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Devices => JRiver Id -- Hardware by JRiver => Topic started by: JimH on February 06, 2015, 12:39:34 pm
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In an Id build that is being released this week, we've added support for external drives. This allows you to use MC's auto import to watch drives and import new content. There are several uses for this:
NAS Drives
Any network drive visible on the network can be added to the Id. This is called "mounting" a drive.
USB Drives
Both USB hard drives and thumb drives can be used. MC will auto import if asked to.
Network Shares
A folder that has been shared on another machine can now be used as an MC folder.
Setup Instructions
The Id text menu has a new option called "External Media".
---- Begin Menu -----
This menu allows you to add or remove locations that will then be available to MC for import purposes. In the first step, you use one of the sections below to tell the OS to "mount" (add) a drive. In the second step, you then use MC's Import options to add the locations to auto-import.
USB Drives require no configuration, but you can choose whether to allow MC to write to the drive or not.
Enable Read Only
Enable Read Write
Disable USB Drives
Display Status
Network Drives (shares) require answering several questions about their location.
Add
Delete
Display Configuration
Status
---- End Menu ----
Questions for Network Shares
When you choose "Add", you will be asked the following:
Name of the share. This is a machine name followed by a directory name. It's in the form of //BOPEEP/music, where BOPEEP is the machine name and music is the name of the directory. It is not case sensitive. (See IP address below.)
Name of the directory on the Id. This is a name like "bopeep". It is case sensitive
Will the directory be writeable? If you want to write information to the metadata in the actual files, for example, this must be set to rw.
Is it a Windows share?
Will you use it as "guest"?
If not, you will be asked for a username and password. If this isn't right, the process will fail. Try logging into the directory from another machine where you can see the results first.
Important: After receiving the message that the share was added successfully, you must reboot the Id before you will be able to access files on the share.
IP Address
If machine name doesn't work (sometimes Windows is stubborn), you can replace it with the IP address of the share. You can get this by running a CMD window (Windows Key + R, then "cmd) and ipconfig.
The IP address must be static, meaning that if you use DHCP to assign addresses, you must tell your router to give the machine the same address. This is done by linking it to the MAC address of the machine. This is often called a static or fixed lease.
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Have loaded the new firmware successfully but having problems with attaching a USB drive or a NAS.
1. USB - have a Seagate 4tb portable drive plugged into one of the USB ports in the back but the ID just won't recognize it.
2. No luck connecting to the network attached drive either. Will try the IP address next.
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Probably a dumb question, but when I enter the update command (12 I think) at the ID it goes out and comes back almost immediately. No extras in the text menu for USB drives or anything, though if I stick a USB drive on the machine, it finds the music files and starts indexing them.
This is a NTFS formatted drive.
Is there something I need to do to get the new menu to appear, like set MC to update to non-stable releases or something?
Also, what formats will it accept the drive in? Mac OS Journaled? Reiser?
Thanks,
-Paul
[Edit] - Just upgraded the ID to the latest Beta firmware, and it is a great improvement. Ran into a puzzler, and that is the /media share shows folders or the ID and for the USB drive I attached, but shows no files at all in any folder. EFI included. Sounds like a Samba sharing issue, and I did have to log into the machine as "guest" access. Did I somewhere miss the right username/password to use when logging into the machine via the samba share?
The machine does see the USB drive, as it imported about 16K tracks and a little over 2000 albums. Plays nice, shows up in JRemote, just does not show up in the media share, either from Windows 7 or from MacOS.
-Paul
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Bump? Any one gotten USB drives to show up in the shares yet? I get an empty folder in the shares with the name of the USB drive volume here.
-Paul
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What USB drive did you get to work attached to the ID?
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Just tested it here without issues.
It will accept fat, ntfs, ext2-4 filesystems.
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What USB drive did you get to work attached to the ID?
Works with Toshiba, Seagate and LaCie here, save for posting the share.
-Paul
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Just tested it here without issues.
It will accept fat, ntfs, ext2-4 filesystems.
Cool & thanks. In your test, the USB drive showed up in the /media share and you are able to copy files to it? That is what I am not getting to happen, though I have only tried with NTFS drives so far.
-Paul
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Cool & thanks. In your test, the USB drive showed up in the /media share and you are able to copy files to it? That is what I am not getting to happen, though I have only tried with NTFS drives so far.
-Paul
Copy files to it from where? It's not a network shared filesystem.
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Well, why not? The older version of the ID initially created a folder in the Media space and mounted the drive, but it does not do that with the newer release. It mounts the drives somewhere other than the media share.
If I want to use the ID with a local library, I have to have some way to manage the library. I can't copy the files to the SSD and then to the USB drive without some kind of access to the machine. That's currently true even if I do haul the machine up to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
I get locking the system down tight, but this is maybe a little too tight? Wherever you guys are actually mounting the USB drive, MC can find it to import files. Why not add an just mount it under /media (which is already shared) or add option to share it on the removable devices menu. Then there is a fully functional server available.
When I RIP or download new music, it can just be automatically copied to the USB drive over the share. Easy peasy. A $69 drive can pretty easily carry a very large music library,and even a film or three if one wanted to.
Yes, certainly, I could just load a smaller portion of the music library onto the SSD. Or I could take the USB drive off the ID, and then reload all or part of the music, nothin startlingwipe the device and reload it with Debian and MC/Linux. But in the first case, it will be too small for a lot of people. In the second, then I could not then recommend it as an easy to use plug and play device to other people.
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Well, why not? The older version of the ID initially created a folder in the Media space and mounted the drive, but it does not do that with the newer release. It mounts the drives somewhere other than the media share.
If I want to use the ID with a local library, I have to have some way to manage the library. I can't copy the files to the SSD and then to the USB drive without some kind of access to the machine. That's currently true even if I do haul the machine up to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.
I get locking the system down tight, but this is maybe a little too tight? Wherever you guys are actually mounting the USB drive, MC can find it to import files. Why not add an just mount it under /media (which is already shared) or add option to share it on the removable devices menu. Then there is a fully functional server available.
When I RIP or download new music, it can just be automatically copied to the USB drive over the share. Easy peasy. A $69 drive can pretty easily carry a very large music library,and even a film or three if one wanted to.
Yes, certainly, I could just load a smaller portion of the music library onto the SSD. Or I could take the USB drive off the ID, and then reload all or part of the music, nothin startlingwipe the device and reload it with Debian and MC/Linux. But in the first case, it will be too small for a lot of people. In the second, then I could not then recommend it as an easy to use plug and play device to other people.
The filesystem the Id has in it's spare drive space partition isn't mounted in the /media directory since it's not a removable drive. You are correct that for a while we shipped a revision that mounted removable media under the shared filesystem, we decided to move that into the standard mount dir /media in the last revision. We didn't envision the removable media as being managed as a share on the Id.
I can see that might be useful though.
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Yep - I expect that would be very useful. I suspect that a lot of folks RIP music or videos on our Laptops directly to shared space on the server. The little ID seems like a perfectly good tool for a small - but very reliable - server.
This may be redundant with the new spinning disk IDs coming out, but it sure would be welcome.
-Paul
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Yep - I expect that would be very useful. I suspect that a lot of folks RIP music or videos on our Laptops directly to shared space on the server. The little ID seems like a perfectly good tool for a small - but very reliable - server.
This may be redundant with the new spinning disk IDs coming out, but it sure would be welcome.
-Paul
The beta7 firmware does this.
I'm still somewhat concerned about permissions if the external drive is moved from one system to another.
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Just received my ID and have successfully been able to mount a variety of USB drives using the USB 2.0 ports. However I have not been able to mount one using the front usb 3.0 ... Is this by design or am I missing something?
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No, it should work on any port.
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As discussed above, my scenario requires ability to write new files to Id's USB-attached 2TB drive, so that I can keep on adding new music to it. It is not an option to keep shutting it down, detaching the disk, moving, copying, detaching, moving, rebooting each time. So I am looking for one of two options, please:
- I write to somewhere else, and Id scans that location, over the network, and copies the files to the USB drive
- I mount Id's USB drive over the network and copy files directly to it
May I ask if any of the beta versions support either of those scenarios? I am planning on setting it up later today, so your suggestions would be very helpful, thanks.
Rafal
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As discussed above, my scenario requires ability to write new files to Id's USB-attached 2TB drive, so that I can keep on adding new music to it. It is not an option to keep shutting it down, detaching the disk, moving, copying, detaching, moving, rebooting each time. So I am looking for one of two options, please:
- I write to somewhere else, and Id scans that location, over the network, and copies the files to the USB drive
- I mount Id's USB drive over the network and copy files directly to it
May I ask if any of the beta versions support either of those scenarios? I am planning on setting it up later today, so your suggestions would be very helpful, thanks.
