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best workflow for DVDs and Blu-rays
flydeep:
Based on what CountryBumpkin and glynor say, I am not certain what happened when I tested this couple of years ago. The video quality wasn't perfect comparable to BD playback.
I have two toddlers and usually scrambling for time. The quickest and easiest way for me is to pop the BD and rip to iso using AnyDVDHD- takes about 40 mins to rip to a NAS directly from my old LG BD/HD-DVD drive. I may save about 30% space out of a 40GB BD converting to MKV but I get the satisfaction of having the entire BD in the my library so that it is future proofed. If JRiver ever gets the ability to play extras or I chose another capable media player down the road, I do not have to worry.
--- Quote from: RC23 on August 26, 2015, 01:40:32 pm ---You have done comparisons between iso and mkv version. Which differences do you notice in the picture quality?
Interesting for me was the posting of Hendrik that removing cinavia will usually degrade the audio quality quite a bit.
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CountryBumkin:
--- Quote from: RC23 on August 26, 2015, 01:40:32 pm ---You have done comparisons between iso and mkv version. Which differences do you notice in the picture quality?
Interesting for me was the posting of Hendrik that removing cinavia will usually degrade the audio quality quite a bit.
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I tried to reply earlier, but after typing a twenty minute response, I bumped the mouse and all was lost (why does moving the mouse delete my reply window?).
Anyways...
Cinavia is a "watermark" encoded* into the audio track, so the current method to circumvent this annoyance is to delete the lossless audio track (leaving AC3) which AnyDVD+CloneBD does, or to replace the audio track (which DVDfab does from its database of movie audio tracks).
AnyDVD also has a feature that fools the BD player into not triggering Cinivia if you play a BD on a computer (with a Cinivia enabled player like PowerDVD) while AnyDVD HD is running in the background. But if you want to remove Cinivia completely from the disk, there isn't a good way (yet) to do it without messing with the audio track.
* "encoded" may be the wrong term (someone will correct this if I'm wrong).
glynor:
--- Quote from: CountryBumkin on August 26, 2015, 03:36:46 pm ---* "encoded" may be the wrong term (someone will correct this if I'm wrong).
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Nope. That's right.
--- Quote from: flydeep on August 26, 2015, 02:30:25 pm ---I may save about 30% space out of a 40GB BD converting to MKV
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Converting to MKV using MakeMKV does not save any space over ripping to ISO (nothing substantial anyway), except if you don't rip the extras. Assuming you rip everything available on the disc, they should be roughly the same size (save the size required for the menu system, I suppose, and maybe slightly more efficient storage). Certainly not 30%.
I suspect you were ripping using a different application that re-compresses the video to H.264 MKVs and shrinks them to save space, and remembering wrong. This can be done well, but is "lossy".
MakeMKV cannot do that. It only rips the original files and decrypts them, and then "wraps them" into a MKV. It does not re-encode them, and is also quite quick (for this same reason). It usually rips BluRay movies on my system in 20 minutes or so (though this depends on the film in question, and the size of the rip).
The main benefit to ripping to ISO is that it preserves the menu system. This is certainly a benefit, I suppose, if you like that sort of thing. To me, it is a "good thing" to get rid of those horrible things. But using ISO rips does also have substantial file management and ease-of-use limitations.
It is a trade-off, but not a quality trade off, was the point I was making.
jmone:
I just use MC to Rip to Folder Structure (ANYDVD HD running in the background).
- Easiest Method of all, no remuxing, transocding, and you get all the content on the disk
- MC Autotags as part of the ripping
- No need to mount an ISO for play back
- MC just plays the Main Movie but gives you access to all the playlists from it's OSD
- Can create Particles for Alt Endings, Episodes etc
- Can access the BD Menu using 3rd party SW (eg PDVD) when needed
- Can burn back to a physical disk if needed
...and HDD space is cheap these days, with 8TB hdd around $300 or about $1.5 to store a full BD
RoderickGI:
--- Quote from: jmone on August 26, 2015, 05:35:08 pm ---I just use MC to Rip to Folder Structure
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I don't rip BDs that often, but when I do, I also rip the whole folder structure, for much the same reasons. But I use the DVDfab Passkey functionality to do that, since it is then one application doing all the work. I might look at using MC as the front end to that, but is there any advantage?
--- Quote from: CountryBumkin on August 26, 2015, 03:36:46 pm ---. . . replace the audio track (which DVDfab does from its database of movie audio tracks).
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Do you have a reference for that. I must admit, I am being lazy as I haven't searched, but that surprises me. Does that mean I need an internet connection to rip a BD with DVDfab, and it downloads the Cinavia free audio track?
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