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tlcmd:
Here is the whole thread posted in the Linux MC21.
An interesting problem and observation
« on: August 13, 2015, 02:28:56 pm »
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I bough the license for MC19 for Linus back before it was actually available and have upgraded to MC21 quite recently.
I have been running MJ8.400 from when it was MJ7.
Oddly enough, it actually runs on Linux, but will not recognize the disk burner or player.
My observation: When I Import to MJ8.400 from the same music database, it properly imports all the info including all the files from each artist and catalogs them by title, artist, album, and genre. When I import into Linux MC19, 20, and 21, It only does some of the above and then incompletely.
Wonder how come? Any thoughts or suggestions. I do have a data base music folder with 10+k files.
Techies??
Thanks,
tlcme
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Re: An interesting problem and observation
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2015, 04:12:55 pm »
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This is just an educated guess: I'm thinking that your media files themselves don't have all of the Album, Artist, etc information saved in their internal tags. Instead, that information is probably in MJ8's internal database.
If that's true, you'd either need to make MJ8 write out that information to the tags in the files, OR, take MJ8's database and Import it into MC21. I know nothing about MJ8, except that it was a JRiver product. Maybe someone else here can give some more details and/or a different idea.
Brian.
BLGentry,
Thanks for your reply. However, my computer crashed last Sunday and subsequently all of my files and my Linux Mint Debian Edition2(Betsy) were wiped. I therefore installed my Windows 8.1 to a 400+ Gig partition on my 2 TiB HDD and then reinstalled my Linux Distro to the remaining partition as I use Linux virtually all the time.
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However, all of my files were backed up on an external HDD. The music files were copied to the Linux partition and then copied from there to the Windows Partition (ie: they were the same). After moving all my files from the HDD to the Linux partition and then the Windows partition, I began installing my programs.
Only after Crossover Linux was installed to the Linux partition did I install MJ8 and MC20 &21 and imported only the 490+ Julie London music files to all 3.
The discrepancies between the way MJ8 includes all the albums and files and MC 20 (and MC21) does the same was obvious. Whole albums were included in the MJ8's artist/album files but not in the MC20's (and MC21's)artist/album ones. The files were in MC20 & MC21, but without their being indexed by artist/album.
After the above experiment, I then imported all of my 11+k music files with the same discreteness. Remember, these files were imported from the same Music folder to all 3 music programs.
Two more points: 1) I presented this problem in hopes that the developers of Linux MC might be interested, and 2) I would like an explanation, if possible.
If I have an email address sent to me via a PM, I'd be happy to send some of the mp3 and ogg files in question and hope someone could figure this dilemma out as I do have a number of other music files which behave the same way with respect to MJ8 and MC20 and 21).
Thanks for your interest.
tlcmd
leezer3:
If I recall rightly, the tag frames MC writes were played around with a few versions ago. (Something to do with id3 v2.3 and id3 v2.4 if I recall)
I'm not sure that it should matter, as everything was intended to be backwards compatible. At one stage there was a variation in the Tool Name tag that they wrote too, but again that shouldn't cause any issues.....
Can you post a tag dump from one of the files in MC21?
Open the tag action window, and then click on the very top line (The one that says 'MP3 - 1:02:04 - 24.9mb)
If you use the context menu at the top left, there is then an option to copy all of this data to the clipboard :)
This *should* tell us whether MC21 can see the information in the file, but is perhaps failing to map it for some reason.
I'd guess something legacy has been missed in the crossover from Windows :)
-Leezer-
tlcmd:
leezer,
I'll try to post what you want. If it is not, let me know. BTW, I have around 490 Julie London Music files, MJ8 lists all of them under the Artist "Julie London" and also the albums beneath the artist's name when it is expanded. MC21 lists 11 while MJ8 lists 479. I'm going to try to send you what you asked from from MJ8 (MJ8, MC20, and MC21 all import files from the same music folder in my computer. Note, the music file below does not even appear in MC20 or MC21 under artist, album or audio file.. This info is from MJ8, bless its heart.