Rafal
You mount Id's USB drive over the network and copy files directly to it
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You mount Id's USB drive over the network and copy files directly to it
Super. For some reason I thought this function was not available on the Id anymore. Looking forward to doing it in an hour or so.
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Super. For some reason I thought this function was not available on the Id anymore. Looking forward to doing it in an hour or so.
You might want to wait. I'm uploading beta10 right now...
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You might want to wait. I'm uploading beta10 right now...
Just-in-time, thanks Bob. I was starting a download of CentOS to install on a VM to be able to format the USB drive using ext4 as per earlier suggestion. I suppose I will put Beta 10 on at the same time, thanks. However, will this let me format the external drive using ext4 or do I still need a Linux box somehow?
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You mount Id's USB drive over the network and copy files directly to it
Bob, I'm able to connect to the Id using SMB, but I cannot write to the disk without a suitable username and password. It seems that the guest access is read only. What credentials do I need to connect to my Id's external drive over the network, please?
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^^^^ Bob: further info. I can write to the Id "InternalStorage" share, but I am prompted for authentication to write to the ExternalStorage one. By the way, I have just updated to Beta 10.
I think it may be a permission issue. I have tried making a backup of the library to the external drive and it was successful. I can see it using the various file browsing functions of the MC running on the Id. However, I cannot see any of those files when connecting over the network to the Id. When I look at the permission attributes on the network mounted volume (using my Mac terminal) I can see I have no permissions to the volume showing under ExternalStorage, even though I have full permissions to ExternalStorage itself. Many thanks if you can help...
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^^^^ Bob, I can confirm also that I have that drive set to read-write in the Id settings.
I have tried synching from the remote library running on my Mac server, but it just goes quickly through all the files and nothing seems to get copied. So, at the moment, I am a bit stuck, with no way to copy the files from the remote server to the Id.
If this is an issue with permissions, could I use a different Linux box to set those to something that Id would recognise? Or, can I provide some credentials to log-in over the network that would grant me those? Thanks.
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The shares are public, you shouldn't need permissions or authentication to write it.
You did format it as ext4 I suppose.
I hadn't tested that yet and I'm wondering if that's the issue.
Will try it here.
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The shares are public, you shouldn't need permissions or authentication to write it.
You did format it as ext4 I suppose.
I hadn't tested that yet and I'm wondering if that's the issue.
Will try it here.
Bob, it was the permissions. I have mounted this drive on a Linux box and chmod-ed it from 700 to 777. This makes it writeable over the network.
However, a new problem appears. For some reason, the Id's server reports the size of the drive incorrectly as only 16 GB, even though the partition and the volume are 2TB. This prevents me from copying using drag-drop in Mac OS X. I will, however, try copying manually to see if I can overcome this issue.
Finally, when Id boots, about 8 seconds into the process, it reports an error which reads something like "VFS: No file system ext4" or similar. I wonder if this is related.
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^^^^ It looks like Id is always reporting free remaining space as 13.57 GB regardless of what is really free. Running df -h also shows this incorrect amount of free space.
I am copying files using cp -R and it seems to be working, and the reported amount of free space is not decreasing. It would be nice if this was displayed correctly, as it would allow drag-drop copying.
Thanks for your help.
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Bob, it was the permissions. I have mounted this drive on a Linux box and chmod-ed it from 700 to 777. This makes it writeable over the network.
However, a new problem appears. For some reason, the Id's server reports the size of the drive incorrectly as only 16 GB, even though the partition and the volume are 2TB. This prevents me from copying using drag-drop in Mac OS X. I will, however, try copying manually to see if I can overcome this issue.
Finally, when Id boots, about 8 seconds into the process, it reports an error which reads something like "VFS: No file system ext4" or similar. I wonder if this is related.
Rafal,
I just discovered the same issue with the permissions. It's because 777 isn't the default when formatting the drive as root on linux. Since the permissions of a ntfs filesystem aren't the same it gets mounted with public read/write permissions by default.
The "VFS: No file system ext4" message isn't important.
If you use the status function in the Disk menu does it show the proper size?
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Rafal,
I just discovered the same issue with the permissions. It's because 777 isn't the default when formatting the drive as root on linux. Since the permissions of a ntfs filesystem aren't the same it gets mounted with public read/write permissions by default.
The "VFS: No file system ext4" message isn't important.
If you use the status function in the Disk menu does it show the proper size?
Thanks, Bob. The status functions in the disk menu of the Id application shows the correct amounts. It seems this is not being passed on through the networking subsystem correctly.
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Rafal,
I just discovered the same issue with the permissions. It's because 777 isn't the default when formatting the drive as root on linux. Since the permissions of a ntfs filesystem aren't the same it gets mounted with public read/write permissions by default.
The "VFS: No file system ext4" message isn't important.
If you use the status function in the Disk menu does it show the proper size?
I am pretty much ready to suggest formatting and mounting the drives as NTFS. NTFS doesn't have the annoying Windows PATH size limitation, and runs quite fast under Linux. It also, as you pointed out, eliminates drive permissions issues. But best of all, you can easily mount the drive on a Mac or Windows machine if you have need to do a lot of maintenance.
-Paul
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I am pretty much ready to suggest formatting and mounting the drives as NTFS. NTFS doesn't have the annoying Windows PATH size limitation, and runs quite fast under Linux. It also, as you pointed out, eliminates drive permissions issues. But best of all, you can easily mount the drive on a Mac or Windows machine if you have need to do a lot of maintenance.
-Paul
Paul: do Linux NTFS drivers, like the ones that come with the Id, take care of journalling and so automatically recover from disk consistency errors due to, for example, power failures? I am well aware of NTFS reliability under Windows, but I do not know how it fares under Linux compared to ext4.
As for the permission issue, it is not a problem once it is known. It simply adds one more step to the formatting process: sudo chmod -R 777 /path-to-your-just-formatted-disk
Alternatively, I wonder if Id could mount the ext4 etc file systems without permission support, I expect there may be an option for that.
Nonetheless, I'd like to know if you think NTFS were a better file system than ext4 for Id's external drives. Many thanks.
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Paul: do Linux NTFS drivers, like the ones that come with the Id, take care of journalling and so automatically recover from disk consistency errors due to, for example, power failures? I am well aware of NTFS reliability under Windows, but I do not know how it fares under Linux compared to ext4.
As for the permission issue, it is not a problem once it is known. It simply adds one more step to the formatting process: sudo chmod -R 777 /path-to-your-just-formatted-disk
Alternatively, I wonder if Id could mount the ext4 etc file systems without permission support, I expect there may be an option for that.
Nonetheless, I'd like to know if you think NTFS were a better file system than ext4 for Id's external drives. Many thanks.
For Linux, I much prefer Reiser file systems, which is what I use in all my production file systems. EXT3 and EXT4 are both quite good too, but I have never lost data with Reiser, and I have with EXT3.
NTFS is fairly robust though, and well implemented under Linux. I can't imagine somthing like a power loss causing trouble to a volume, but it is always a good idea to have a UPS around. :)
Only problem is both Linux and MacOS will write files on NTFS filesystems that Windows will be unable to access due to path length limitations in Windows. Biggest limitation in using it is that you cannot IPL from a NTFS volume so far as I know. Might be wrong there, never really tried.
By the way, is it the volume itself that appears to have permission issues, or the mountpoint? This sounds like it may be related to operations with removable drives, since normally I would sudo to do operations like formatting or partioning a disk. Just curious.
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Can a folder on the Apple Time Capsule to be used as MC folder?
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Network Shares
A folder that has been shared on another machine can now be used as an MC folder.
Can a folder on the Apple Time Capsule to be used as MC folder?
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Can a folder on the Apple Time Capsule to be used as MC folder?
The Id doesn't support AFP (Appletalk File Protocol). There is support for this in linux (netatalk) and I've been using it at home for years however the most recent revisions need to be used to work properly with OSX 10.10 and they are not stable IMO.
If the time capsule can export the share as cifs then it may work.
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The Id doesn't support AFP (Appletalk File Protocol). There is support for this in linux (netatalk) and I've been using it at home for years however the most recent revisions need to be used to work properly with OSX 10.10 and they are not stable IMO.
If the time capsule can export the share as cifs then it may work.
