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Windows 10 impressions
astromo:
--- Quote from: rudyrednose on August 17, 2015, 02:45:14 pm ---Hint : if by then JRMCv22 for Linux is on par with the Windows version, bye-bye M$ on the HTPCs ;D
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BryanC, no surprise from my end. Thanks for the word up. I knew there had to be a catch with Win10 and this is what I suspected but didn't confirm because I didn't want to wade through licence agreement in detail. Just seems like incentive to shift to Linux to me.
Agree with rudyrednose, looking forward to MC for Linux with TV capability and then my reliance on Windows largely disappears.
glynor:
--- Quote from: BryanC on August 17, 2015, 10:37:38 am ---The only way to install Windows 10 again is to completely wipe my drive (which has been in continuous use for 6 years, never had to wipe it before), install Win8.1 (that I don't own any install media for, since the download link I bought for the upgrade disc expired years ago), enter my Win8.1 product key, call MS to have them transfer it to my new hardware, and then redownload and reinstall Win10 via the same upgrade path I just did a month ago.
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I'm fairly certain, from reading a bit about this online, that you don't actually have to wipe the drive, if you haven't done so.
Instead, you could do this:
1. Beg, borrow, or steal a second drive for the computer, and install Windows 8.1 on that drive (with the current install's drive disconnected).
2. Go through the dumbness to get it upgraded to Windows 10.
3. This creates a new Hardware license for Windows 10 with your current motherboard.
4. Disconnect the borrowed drive and plug your current one back in.
5. Boot.
6. It should now activate because the motherboard matches expectations on their activation servers.
You can change hard drives without breaking activation (and add RAM). You can't change motherboards.
glynor:
Also, I've read a bunch of reports from people who say it does work to call in if you changed motherboards (including Paul Thurrott).
Did you call via the number provided this way?
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/950929
I think you should really just get an automated system that walks you through it.
If you called another number, perhaps the volume license activation center, those are different people and they have told me incorrect stuff about consumer licensing before (basically just get you off the phone because they can't help you anyway).
BryanC:
--- Quote from: jaxtherogue on August 17, 2015, 08:52:52 pm ---Microsoft support will almost always activate a Windows license with little argument. Just call them up and tell them you upgraded a CPU. 9/10 they will help you get reactivate- you perhaps need to push them a bit harder and tell them it was a repair replacement and not a decommission.
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I never had a problem doing this in Win7 or Win8.1 as I shared in my anecdote. This was the first time I was denied. It wasn't a 'we aren't going to do this for you," it was a "our Win10 activation servers are not equipped to handle this sort of thing" type of answer.
--- Quote from: glynor on August 17, 2015, 09:59:59 pm ---I'm fairly certain, from reading a bit about this online, that you don't actually have to wipe the drive, if you haven't done so.
Instead, you could do this:
1. Beg, borrow, or steal a second drive for the computer, and install Windows 8.1 on that drive (with the current install's drive disconnected).
2. Go through the dumbness to get it upgraded to Windows 10.
3. This creates a new Hardware license for Windows 10 with your current motherboard.
4. Disconnect the borrowed drive and plug your current one back in.
5. Boot.
6. It should now activate because the motherboard matches expectations on their activation servers.
You can change hard drives without breaking activation (and add RAM). You can't change motherboards.
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This is a good idea and something I had considered doing, but I couldn't find much evidence online to back up my thought. I will try it out this weekend.
--- Quote from: glynor on August 17, 2015, 10:04:41 pm ---Also, I've read a bunch of reports from people who say it does work to call in if you changed motherboards (including Paul Thurrott).
Did you call via the number provided this way?
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/950929
I think you should really just get an automated system that walks you through it.
If you called another number, perhaps the volume license activation center, those are different people and they have told me incorrect stuff about consumer licensing before (basically just get you off the phone because they can't help you anyway).
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I tried calling those activation centers (I was not given a number to call in the activation settings) but nothing was automated (it had me state the version of Windows I used right off the bat so I figure that it probably will give you different prompts per OS version). What I was told was that the activation servers for Win10 upgrades do not operate on product keys and only hashes. The only way to transfer a product key on an upgrade version of Windows 10 is by using the OS you upgraded from and its original product key. This makes sense to me since the product keys that people have entered to move from 10240 to the official RTM have all been generic. In order for me to be given a new product key for Win10, they would have to issue me some type of retail key, which I imagine they aren't keen on doing. If this is a possibility, I'll of course spend some more time on the activation call to plead my case.
RoderickGI:
--- Quote from: BryanC on August 17, 2015, 10:32:15 pm ---The only way to transfer a product key on an upgrade version of Windows 10 is by using the OS you upgraded from and its original product key.
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So the product key from a retail Windows 7 disc should activate a Windows 10 upgrade, installation, or reinstallation after repairing (replacing) a motherboard. Theoretically. Maybe only for the first year.
Does Windows 10 offer you a place to key in a product key from an earlier version, when you install it from scratch, or need to activate it again after a repair?
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