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Request for 3D
jmone:
Please don't get too excited regarding 3D Support. I was more pointing out to Hendrik that there is a (potentially) available 3D Video Renderer (without waiting for madVR potential support) that may make the other required parts of the filter chain for 3D BD "easier" to develop.
--- Quote from: Hendrik on July 16, 2015, 04:04:50 pm ---There are no solid plans for 3D. As others have theorized, if madVR would support 3D, it might get easier to support it in RO HQ, but its by far not the only factor.
Don't make plans for it, even if something happens, its probably still far out.
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That said, the following is a dump of the filters used by Stereoscopic player for a 3D BD and as you can see it also requires other components like a MVC Decoder (and the CoreCodec is not exposed) ... though Hendrik does write a pretty good Video Decoder already :)
--- Code: ---DirectSound Audio Renderer
Audio Input pin (rendered) connected to 3dtv.at Audio Stream Switcher (PCM, 6 ch, 48000 Hz, 24 bits)
3dtv.at Stereo Renderer
Input 1 connected to 3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec) (YV12, 12 bpp, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, progressive)
Input 2 connected to 3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec) (YV12, 12 bpp, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, progressive)
Input 3 not connected
Subpicture Input connected to 3dtv.at Subtitle Stream Switcher (Subtitle, HDMV PGS)
3dtv.at Subtitle Stream Switcher
Input 1 connected to MPC MPEG Source (Subtitle, HDMV PGS)
Input 2 not connected
Output connected to 3dtv.at Stereo Renderer (Subtitle, HDMV PGS)
3dtv.at Audio Stream Switcher
Input 1 connected to LAV Audio Decoder (PCM, 6 ch, 48000 Hz, 24 bits)
Input 2 not connected
Output connected to DirectSound Audio Renderer (PCM, 6 ch, 48000 Hz, 24 bits)
3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec)
AVC connected to MPC MPEG Source (AVC1, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 100, level 41)
MVC connected to 3dtv.at MVC Parser (EMVC, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 128, level 41)
Output 1 connected to 3dtv.at Stereo Renderer (YV12, 12 bpp, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, progressive)
Output 2 connected to 3dtv.at Stereo Renderer (YV12, 12 bpp, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, progressive)
3dtv.at MVC Parser
Input connected to MPC MPEG Source (EMVC, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 128, level 41)
Output connected to 3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec) (EMVC, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 128, level 41)
LAV Audio Decoder
Input connected to MPC MPEG Source (DTS, 6 ch, 48000 Hz)
Output connected to 3dtv.at Audio Stream Switcher (PCM, 6 ch, 48000 Hz, 24 bits)
MPC MPEG Source
Video - AVC (H.264), High Profile, Level 4.1, 1920x1080, 23.976 fps (1011,e0,00) connected to 3dtv.at AVC/MVC Decoder (by CoreCodec) (AVC1, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 100, level 41)
Audio - English, DTS-HD Master Audio, 48.0 kHz, 6 chn, 1509.0 kbit/s (1100,fd,00) connected to LAV Audio Decoder (DTS, 6 ch, 48000 Hz)
Subtitle - English, Presentation Graphics Stream (1200,bd,00) connected to 3dtv.at Subtitle Stream Switcher (Subtitle, HDMV PGS)
Video - MVC (Subset), Stereo High Profile, Level 4.1, 1920x1080, 23.976 fps (1012,e0,00) connected to 3dtv.at MVC Parser (EMVC, 1920 x 1080, 16:9, 23.976 fps, profile 128, level 41)
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bhampster:
--- Quote from: jmone on July 16, 2015, 06:13:22 pm ---Here is the most simple filter graph using the LAV Source, LAV Video Decoder and the 3D Renderer from Stereoscopic.
Note: Steroscopic offers a trail version of the player (that times outs) but it installs the filters that you can then use in DirectShow players but MC has a whitelist of Renderers so you can not add this option. This filter also seems to have player controls as you can see so even if whitelisted I don't know how it would go inside MC but GraphStudio Start/Stop/Seek etc works so while I'm guessing it would be fine it would need to be whitelisted to try it out.
Thanks
Nathan
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Nathan,...
Does this mean I can build a filter graph after installing the demo of Stereoscopic player and save the graph for use in another DShow player? That could be very useful for my attempts to find some way of in-corperating 3D to my current JRiver setup. I will try to study and understand this... seems I could use a Dshow player like MPC to play back the 3D movies I have ... unless I don't understand this at all.
-Brian
Edit - I see this in the MC20 forum...NEW: Possible to configure external playback on the file type bdmv3d... But I don't see any links to more information about it. ... Either way,... I like seeing it mentioned there.
bhampster:
Hey,
I wanted to add to the discussion of 3D ... One review of JRiver that I read compared it to systems by Kaliedescape instead of the usual comparasions to things like Kodi or Emby Media Server. I agreed with that review because in my experience JRiver is far ahead of any other media server suite that I tried using. That said, a big drawback to a (uber crazy expensive) Kaliedescape system is they refuse to acknowledge the existance of 3D.
I already feel that my JRiver system is superior to any Kaliedescape based setup for many reasons. ... Addition of 3D would be another and it would also mean the difference between me having access to everything instead of access to most of my media.
-BRian
jmone:
--- Quote from: bhampster on July 18, 2015, 08:01:42 am ---Does this mean I can build a filter graph after installing the demo of Stereoscopic player and save the graph for use in another DShow player? That could be very useful for my attempts to find some way of in-corperating 3D to my current JRiver setup. I will try to study and understand this... seems I could use a Dshow player like MPC to play back the 3D movies I have ... unless I don't understand this at all.
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Nice idea but a couple of issues make it a non starter (afaik):
- modern players contain so much logic these days they will not play a GRF file (any way MC will not)
- exception are progs like GraphStudio as they are designed to do this and have a simple player built in
- and the kicker is you can only build a graph for the components that are exposed... and the MVC Decoder is not
--- Quote ---Edit - I see this in the MC20 forum...NEW: Possible to configure external playback on the file type bdmv3d... But I don't see any links to more information about it. ... Either way,... I like seeing it mentioned there.
--- End quote ---
Correct - you have two specific FileTypes for 3D content, BDMV3D and MK3D in MC. These let you launch a 3rd party program to handle this content. Which reminds me - I need to update my 3D BD : Integrating a 3rd Party Player with MC (and scripts on this!) as these changes make life much easier. Note: I don't think the Stereoscopic player itself is a good candidate for this 3rd party player method for 3D BD as it you have to give it the SSIF file because it can not parse the index.bdmv file.
Lets see what Hendrik says, as this is not one we are going to be able to take much further by just hacking around with components.
bhampster:
Nathan,
You are the second person I have seen suggesting that Stereoscopic player isn't a good external player... I think people have had luck with Total Media Theater which I think is dis-continued and I don't know how to go about trying to acquire it.
Maybe I should just wait ... I could buy Stereoscopic player but then I suppose eventually I could discover why people don't seem to like it as an external player.
I don't mind waiting a bit ... And honestly I'm thrilled if somehow a bulb goes on and it seems adding this feature to JRiver will be worthwhile.
-Brian
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