If NFS Server is running on the ID, Mac's can mount those exports natively, and so avoid running netatalk. ;)
Also, Apple Time Capsule can serve shared files to both Windows and MacOS systems, no problem. It is probably not the best NAS platform though. It is really oriented towards backup.
Yours,
-Paul
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If NFS Server is running on the ID, Mac's can mount those exports natively, and so avoid running netatalk. ;)
Also, Apple Time Capsule can serve shared files to both Windows and MacOS systems, no problem. It is probably not the best NAS platform though. It is really oriented towards backup.
Yours,
-Paul
The Id IS running an NFS server to serve it's internal and external connected drives but there are no NFS client mounting options.
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Apple Tech support says that the TC uses the AFP as well as SMB
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In an Id build that is being released this week, we've added support for external drives. This allows you to use MC's auto import to watch drives and import new content. There are several uses for this:
NAS Drives
Any network drive visible on the network can be added to the Id. This is called "mounting" a drive.
USB Drives
Both USB hard drives and thumb drives can be used. MC will auto import if asked to.
Network Shares
A folder that has been shared on another machine can now be used as an MC folder.
Setup Instructions
The Id text menu has a new option called "External Media".
---- Begin Menu -----
This menu allows you to add or remove locations that will then be available to MC for import purposes. In the first step, you use one of the sections below to tell the OS to "mount" (add) a drive. In the second step, you then use MC's Import options to add the locations to auto-import.
USB Drives require no configuration, but you can choose whether to allow MC to write to the drive or not.
Enable Read Only
Enable Read Write
Disable USB Drives
Display Status
Network Drives (shares) require answering several questions about their location.
Add
Delete
Display Configuration
Status
---- End Menu ----
Questions for Network Shares
When you choose "Add", you will be asked the following:
Name of the share. This is a machine name followed by a directory name. It's in the form of //BOPEEP/music, where BOPEEP is the machine name and music is the name of the directory. It is not case sensitive. (See IP address below.)
Name of the directory on the Id. This is a name like "bopeep". It is case sensitive
Will the directory be writeable? If you want to write information to the metadata in the actual files, for example, this must be set to rw.
Is it a Windows share?
Will you use it as "guest"?
If not, you will be asked for a username and password. If this isn't right, the process will fail. Try logging into the directory from another machine where you can see the results first.
IP Address
If machine name doesn't work (sometimes Windows is stubborn), you can replace it with the IP address of the share. You can get this by running a CMD window (Windows Key + R, then "cmd) and ipconfig.
The IP address must be static, meaning that if you use DHCP to assign addresses, you must tell your router to give the machine the same address. This is done by linking it to the MAC address of the machine. This is often called a static or fixed lease.
I have not been unable to get my Id to mount my Netgear NAS. The NAS is shown in my computer as Music (\\192.168.0.150) (M:). Please outline exactly how i should enter the details on the Id (as every attempt so far has ended in failure). I go to 20 External Media and then Network Drives (Shares) and 10 to add. So far, so good, but I get in trouble with the next step, Path To The Share. Am I using the correct details, or should i be using the NAS name (NAS-D5-EO-24:ReadyNAS 312)?
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I have not been unable to get my Id to mount my Netgear NAS. The NAS is shown in my computer as Music (\\192.168.0.150) (M:). Please outline exactly how i should enter the details on the Id (as every attempt so far has ended in failure). I go to 20 External Media and then Network Drives (Shares) and 10 to add. So far, so good, but I get in trouble with the next step, Path To The Share. Am I using the correct details, or should i be using the NAS name (NAS-D5-EO-24:ReadyNAS 312)?
Sorry for the confusion.
The sharepath name on windows uses backslashes. The rest of the computing world uses normal slashes. The instructions you quoted uses the normal slashes.
So in your case it would be
//192.168.0.150/
and the directory that it will be access on the Id can be any name you wish (leave out special characters, spaces, etc) in the example we used bopeep.
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Sorry for the confusion.
The sharepath name on windows uses backslashes. The rest of the computing world uses normal slashes. The instructions you quoted uses the normal slashes.
So in your case it would be
//192.168.0.150/
and the directory that it will be access on the Id can be any name you wish (leave out special characters, spaces, etc) in the example we used bopeep.
I've now managed to mount the NAS (//192.168.0.150/music) and made the Id directory mynas (as per the Id instructions).
The NAS is shown in "Network drives, display configuration & status"
But where in the Id directory do I access the new share? in the Windows MC20 version, one clicks on "Drives & Devices".
When I click on the same on the Id it states "Web page viewing is not supported on this platform".
I came across a "ournas" directory in Music on the Id, but the directory was empty (trying out making a new library to see if that would work).
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I've now managed to mount the NAS (//192.168.0.150/music) and made the Id directory mynas (as per the Id instructions).
The NAS is shown in "Network drives, display configuration & status"
But where in the Id directory do I access the new share? in the Windows MC20 version, one clicks on "Drives & Devices".
When I click on the same on the Id it states "Web page viewing is not supported on this platform".
I came across a "ournas" directory in Music on the Id, but the directory was empty (trying out making a new library to see if that would work).
Go into the auto-import settings in MC on the Id and add the share to the auto-import paths.
You can hit the browse button, then navigate to filesystem->mnt highlight mynas and hit open then OK.
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Go into the auto-import settings in MC on the Id and add the share to the auto-import paths.
You can hit the browse button, then navigate to filesystem->mnt highlight mynas and hit open then OK.
Should I have done this as a (create) new library or under the NAS library (I did the latter)?
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Should I have done this as a (create) new library or under the NAS library (I did the latter)?
You should just use this as your main library.
There's no need to load the NAS library under the DLNA "Playing From" area again.
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You should just use this as your main library.
There's no need to load the NAS library under the DLNA "Playing From" area again.
All good now (and enjoying the music).
Thanks ;D
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I've been using Id with the externally attached 2TB USB 3 drive. I never have issues with stereo music, however 5.1 content causes occasional dropouts, about every 2-3 minutes it seems a couple of frames of data do not make it to the amp. I wonder if this is a bandwidth issue, or a drive issue, or something else. I have prebuffering set to 20s.
Can you suggest anything else to test or change to overcome this issue? My original plan was to put a bigger drive inside the Id itself, but it was recommended to me on this forum that I used the external one instead. Should I consider plugging this drive into the Id? Thanks and regards from Ireland.
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I've been using Id with the externally attached 2TB USB 3 drive. I never have issues with stereo music, however 5.1 content causes occasional dropouts, about every 2-3 minutes it seems a couple of frames of data do not make it to the amp. I wonder if this is a bandwidth issue, or a drive issue, or something else. I have prebuffering set to 20s.
Can you suggest anything else to test or change to overcome this issue? My original plan was to put a bigger drive inside the Id itself, but it was recommended to me on this forum that I used the external one instead. Should I consider plugging this drive into the Id? Thanks and regards from Ireland.
You do have the external drive connected to the front port (that's the only USB 3 one)?
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You do have the external drive connected to the front port (that's the only USB 3 one)?
Yes, I do use the front SS USB 3 port.
I just thought of a test, I will copy the problematic music to the internal drive, reconfigure the library to import those, and try playing again. Bob, if you've a chance to have a look at my other query on the firmware thread I would be grateful, too, as I have some time this week to try things out. Otherwise I will postpone till later in the month. Thanks.
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Yes, I do use the front SS USB 3 port.
I just thought of a test, I will copy the problematic music to the internal drive, reconfigure the library to import those, and try playing again. Bob, if you've a chance to have a look at my other query on the firmware thread I would be grateful, too, as I have some time this week to try things out. Otherwise I will postpone till later in the month. Thanks.
Ok, let me know how it goes.
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Ok, let me know how it goes.
After I moved the Id and rebooted into GUI, I had a look at all other settings. I noticed that I had "play from memory" turned on. I unchecked that checkbox. I also configured to import /export/media. After rebooting back into text with HDMI mode and bringing back to the hifi cabinet I played a few playlists from both USB and the internal drive. What is interesting, is that most of them play without any dropouts, even from USB, meaning that the "play from memory" option may have been causing the issue. Unfortunately, I still have a couple of tracks in 5.1 that produced a very brief drop-out, but it is now rarer and harder to replicate. With the "play from memory" option it was about once per minute or two, and lasted 0.1-0.25s or longer. I will keep playing until I find a pattern of the newer, shorter drop-out, and I'll report back.