Name Artist Album Length Genre Year Type Size Location Comment Bitrate Track # Date Custom 1 Custom 2 Custom 3 Rating
My Darling, MyDarling Julie London Glory Of Julie London 2:18 female vocal 0 ogg 1.792MB Y:\Music\Julie London\Glory OF Julie London\My
tlcmd
leezer3:
I think you may be a little confused on what's happening here :)
Let's start again, with step-by-step instructions:
Open MC21 under Linux.
Go to the top-level audio view.
Do your files appear somewhere in this view, but missing artist/ album information?
From what you're saying, they don't.
If this is the case, as a first step, please try re-running the import process, but this time making sure all file types are selected-
Missing information doesn't matter at this point, but all of your files need to be visible under the root audio view.
If you can't get them imported, or visible under the audio view please post back.
Otherwise-
Once they're there, select a file, and then press Alt+Enter. This will bring up the 'Tag Action Window' in the bottom left of your screen.
Click on the *first* line in this window, which will be something like 'MP3 - 1:02:04 - 24.9mb'
Then click the small button on the top left of this window, and select copy to clipboard.
Post this information here- This is what MC21 thinks is inside the file :)
-Leezer-
tlcmd:
leezer, you are absolutely correct, I am confused!! And obviously a little short on MC21 smarts.
Do your files appear somewhere in this view, but missing artist/ album information?
Yes, they do appear. I just found the one from which I sent you the information and it has no artist/album information.
Hopefully, I'll get the tag info right this time:
Alt-Enter brought up the tag information to the upper left of the window.
When I clicked on the first line, I got the action window at the bottom of that field.
I made it to what you wish copied to the clipboard, but I cannot find the "clipboard" so here is what it looks like:
Ogg Vorbis (ogg)
44.1 khz sample rate
108 kbps bit rate
2 channels
Tag (8 fields - 214 data bytes
OOL: Name Media Center
OLL: VERSION 19.1.0.128
ENRE: Female vocal
ITLE: My Darling, My Darling
RTIST: Julie London
LBUM: Glory of Julie Londonj
jMETADATA: <MPL Version = "1.0">
<item>
<Exinfo ReplayGain = 'long number divided by vertical lines; if you need it, I'll send it
</item>
</MP>
Is this enough to help you help me?
I will copy it to you again if you'll tell me how to find the clipboard.
Thanks so much for your willingness to help. I seems kinda silly to buy a product I cannot use.
Remember, all of these show up in MJ8.400 under Julie London including the Album "The Glory of Julie London" with the song listings under that album.
I just bit the bullet and purchased MC21.0.5 and it does the same. And in scrolling through the library, I have a huge number of files without albums, artists, or genres. Help, please.
Now I'm going to throw a hooker at you: I also have MC19 for WINDOWS installed in my Windows Partition. It lists all the files, albums, genres, artists just as MJ8 does. However on selecting a file and hitting Alt - Enter, all of the same info shows up, but with the first letters of Tool Name, Tool Version, Genre, Artist, etc. IN OTHER WORDS, WINDOWS MC19 WORKS CORRECTLY!!! LINUX MC21.0.5 DOES NOT!! And both are in different partitions of the same HDD!
While I'm waiting for your reply (since I am in the EDT (Greenwich +5hr) zone, I'm going to remove my music library from my Linux Partition and try to import the files on Windows into the Linux MC 21.0.5 and add those results below.
SURPRISE: the files imported from my WINDOWS MC19 into my LINUX MC21.0.5 acted the same as above with the absence of the initial letters in the Tag Fields. And I have the same number of files without genre, artist, or album.
Please do not forget that MJ8 on LINUX also works correctly. And all are from the same database.
SOMETHING WEIRD IS GOING ON!!
Thanks,
tlcmd
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