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JimH:
I don't think Charles has the ability to change the schedule of firmware updates.  Neither does JRiver.  It's up to Pono to decide when to do it, and they need to err on the side of stability, not feature changes.

brucknerdoc:

--- Quote from: Charles Hansen on April 23, 2015, 01:05:46 pm ---Not only is Pono aware of the problem, they have already fixed it. They are just waiting for the next firmware update to include that fix. (Nobody wants to have a string of endless firmware updates to fix one single problem.)

In the meantime the work-around is to convert the file from .DFF format to .DSF format (or the other way around, I can't remember). If you do an internet search you will find software that can do this for you. One is the Philips format and the other is the Sony format. The Sony format has better metadata support.

Hope this helps,
Charles Hansen
Ayre Acoustics, Inc.

--- End quote ---

Contrasting opinion here. Sure, an endless string of FW updates would be annoying if all we were talking about is a feature or tweak or two here and there. But in the case of this DSD issue, we're talking about a problem in basic functionality that should be fixed with a FW update ASAP. It is disappointing enough that DSD support has been clumsily released without this issue being vetted in testing beforehand. But if a fix is available, not releasing the update until some other time in the future makes me wonder if Pono cares about the user experience here. Plenty of companies release an update just for a single issue if that problem critically hampers the basic functionality of the product. This is an issue of stability over features and to delay the release of the solution to handicapped playback of DSD files is disappointing. This is analogous to Charles releasing his QB-9 update for DSD, only to find out that it didn't fully work - and the fix would be coming down the road with the next feature-set upgrade.

BTW, since I use DSF files exclusively and have experienced this problem, the workaround must not be to convert DFF to DSF.

REShaman:

--- Quote from: brucknerdoc on April 26, 2015, 09:40:01 am ---Contrasting opinion here. Sure, an endless string of FW updates would be annoying if all we were talking about is a feature or tweak or two here and there. But in the case of this DSD issue, we're talking about a problem in basic functionality that should be fixed with a FW update ASAP. It is disappointing enough that DSD support has been clumsily released without this issue being vetted in testing beforehand. But if a fix is available, not releasing the update until some other time in the future makes me wonder if Pono cares about the user experience here. Plenty of companies release an update just for a single issue if that problem critically hampers the basic functionality of the product. This is an issue of stability over features and to delay the release of the solution to handicapped playback of DSD files is disappointing. This is analogous to Charles releasing his QB-9 update for DSD, only to find out that it didn't fully work - and the fix would be coming down the road with the next feature-set upgrade.

BTW, since I use DSF files exclusively and have experienced this problem, the workaround must not be to convert DFF to DSF.

--- End quote ---

Well stated. I concur with the perspective articulated by brucknerdoc in this post. Personal accountability on our part as customers, investors, beta testers etc., also require us to relate our experience accurately and without attitude. The truth of our assertions has a perspective that merits courteous attention.

My experience is the same as brucknerdoc. I also use DSF exclusively as well as AIFF.

My need for proper exercise does not require that I respond to every meta comment made by those who have authority and responsibility and obliquely lecture us in what feels to me to be defensive (another word -- arrogant, impertinent or presumptuous -- came to my mind but that would only require even more exercise on my part) and by defensive, I refer to choosing the meaning of our communications to infer we are spoiled brats who are ungrateful for what we've been provided; and, not getting our way in a time frame that is unreasonable, we expect our innovators to drop everything and feed us on demand.

It makes no sense that the tone and content from some who have authority and responsibility when combined project an attitude that misses what was so readily pertinent and easily discoverable before the release of multiple firmware updates that have yet to cure certain persistent impediments ameliorated with work-arounds that are more like jerk-arounds.

For once, I would love to hear some who have authority and responsibility offer some meta comments on the order of a compassionate and empathetic nature for our patience, patronage and persistence. I have witnessed at another forum similar exchanges and prudently stayed out of them. As I will hereafter given the wake of exchanges left behind that are now becoming common to this errand.

Hope this helps,
Richard

phatgaz:
Hi All,

Just got a pono player and listening to dsd (dsf) files happily at the moment. (good job Mr C. Hansen!)

Amost all of my DSD sources are sacd rips from a PS3, and since I have been using foobar2000, I tend to leave the rips as (scarlet book) .iso files.  So far I have only used dsf files on the pp split from the iso using a free 'sonare' tool.

Can the JRiver software take in a sacd ISO and automatically produce ponoplayer compatable .dsf files ? 

peace,
Gareth.

P.S.
Be cool if the ponoplayer could/might have new firmware to play .iso directly ?   
 

Frobozz:
It is possible to use JRiver to split an SACD ISO to separate tracks.  But you don't want to do that.  Any conversions or processing of DSD in JRiver will go through a PCM step because the converter and DSP only know PCM.  The DSD split wouldn't be pure because of the PCM step in the middle.

Best to use third-party tools to split the SACD ISO to separate tracks.  Tools that do all of the conversions in DSD.  Then import that split album into PonoMusic World.  Then sync that split album to the PonoPlayer.

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