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After I moved the Id and rebooted into GUI, I had a look at all other settings. I noticed that I had "play from memory" turned on. I unchecked that checkbox. I also configured to import /export/media. After rebooting back into text with HDMI mode and bringing back to the hifi cabinet I played a few playlists from both USB and the internal drive. What is interesting, is that most of them play without any dropouts, even from USB, meaning that the "play from memory" option may have been causing the issue. Unfortunately, I still have a couple of tracks in 5.1 that produced a very brief drop-out, but it is now rarer and harder to replicate. With the "play from memory" option it was about once per minute or two, and lasted 0.1-0.25s or longer. I will keep playing until I find a pattern of the newer, shorter drop-out, and I'll report back.
Thanks, I'm testing for dropouts here as well with as close a setup as I can get.
What filetypes are you playing?
It's mostly 2 channel with some 5.1? Those are being played back as 2 channel with DSP studio JRSS?
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Thanks, I'm testing for dropouts here as well with as close a setup as I can get.
What filetypes are you playing?
It's mostly 2 channel with some 5.1? Those are being played back as 2 channel with DSP studio JRSS?
This is a full opera (West Side Story by San Francisco Symphony Orchestra) from http://www.qobuz.com/ie-en/album/leonard-bernstein-west-side-story-edition-51-alexandra-silber-cheyenne-jackson-san-francisco-symphony-michael-tilson-thomas/0000020140522?qref=dac_7
These are all 5.1 96/24 tracks. The dropouts were frequent with "play from memory" (once every 1-2 minutes), and much rarer without that option. My other test track were KWV 565 from Aeolus edition of Bach Complete Organ Works, also 5.1 but 88/24. This one only drops out with the "play from memory" option.
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Dropouts from an Internet source could just be a bandwidth problem.
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Dropouts from an Internet source could just be a bandwidth problem.
Jim, as I have mentioned a few posts earlier, this music is local both on the USB 3 attached drive as well as on the SSD inside the Id. It was purchased from the link I shared with you, nothing is being streamed.
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Jim, as I have mentioned a few posts earlier, this music is local both on the USB 3 attached drive as well as on the SSD inside the Id. It was purchased from the link I shared with you, nothing is being streamed.
Too many pages on this thread ;)
So at this point the only tracks that have dropouts are the multichannel ones?
Can you check your DSP studio settings and tell us what's enabled there and what the settings are for the enabled functions?
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Too many pages on this thread ;)
So at this point the only tracks that have dropouts are the multichannel ones?
Can you check your DSP studio settings and tell us what's enabled there and what the settings are for the enabled functions?
That is correct, Bob. The only DSP option which I have turned on is volume leveling (the second one from top) and it is in default mode (clip protection). The topmost DSP option, Output Format, is always on, and it has been preconfigured by yourselves. No other DSP functions are in use.
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I cannot get my NAS drive mounted to the id. I tried the menu options described, and the system responds with "Failure."
I tried both the drive name, and IP address, and neither one works.
When I used an old computer as a server with Ubuntu, I would use a terminal window and enter the following command:
sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.0.106:/music /mnt/music
The number is the IP address for the NAS, /music is where the music is on the NAS, and /mnt/music is the directory I set up on the Ubuntu computer to mount the drive to. The directory I tried to mount to on the id is media. Is that the correct one? If not, what should I use?
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I cannot get my NAS drive mounted to the id. I tried the menu options described, and the system responds with "Failure."
I tried both the drive name, and IP address, and neither one works.
When I used an old computer as a server with Ubuntu, I would use a terminal window and enter the following command:
sudo mount -t nfs 192.168.0.106:/music /mnt/music
The number is the IP address for the NAS, /music is where the music is on the NAS, and /mnt/music is the directory I set up on the Ubuntu computer to mount the drive to. The directory I tried to mount to on the id is media. Is that the correct one? If not, what should I use?
I would use the samba networking for the NAS, not nfs.
The samba path would be
//192.168.0.106/music
as the source
and something descriptive for the local name i.e.
nas
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I would use the samba networking for the NAS, not nfs.
The samba path would be
//192.168.0.106/music
as the source
and something descriptive for the local name i.e.
nas
I used the menu on the id to attempt to mount my NAS drive.
The first prompt was for the path to the share, I entered //192.168.0.106/music
The next prompt was for the directory name on this machine, I entered mynas -On a previous attempt, I entered media
The system asked if //192.168.0.106/music was on a Windows computer, I indicated N (no) It is a Linux based NAS.
Next prompt, Should mynas be Read-Only or Read-Write, I indicated RW
Next prompt, Access //192.168.0.106/music as the guest user, I indicated Y
The system then checked if it could access //192.168.0.106/music
Response: Failure
I believe the problem is in the second step when prompted for the directory on this machine (id). Is there a directory set up on the id, or do I need to create one? If so, what is that procedure?
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I used the menu on the id to attempt to mount my NAS drive.
The first prompt was for the path to the share, I entered //192.168.0.106/music
The next prompt was for the directory name on this machine, I entered mynas -On a previous attempt, I entered media
The system asked if //192.168.0.106/music was on a Windows computer, I indicated N (no) It is a Linux based NAS.
Next prompt, Should mynas be Read-Only or Read-Write, I indicated RW
Next prompt, Access //192.168.0.106/music as the guest user, I indicated Y
The system then checked if it could access //192.168.0.106/music
Response: Failure
I believe the problem is in the second step when prompted for the directory on this machine (id). Is there a directory set up on the id, or do I need to create one? If so, what is that procedure?
The Id creates that directory when you enter the name.
You can try a different name (do a configuration check to see what's there now and delete everything so we are starting with a clean slate).
It sounds to me like your NAS might be looking for authentication for RW?
If you try it RO does it work??
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The Id creates that directory when you enter the name.
You can try a different name (do a configuration check to see what's there now and delete everything so we are starting with a clean slate).
It sounds to me like your NAS might be looking for authentication for RW?
If you try it RO does it work??
What is the procedure to do a configuration check and clean the slate? I also ran the update on the Id, but I'm not sure it it all installed. How do I check to see if it did?
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If you did the update and it runs, the update completed.
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If you did the update and it runs, the update completed.
Thanks for your response. My Id is then updated.
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The Id creates that directory when you enter the name.
You can try a different name (do a configuration check to see what's there now and delete everything so we are starting with a clean slate).
It sounds to me like your NAS might be looking for authentication for RW?
If you try it RO does it work??
I found the menu option to check the configuration, and no shares or mount points were indicated.
I then tried the ro option for read only, and it failed.
My next step was to answer no when prompted to access as a guest. I was then prompted for my NAS log in and password which it accepted, and then it succeeded in mounting.
I selected the auto import configurations from the menus in Media Center and it is importing the files and updating thumbnails. I will test it when it completes and let you know if I have any problems.
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In an Id build that is being released this week, we've added support for external drives. This allows you to use MC's auto import to watch drives and import new content. There are several uses for this:
NAS Drives
Any network drive visible on the network can be added to the Id. This is called "mounting" a drive.
USB Drives
Both USB hard drives and thumb drives can be used. MC will auto import if asked to.
Network Shares
A folder that has been shared on another machine can now be used as an MC folder.
Setup Instructions
The Id text menu has a new option called "External Media".
---- Begin Menu -----
This menu allows you to add or remove locations that will then be available to MC for import purposes. In the first step, you use one of the sections below to tell the OS to "mount" (add) a drive. In the second step, you then use MC's Import options to add the locations to auto-import.
USB Drives require no configuration, but you can choose whether to allow MC to write to the drive or not.
Enable Read Only
Enable Read Write
Disable USB Drives
Display Status
Network Drives (shares) require answering several questions about their location.
Add
Delete
Display Configuration
Status
---- End Menu ----
Questions for Network Shares
When you choose "Add", you will be asked the following:
Name of the share. This is a machine name followed by a directory name. It's in the form of //BOPEEP/music, where BOPEEP is the machine name and music is the name of the directory. It is not case sensitive. (See IP address below.)
Name of the directory on the Id. This is a name like "bopeep". It is case sensitive
Will the directory be writeable? If you want to write information to the metadata in the actual files, for example, this must be set to rw.
Is it a Windows share?
Will you use it as "guest"?
If not, you will be asked for a username and password. If this isn't right, the process will fail. Try logging into the directory from another machine where you can see the results first.
IP Address
If machine name doesn't work (sometimes Windows is stubborn), you can replace it with the IP address of the share. You can get this by running a CMD window (Windows Key + R, then "cmd) and ipconfig.
The IP address must be static, meaning that if you use DHCP to assign addresses, you must tell your router to give the machine the same address. This is done by linking it to the MAC address of the machine. This is often called a static or fixed lease.
