A,20,20,20,20,20,01,60,
  02,03,41,71,4A,05,14,04,13,02,11,01,10,1F,20,38,09,7F,07,0F,7F,07,15,07,50,3E,1E,C0,4D,02,00,57,
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Hardware data
  BUS_SLOT = PCI00000.PCI00004.PCI00008.PCI0000C.PCI00010.PCI00014.PCI00018.PCI0001C
  00000000 = 01508086.20900006.06000009.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000000
  00000008 = 01518086.00100007.06040009.00810010.00000000.00000000.00010100.2000E0E0
  000000A0 = 1E318086.02900406.0C033004.00000000.F7500004.00000000.00000000.00000000
  000000B0 = 1E3A8086.00100006.07800004.00800000.F751A004.00000000.00000000.00000000
  000000D0 = 1E2D8086.02900006.0C032004.00000000.F7518000.00000000.00000000.00000000
  000000D8 = 1E208086.00100006.04030004.00000010.F7510004.00000000.00000000.00000000
  000000E0 = 1E108086.00100006.060400C4.00810010.00000000.00000000.00020200.000000F0
  000000E8 = 1E268086.02900006.0C032004.00000000.F7517000.00000000.00000000.00000000
  000000F8 = 1E4A8086.02100007.06010004.00800000.00000000.00000000.00000000.00000000
  000000FA = 1E028086.02B00407.01060104.00000000.0000F071.0000F061.0000F051.0000F041
  000000FB = 1E228086.02800003.0C050004.00000000.F7515004.00000000.00000000.00000000
  00000100 = 0FC610DE.00100007.030000A1.00800010.F6000000.E000000C.00000000.F000000C
  00000101 = 0E1B10DE.00100006.040300A1.00800010.F7080000.00000000.00000000.00000000
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  00000300 = 816810EC.00100407.02000009.00000010.0000D001.00000000.F210400C.00000000
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NoDigital

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Work around - How to debug bitstreaming problem - Appears as bug in MC
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2015, 06:24:13 am »

The only solution found was to go into Player -> Playback options -> General Video Settings -> Advanced -> Custom -> custom mode settings.

The using Red October HQ as a base, Add... -> Audio Renderer (use disables all audio features)
Add the filter of the HDMI device.

In Audio -> bitstreaming I select HDMI (Not sure if this is actually relevant?)

Now when I play it correctly streams Atmos content, TrueHD, DTS-HD, etc and the receiver fully recognises it.   I have no idea on what difference this is when compared with the bitstreaming

I cant see why this works fine and yet the regular 'bitstreaming' functionality appears to have an EDID bug in it where it doesn't recognise the receiver functionality.   So, this appears to be a bug in MC and not related to the content or the receiver's capability.

Would appreciate a bug fix for this, though I doubt by the lack of response to my request, that this will happen...
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