Okay, I've accessed the external media support menu. I've plugged a 1TB Seagate USB3 external 2.5inch hard drive into the ID front USB port. I've selected the "Enable Read Only" command for the USB drive.
You state above that USB drives require no configuration (drive does not need to be mounted is what I understand this to mean). How do I get the USB drive to show up in the MC20 main menu so I can access the music files on the USB hard drive. Should it show up as another library - or I am I on the wrong track?. I don't quite follow your instruction above to use MC's Import options to add the locations to auto-import as I can't find the location of the USB drive. When I click on the USBO folder in the ID directory it states "Could not mount USB0 Mount: mount point / media/usb0 does not exist".
I'm having "buffering" issues accessing the files on my NAS. This has only recently started occurring. I want to access the USB hard drive to see if the problem is with the NUC or if it's a network issue. I've tried adjusting the buffering times. Making the buffering time shorter to 2 seconds makes the buffering problem occur more frequently (but short dropouts). With shorter buffering time settings I sometimes get multiple instances of buffering when playing a music track. Taking it up to 20 seconds make the dropouts occur less frequently (but subsequently last longer).
To add to the above, after some more investigation I can see either the Seagate external hard drive or a USB memory stick (depending on which is plugged into the front ID USB port) in the ID directory by browsing in "import local library". I cannot import as a local library because the folder/s is/are not empty. I was operating under the impression that the USB drive would automatically display in the connected libraries, in the same way the "main library" is displayed. However, the question still remains, how do I display (and access the music files) in a USB drive connected to the ID?
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Okay, I've accessed the external media support menu. I've plugged a 1TB Seagate USB3 external 2.5inch hard drive into the ID front USB port. I've selected the "Enable Read Only" command for the USB drive.
You state above that USB drives require no configuration (drive does not need to be mounted is what I understand this to mean). How do I get the USB drive to show up in the MC20 main menu so I can access the music files on the USB hard drive. Should it show up as another library - or I am I on the wrong track?. I don't quite follow your instruction above to use MC's Import options to add the locations to auto-import as I can't find the location of the USB drive. When I click on the USBO folder in the ID directory it states "Could not mount USB0 Mount: mount point / media/usb0 does not exist".
I'm having "buffering" issues accessing the files on my NAS. This has only recently started occurring. I want to access the USB hard drive to see if the problem is with the NUC or if it's a network issue. I've tried adjusting the buffering times. Making the buffering time shorter to 2 seconds makes the buffering problem occur more frequently (but short dropouts). With shorter buffering time settings I sometimes get multiple instances of buffering when playing a music track. Taking it up to 20 seconds make the dropouts occur less frequently (but subsequently last longer).
To add to the above, after some more investigation I can see either the Seagate external hard drive or a USB memory stick (depending on which is plugged into the front ID USB port) in the ID directory by browsing in "import local library". I cannot import as a local library because the folder/s is/are not empty. I was operating under the impression that the USB drive would automatically display in the connected libraries, in the same way the "main library" is displayed. However, the question still remains, how do I display (and access the music files) in a USB drive connected to the ID?
The usb drive will be automounted after rebooting the Id when selecting the read-only access mode that you chose.
You can add it to the auto-import by running in MC Tools->Import->Configure Auto-Import->Add->Browse to the drive location. It should be under it's own name (for example mine shows up under Seagate_Backup_Plus_Drive). If it doesn't show up there look under Filesystem->Media
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The usb drive will be automounted after rebooting the Id when selecting the read-only access mode that you chose.
You can add it to the auto-import by running in MC Tools->Import->Configure Auto-Import->Add->Browse to the drive location. It should be under it's own name (for example mine shows up under Seagate_Backup_Plus_Drive). If it doesn't show up there look under Filesystem->Media
Thank you for that. I had already got that far. But as I said in my second paragraph, I have been unable to configure a local library to play files from the USB drive (which I need to do for system testing purposes). adding the external drive in the list of locations to auto import from only allows access to music files that are already copied from my NAs (network library server). When I attempt to create a new local library in MC20 it fails, stating that the (Seagate) folder is not empty. The same goes for the "music" folder. How do I create a new folder in the Id file structure (or is there another way) that I can use to construct a local library?
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OK, I've managed to get it working. I had to manually create a folder for the library. I could not see anything regarding this on https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Library_Manager.
On a whole, i regret buying the Id. it is far from being "user friendly". I should have stuck to the Windows version of the software on another NUC.
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After I shut the Id down and restarted it later the new "Seagate" library has disappeared.
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After I shut the Id down and restarted it later the new "Seagate" library has disappeared.
I'm sorry to hear you are having so many issues with it.
Where on the Id filesystem did you create the library?
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If you have a USB 3.0 drive, I think you need to plug it in the front USB port. It's the only USB 3.0 port on the Id.
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Thanks Jim. This is in response to your responses to my thread "Mounted NAS drive can't be found" in the general Id section of the forum.
I had read the thread and the Install Guide before I mounted the drive. I followed the instructions to the letter, including signing in to the NAS as Admin with a password. The Id said that I had mounted the drive successfully and gave me the name for it. Are you saying the software can tell me I was successful, but I really wasn't? If Yes, should I revert the Id to default settings (77 - Enter) and start over or is it easier to dismount the NAS drive (which I have no idea how to do)? If the latter, I need specific instructions that take into account the fact that the drive cannot be found by the ID and so cannot be clicked on.
While I have had intermittent network issues, overall the network is strong. I have no problems with using Sonos in 4 different zones, with using an Olive 04HD (and you know what an unreliable, dodgy-software machine that is), both controlled with iPad. I also have no problems with web-surfing or email, though those are probably far less relevant. So I don't believe the issues are network-related.
As far as using all caps, while I didn't do it for the usual reason, I am extremely frustrated as I have been posting on the forum for over a year and still don't have either of my MC systems working properly. You have answered a number of my posts and I thank you for that.
To summarize, 2 brand new Mac Minis crashed MC20 continuously; the Dell laptop at my client's home on a different, strong network (no problem streaming video on the DirecTV Genie system) repeatedly gets stuck on one note and requires a power cycling reboot of the REFStream renderer to stop it; the Toshiba laptop plays files using MC21 from the same NAS drive the Id can't see, but JRemote on the iPad Air can only connect to the Toshiba maybe 1 in 10 times (that is either a Toshiba or network issue and I've been trying to get my IT guy to deal with it, but he's too busy on big projects with other clients). John Stronczer at Bel Canto says the Id will take care of the one-note problem, but I must first get one to work on my system before I am willing to put it in his system (same renderer and NAS drive as mine)
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Jim, I just did a lot of clicking around and finally found my music folder by going to Tools, Import, Import a single folder, Browse, File System (under Places at left side of window), mnt (in a long list under Name at right side), Open, check only Audio in Import these file types, clicked the down arrow at right of /mnt & selected /home/media/Music and finally Finish. It then started to load my library. There is nothing in the Id Install Guide about this process and it isn’t at all obvious, except maybe to a computer geek. Nowhere in this process did I see /mntmusic, which is what I was told to look for by Id after it said I successfully mounted the NAS.
Is there a simpler path to setting up the library import or does the above sound correct?
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P.S. Most importantly, JRemote is connected to the Id and I am playing sweet, sweet music on my system.
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Jim, I just did a lot of clicking around and finally found my music folder by going to Tools, Import, Import a single folder, Browse, File System (under Places at left side of window), mnt (in a long list under Name at right side), Open, check only Audio in Import these file types, clicked the down arrow at right of /mnt & selected /home/media/Music and finally Finish. It then started to load my library. There is nothing in the Id Install Guide about this process and it isn’t at all obvious, except maybe to a computer geek. Nowhere in this process did I see /mntmusic, which is what I was told to look for by Id after it said I successfully mounted the NAS.
Is there a simpler path to setting up the library import or does the above sound correct?
Did you specify the path to music directory on the NAS as opposed to one of the upper level directories of the NAS for mounting?
Whever directory on the NAS you specify should show up under /mnt on the Id.
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Thanks Bob. I think you realized part of the problem. Earlier today I saw that while I was able to do the first import, none of the new files I added to the NAS were showing up in MC20 in the Id, but they were showing up in MC21 in my Windows laptop. I went through the Auto-import setup process again and found by trial & error, that instead of clicking on the arrow next to /mnt, if I clicked on Open at the lower right (of the window where you add files to check on), that window closes and it goes back one window to show /mnt/music folder in the Browse window, instead of just showing the higher level /mnt folder. The original /mnt folder probably worked for the initial download because no other folder but the music folder on the NAS has anything in it.
But there is a new problem, which I will start a new thread for: Library in Id does not sync with NAS music folder.
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I'm having a hard time with Id setup, specifically setting the file location preferences. I want the folder I use for accessing music files to be the same as the folder where auto-import looks.
Since the mainmenu doesn't have the options to set the folder to watch for new media, I used the GUI interface Tools-> Options and I cannot find a way to browse my network locations.
I'd also like to be able to specify backup files be saved on the network, and I had to borrow an HDMI monitor, so once I set this, I intend to go headless, and pray it all works.
What am I missing to be able to see my network folders for specifying in Options?
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I'm having a hard time with Id setup, specifically setting the file location preferences. I want the folder I use for accessing music files to be the same as the folder where auto-import looks.
Since the mainmenu doesn't have the options to set the folder to watch for new media, I used the GUI interface Tools-> Options and I cannot find a way to browse my network locations.
I'd also like to be able to specify backup files be saved on the network, and I had to borrow an HDMI monitor, so once I set this, I intend to go headless, and pray it all works.
What am I missing to be able to see my network folders for specifying in Options?
To browse folders on network drives or external locations, you will need to mount them first. This can be done from the Id Main Menu or from Panel. From the Id Main Menu you'll need to access the External Media Menu (Option 20). From there, you'll want to select Add under Network Drives (Option 10). Follow the instructions to mount the network share. It will tell you if you're successful or not. Once it is successful, reboot the Id. The next time it boots, the network share will be in the /mnt folder.
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Did option 20 and then 10 (UNC path, foldername, non-windows, non-guest, username & pwd), but if you think I can determine from the report whether or not I successfully connected, you've overestimated my technical skills. Perhaps I can deduce that - since I cannot see my network drive folders when trying to drill down through the GUI - I have failed.
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Did option 20 and then 10 (UNC path, foldername, non-windows, non-guest, username & pwd), but if you think I can determine from the report whether or not I successfully connected, you've overestimated my technical skills. Perhaps I can deduce that - since I cannot see my network drive folders when trying to drill down through the GUI - I have failed.
If you're getting a long report for a response, it sounds like it was successful. What you should see is a message like, "Checking to see if we can access <source>." If it fails it should just say "FAILURE," but if it's successful, you should see something like, "Success" followed by the mount report. However, you're still not seeing <foldername> in the /mnt directory? Sometimes it can take a few seconds to populate the list of shares in the /mnt directory.
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OK, this is helpful. I can't see the /mnt folder yet, but I have a quick question that may lead to success.
Obviously, you have to have a little bit of knowledge about networks, directories, etc. to set this up. As I don't work in UNC much, and I don't know linux at all, here's my intended setup (please alert me if you see red flags anyone!)
Media files (album artwork and songs): //BYTOR/Multimedia/SongVault/
Backup files: //BYTOR/Multimedia/libraryBKUP/
If I set the path in the Id setup for //BYTOR/Multimedia/, do I end it with the slash?
What do I set as the folder name in the next question? SongVault? SongVault/?
I'm unclear about how these two questions work.
Thanks.
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OK, this is helpful. I can't see the /mnt folder yet, but I have a quick question that may lead to success.
You should always be able to see the mnt directory. If you bring up the file browser on the Id (such as when you go to browse for a folder to add to auto-import), in the list on the left side of the file browser is the "File System" link. If you select that, you should see the mnt directory. You could also just enter /mnt as the folder and then click browse. It should take you into the mnt directory.
Media files (album artwork and songs): //BYTOR/Multimedia/SongVault/
Backup files: //BYTOR/Multimedia/libraryBKUP/
I don't see any problems with that setup.
If I set the path in the Id setup for //BYTOR/Multimedia/, do I end it with the slash?
What do I set as the folder name in the next question? SongVault? SongVault/?
The path does not need to end in a forward slash, but it should still work if it does.
The folder name cannot contain a forward slash. It's just the directory name that appears in mnt, and using a forward slash can do things like move the folder around the file system or create subfolders.
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Thank you, almost there.
Sounds like what I need to specify in the "Path to share" is:
//BYTOR/Multimedia/
And the "Directory name on this machine" is:
SongVault
Look right?
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Sounds like what I need to specify in the "Path to share" is:
//BYTOR/Multimedia/
And the "Directory name on this machine" is:
SongVault
Look right?
That should work. It should give you access to SongVault and libraryBKUP. You can use whatever you would like for a directory name, as long as it doesn't have a forward slash or period, so SongVault will work. I just want to be clear that the directory name does not need to be SongVault just because that's part of the path.
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When I first set up my NUC I too struggled with and understanding of the mnt folder and consequently ended up with about 10 useless entries an consequently duff folders.
Can these be deleted? and also old no longer needed back ups?
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When I first set up my NUC I too struggled with and understanding of the mnt folder and consequently ended up with about 10 useless entries an consequently duff folders.
Can these be deleted? and also old no longer needed back ups?
The mount points aren't important. You can safely leave them. Any references to non-existent files from those former mount points in MC on the Id can just be removed.
As for the backups? Are you talking about the library backups?
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The mount points aren't important. You can safely leave them. Any references to non-existent files from those former mount points in MC on the Id can just be removed.
As for the backups? Are you talking about the library backups?
Yes Bob
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Yes Bob
The library backups are rotated so you don't really need to worry about them however you may delete them if you wish.
You might want to copy one off once in a while just to be safe.
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The mount points aren't important. You can safely leave them. Any references to non-existent files from those former mount points in MC on the Id can just be removed.
Bob,
While I don't dispute that that the old mount points are not affecting the system, I for one would like to remove old ones. As a case in point, when I upgraded my Id to Ver 22, my link to my NAS broke. While trying to repair it, I was dealing with several abandoned-in-place references in the mnt directory. Those don't work, but of course have names very close to what I need, so I had to fight through trial and error to find the right one to use. It would have save me a lot of aggravation if I could clean them up so that only the valid mount point was listed.
My son, the Linux user, couldn't figure out how to pop out of the menuing to remove the references, something to do with not knowing what shell to use or something. Is there a way to delete these, even though they are not directly impacting system performance?
TIA
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Bob,
While I don't dispute that that the old mount points are not affecting the system, I for one would like to remove old ones. As a case in point, when I upgraded my Id to Ver 22, my link to my NAS broke. While trying to repair it, I was dealing with several abandoned-in-place references in the mnt directory. Those don't work, but of course have names very close to what I need, so I had to fight through trial and error to find the right one to use. It would have save me a lot of aggravation if I could clean them up so that only the valid mount point was listed.
My son, the Linux user, couldn't figure out how to pop out of the menuing to remove the references, something to do with not knowing what shell to use or something. Is there a way to delete these, even though they are not directly impacting system performance?
TIA
Probably something that could be added to the system menu in an upcoming update.
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Probably something that could be added to the system menu in an upcoming update.
You have my vote.
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Just received my NUC after a long shipping delay...unpackaged it, connected it, and had it running in minutes. That was the easy part...if all I wanted was a player. To replace my windows server, I need to connect it to my Synology NAS.
I finally had to enable samba version 1 (a legacy version) on the NAS just to get it to see the drives/folders. Then, it wouldn't actually mount the folder with a read only error (which likely wasn't the problem).
Eventually, I tried the IP address for the NAS instead of the proper system name. Viola! It properly mounted the folders and within seconds imported my music folder. Well, wasn't that fun?
Now, I have many folders created on the NUC while I was trouble shooting these read only errors (that wasn't really the problem) with no method of removing them.
Now, I need a method of cleaning up these garbage folders on the NUC so I don't try to use them in the future if I want to upgrade my NAS, music location, whatever, that might cause me to have to setup the mount again. JRiver locks them so that even an experienced AIX/Unix/Linux user can't just login and clean them up.
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I have been trying to connect to my synology nas using my raspberry pi 3b+ and have followed the instructions given in this thread. The problem I seem to be having is that my folder name that I am trying to connect too in the NAS is called -- All Music -- which obviously is a split name. I can attach to the -- Music -- folder but that doesn't get me where I need to be. Is there special syntax I need to use when connecting to a folder with 2 words? Does the underscore work in this version of UNIX?
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Can you browse to it?
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I have been trying to connect to my synology nas using my raspberry pi 3b+ and have followed the instructions given in this thread. The problem I seem to be having is that my folder name that I am trying to connect too in the NAS is called -- All Music -- which obviously is a split name. I can attach to the -- Music -- folder but that doesn't get me where I need to be. Is there special syntax I need to use when connecting to a folder with 2 words? Does the underscore work in this version of UNIX?
You could try using a backslash just before each space, so for example: /All\ Music/. Otherwise, if the All Music folder is within the Music folder, you'll be fine mounting the Music folder because that will still allow you to browse all the sub folders of Music on the Id.
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NAS is a Terra Master F4-220, static IP 192.168.1.30. Wireless network, the 'Pi is at 192.168.1.218.
They're wired to the same switch. I have KVM on the Pi, couldn't get VNC to work. I've updated the device.
On a browser, from the 'Pi I can go to the Terra Master from the *.30 IP either wired or wireless, so network-wise- it can be seen from the small computer through FireFox.
When I log onto the Terra Master, it pops up with 192.168.1.30:8181/3.0/index.php?user/login (from the 'file explorer in Windows 10) and it works fine on my desktop.
The TM on the network calls itself TNAS-006537 the folder I'm looking to access is public or Public directory.
I believe the TM is a Linux run machine.
Admin is the UN, and I've added the correct password to option 10 so many times, only to keep getting Failure.
A good friend is using his in a similar fashion (his is wired) so undoubtedly it's something simple.
BTW, I'm listening to the NAS now on a desktop with your 30 day trial SW.
Thanks!
Mike
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The first post in this thread has instructions. Did you double check against that?
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The first post in this thread has instructions. Did you double check against that?
Yes I have, and many other searches on the same. I posted here as a final option.
Thanks for the quick comeback...
I've done //192.168.1.30/public many times, sometimes //192.168.1.30/public/Progressive rock download (the active file on the NAS) several times.
RW and RO as well, but from the 1'st post they're not causing trouble.
I've done both no and yes on the Windows question, neither works.
Answering yes on the Guest question makes "Failure" show up really fast.
Admin and correct PW as well, to immediately be followed by 'checking to see...' "Failure"
Mike
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Firewall?
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I wouldn't think so, Jim.
Both devices are plugged into the same cheapy 4 port unmanaged switch.
Kept everything local until it works, then the NAS goes off into a tech closet under the stairs.
I know the Raspberry Pi can see the NAS from the browser, I've just got to figure the settings so the software can too.
Got any more examples of the syntax using an IP number as a destination, or other pages I could read up on? I imagine your time is tight, and I'm trying to learn as much as I can. (It has to work- at some point, but it's cool to work with it. I bought 2 of them, so it'll be easier setting up the second one) This setup offers the best value in a server package that I've seen, it's OK that it's a bit recalcitrant.
Thanks!
Mike
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What are you entering for "Path to the share"? What is the exact name of the public folder as it appears on your network? What are you entering for "Directory name on this machine"?
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Hi Brad, thanks for jumping in, but I just got it.
It turns out that I had renamed the NAS as "NAS" and the software wanted it entered as TNAS-006537.
Along with the //192.168.1.30/public.
So I'm in, and thanks to everyone!
Mike.
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Hi again folks.
External media menu 12 shows:
1 //192.168.1.30/Public/Progressive /mnt/TNAS-006537 -oro,credentials
=/home/media/52e73bcef264adb3c276ad21ccc086ec
Option 13 shows:
Available Shares
Hit ENTER to return...(Available Shares is blank.)
And the JRiver Media Center Id has a message:
Error resolving 'jriver.com': Name or service not known
How (or maybe more importantly; where) do I point the library to to get the software to access the drive?
File...Library...Connect to remote library... Library server (with access key) shows nothing
'Local Library' 'Browse' shows cifsmounts (greyed out) a long hex number (also greyed) another long hex (greyed) A Folder= Video )not greyed, but empty and so on.
Thanks as always.
Mike
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Hi again folks.
External media menu 12 shows:
1 //192.168.1.30/Public/Progressive /mnt/TNAS-006537 -oro,credentials
=/home/media/52e73bcef264adb3c276ad21ccc086ec
Option 13 shows:
Available Shares
Hit ENTER to return...(Available Shares is blank.)
And the JRiver Media Center Id has a message:
Error resolving 'jriver.com': Name or service not known
How (or maybe more importantly; where) do I point the library to to get the software to access the drive?
File...Library...Connect to remote library... Library server (with access key) shows nothing
'Local Library' 'Browse' shows cifsmounts (greyed out) a long hex number (also greyed) another long hex (greyed) A Folder= Video )not greyed, but empty and so on.
Thanks as always.
Mike
After you added the share did you reboot the Id? It won't be mounted until the reboot.
Also make totally sure on the case of the share. I noticed above you referenced it in on place as public and another as Public
Once you have the share mounted properly, you will just treat it as a local filesystem in MC on the Id, not as a loadable library (those are for DLNA servers and MC library servers).
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I must not have it loaded properly, although media menu 12 shows:
1 //192.168.1.30/Public/Progressive /mnt/TNAS-006537 -oro,credentials
=/home/media/52e73bcef264adb3c276ad21ccc086ec
Going to File> open media file>gets me cifsmounts (grayed out) 130 bytes.
cifsmounts has the correct URL, but isn't selectable.
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If you've rebooted the Id, you can access the folders on the NAS from /mnt. In the file browser, click on Computer and open the mnt folder. In that folder, you should see TNAS-006537, which should show the files in "Public/Progressive."
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Thanks Brad, you got it!
Now to set up the other one.
Thanks for all the advice and particularly your indulgence for a newb.
How do I set that file to the audio library, so it knows to look there?
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Thanks Brad, you got it!
Now to set up the other one.
Thanks for all the advice and particularly your indulgence for a newb.
How do I set that file to the audio library, so it knows to look there?
Add the mount point to the auto-import settings in MC under Tools->Import
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Your levels of magnificence continue to rise. (You're probably tired of hearing that)
Thanks everyone.
Mike
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I'm trying to get my id up and running again. Successfully upgraded to MC24.
Now trying to mount my Synology NAS DS412+. The NAS is working fine on my Windows machine with MC25.
I followed the instructions as far as I can tell accessing the "External Media Menu".
> Add
> My NAS music directory appears as Music (\\nas) (S:) under "This PC".
> So here is the following sequence I followed:
- Path to share = //nas/Music ( I've also tried //NAS/
- Directory name on this machine (assuming this means Id) - mynas
- Read-Only..ro
- Access //nas/Music as guest user - y
And received "Failure" response.
Also, it looks like "NAS" is listed as one of the libraries on MC along with other libraries i.e. Main Library, etc. It is described as -" 'NAS" is a DLNA library from a device on the network."
I'm sure I'm entering something incorrectly.
BTW, I can see the id listed as a "DMA" in the Device List of the Synology Media Server package so at least the NAS knows the id is there.
Any help would be appreciated. Spending way too much time futzing with this.
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I'm trying to get my id up and running again. Successfully upgraded to MC24.
Now trying to mount my Synology NAS DS412+. The NAS is working fine on my Windows machine with MC25.
I followed the instructions as far as I can tell accessing the "External Media Menu".
> Add
> My NAS music directory appears as Music (\\nas) (S:) under "This PC".
> So here is the following sequence I followed:
- Path to share = //nas/Music ( I've also tried //NAS/
- Directory name on this machine (assuming this means Id) - mynas
- Read-Only..ro
- Access //nas/Music as guest user - y
And received "Failure" response.
This looks fine. Are you sure the NAS is mountable as guest?
What did you answer to the question about it being a "windows" share?
Also, it looks like "NAS" is listed as one of the libraries on MC along with other libraries i.e. Main Library, etc. It is described as -" 'NAS" is a DLNA library from a device on the network."
I'm sure I'm entering something incorrectly.
BTW, I can see the id listed as a "DMA" in the Device List of the Synology Media Server package so at least the NAS knows the id is there.
Any help would be appreciated. Spending way too much time futzing with this.
The NAS is also showing up as a DLNA library on your Id. You CAN access it that way but you'll get more flexibility if you can get the file share to work.
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Bob,
This looks fine. Are you sure the NAS is mountable as guest?
What did you answer to the question about it being a "windows" share?
The NAS is also showing up as a DLNA library on your Id. You CAN access it that way but you'll get more flexibility if you can get the file share to work.
> For “windows share” option I’ve tried both. What should it be?
> I’m not sure whether the NAS is mountable as a guest. When I set up the NFS permissions on the NAS that was not an explicit option.
Also, I noticed on the the NAS NFS permissions page that “mount path” = /volume1/Music
Do I need to include that in the “path to share” field?
I assume I have the correct IP address for the Id for the NAS permissions - 192.168.1.149
Thanks
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Bob,> For “windows share” option I’ve tried both. What should it be?
> I’m not sure whether the NAS is mountable as a guest. When I set up the NFS permissions on the NAS that was not an explicit option.
Also, I noticed on the the NAS NFS permissions page that “mount path” = /volume1/Music
Do I need to include that in the “path to share” field?
I assume I have the correct IP address for the Id for the NAS permissions - 192.168.1.149
Thanks
It should NOT be set as a windows share since the NAS is almost certainly running linux.
The Id will try to mount the volume as cifs/samba, not NFS. What path is setup on the NAS for cifs/samba?
Do you have guest access enabled for that?
When setting it up on Windows did you need to enter a name/password?
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OK Bob, got 'er working. Problem was on the NAS end.
SMB was always enabled since that is what's used for Win and Mac anyway.
I went a bit deeper into the guest account permissions and saw that an option - "Disable this account", then sub-option -"Immediately" was checked for some reason! WTF. Maybe as a security measure or something I guess. Unchecked that and seemed to do the trick.
At any rate, the following Add sequence worked:
Share path- //NAS/Music
Directory name on this machine - mynas w RW permision
Is this a Windows computer - No
Access as guest user - y
This time it worked, with Id directory /mnt/mynas.
Thanks for your help!
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Hey,
I tried to install my ID Pi and to mount a my Synology NAS but was not successfull. I think I entered everything correct. But all i get i FAILURE.
See the attached jpg. I am clueless at the moment what i can do, to fix this. Maybe there is some hint for me.
best regards
Peter
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Hey,
I tried to install my ID Pi and to mount a my Synology NAS but was not successfull. I think I entered everything correct. But all i get i FAILURE.
See the attached jpg. I am clueless at the moment what i can do, to fix this. Maybe there is some hint for me.
best regards
Peter
Everything looks fine to me.
Have you tried it read-only (ro)?
Does it connect with the same parameters from a Windows or Mac computer??
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Hello Bob,
I tried everything. It also works on my Windows and Mac computer and on my old MC 20 Id Pi Installation. See the attached picture. Dont care about the path 192.168.0.25/Music instead of ...../Musik in the prevoius screenshot. I did a misspelling when i made it. It also does not work with the right spelling. Dont know whats wrong
best regards
Peter
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Hello Bob,
I tried everything. It also works on my Windows and Mac computer and on my old MC 20 Id Pi Installation. See the attached picture. Dont care about the path 192.168.0.25/Music instead of ...../Musik in the prevoius screenshot. I did a misspelling when i made it. It also does not work with the right spelling. Dont know whats wrong
best regards
Peter
Hi Peter,
One thing to note is that it's case sensitive (ie music vs Music).
If it still doesn't work send me a PM please.
Thanks,
Bob
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Hi,
I have just had to replace my WD 4TB drive that has failed due to an intermittent connection on the Socket that goes in the side of the drive caddy.
I have replaced it with the equivalent Seagate one.
I’m having problems getting the the ID NUC to recognise this reliably. The drive is a clone of my Synology NAS that I use at home with just under 30,000 files on it.
When I try to do an import to the NUC it whizzes through a couple of thousand then MC closes and restarts.
If I look at what it has managed to import ii is only cover art no music at all.
I have today rebuilt the Nuc from the repair image and done an update to to .123 and it still behaves the same way.
The files system on the Seagate is ext 4 as it was formatted on the Synology.
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Hi,
I have just had to replace my WD 4TB drive that has failed due to an intermittent connection on the Socket that goes in the side of the drive caddy.
I have replaced it with the equivalent Seagate one.
I’m having problems getting the the ID NUC to recognise this reliably. The drive is a clone of my Synology NAS that I use at home with just under 30,000 files on it.
When I try to do an import to the NUC it whizzes through a couple of thousand then MC closes and restarts.
If I look at what it has managed to import ii is only cover art no music at all.
I have today rebuilt the Nuc from the repair image and done an update to to .123 and it still behaves the same way.
The files system on the Seagate is ext 4 as it was formatted on the Synology.
Unfortunately that's likely a bad file on the new drive. MC on the Id restarts automatically.
The log files produced by MC with logging on would likely find the issue. Since it's restarting it would be the Previous Log.txt file.
You can turn on logging in MC.
Reproduce the problem.
Wait for MC to restart.
Go into logging and hit "Report Problem"
Go to any file in your library, right-click on it and do locate on disk external to get a file browser.
Click on the home icon
Double click on desktop under home.
The zip file to send will be there.
Next in that desktop directory, right-click do Window->Parent, new Window
in that new window, navigate up two levels then to export->media
Drag and drop the log zip file into there.
Now you can retrieve it from a Mac or Windows PC from the Internal Storage share and see what the last file is.
If it's not a totally corrupted file it wight be useful for us to get the log and probably the file.
Thanks.
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Not sure this is the right topic, but I'm giving a try.
I have my id-pi connected to a usb drive (no issue there)
Besides unhooking it to copy to files to the drive, how would I connect a separate usb drive temporarily and copy the files i want to the main drive? or import and copy the files at the same time?
Thanks, I have the latest mc25 version 114.
Andy Kessel
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One way to do it would be to use the tool in MC called Rename, Move, & Copy.
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Looking at the Id. I see that there is a version that has a 2TB drive in it. My music collection is 2.5TB, so the question is twofold...
1) Can a 4TB internal drive be used or,
2) Can an external 4TB USB 3 drive be used?
Thanks, Chris
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You can use an external USB drive.
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You can use an external USB drive.
just to be perfectly clear. There is no 2TB limit on external drives with the ID?
Thanks, Chris
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just to be perfectly clear. There is no 2TB limit on external drives with the ID?
Thanks, Chris
There is no 2TB limit.
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Thanks!
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You have my vote.
Not sure when you added it in, but I see it is there now. Thanks! It was great to get the old trials out of there. ;)
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Hi,
I have an ID (NUC5CPYH). I installed the latest firmware and bios.
I added an external Samsung Portable SSD T5 (1TB) and enabled the read / write option.
But I can't find the drive in the Home / Media folder. The drive is displayed in the BIOS.
Does anyone have any idea where the error is?
Thanks Mike
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Hi,
I have an ID (NUC5CPYH). I installed the latest firmware and bios.
I added an external Samsung Portable SSD T5 (1TB) and enabled the read / write option.
But I can't find the drive in the Home / Media folder. The drive is displayed in the BIOS.
Does anyone have any idea where the error is?
Thanks Mike
When browsing the file system, on the left you should see a button labeled Filesystem. You want to look under Filesystem/media. You should see a folder there with the external drive name.
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When browsing the file system, on the left you should see a button labeled Filesystem. You want to look under Filesystem/media. You should see a folder there with the external drive name.
When I navigate to file system, on the left side I see cdrom0,usb0,Computer. When I choose Computer the folder /media is complete empty.
The same with 20:External Media Menu
1: Enable Read-Write on /media/[label]
reboot
4: Display Status: -> No drive is listed
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I deleted NTFS partition and created a new Ext4 with gparted.
Now the external drive is mounted. There seemed a problem with the nfts partition. Although it was available in windows. (read and write)
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Hi,
Longtime JRiver user, but an Id noob. I've managed to get the NUC set up on my network and I've enabled the connection to external media (using my NAS's IP address then /Multimedia since that's where my sub-folders live for Music and Video). I got a confirmation it mounted and can see it in option 12 (the Display Configuration). However, I'm not seeing the NUC in my laptop JRiver "Playing Now" section. I can see it on the network on my PC though.
So to attempt to make a connection in JRiver, I then added a new library using the access key for the Id that I found in the "panel" webpage that I got to when clicking on the Id icon under Media Devices in the PC's Network page. However, it's only showing the single "Ghost Dance" music file that is pre-loaded on the NUC, not the contents of my "multimedia" folders on my NAS.
Also, was I supposed to enter the MC ID registration code that came on the slip with the Id somewhere? I didn't see that in the Install Guide instructions... ? :P
Any tips?
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Make sure you have Options > Media Network turned on for both machines.
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Make sure you have Options > Media Network turned on for both machines.
Thank you for your response, Jim. My main issue was that I didn't realize I needed to input the MC ID registration code that came on the slip. That wasn't in the Install Guide instructions and I had assumed the Id came with JRiver already activated. Once I figured that out and enabled the GUI option I was able to work within the Id's JRiver program on my TV (with an attached keyboard to the Id) and configure the import options to point to the "mnt" folder in the Id. I then configured the audio device using HDMI from the Id to the receiver. I seem to be all set now.