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More => Old Versions => Media Center 14 (Development Ended) => Topic started by: JimH on November 04, 2009, 06:07:06 pm
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Bob has been cranking away at getting PS3 and Xbox to play media files from our UPnP server (should probably be named DLNA now).
Please use the latest build from the top of this board.
This improves support on devices like the Philips Streamium.
EDIT -- Please use the latest build from this board.
Choose the device you have in the options for the UPnP Server (under Devices in the MC tree).If you choose PS3, you may need to restart the UPnP Server and also search for servers again on the PS3.
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I've been begging for this one for years so I'm pretty excited to see that it is getting some attention! Here is my quick feedback from the 5mins I got to test while my son was trying to play COD5.
1) PS3 Recognition: ;D Big improvement - set the MC UPnP server to Options to "Automatic" and guess what - it just worked! Well done!
2) Presentation in the PS3: OK you need to get the MC Icon appearing in the PS3 (everyone else does) as yours is just the default "grey device".
3) Browsing in the PS3: In the PS3 you navigate to the Audio, Images, and Video section in the CrossBar then select your UPnP/DLNA server. When selecting the MC server you should then see the folders IN EITHER Audio, Images, Video as appropriate BUT you actually see the top level folders of Audio, Images, and Video (and while you can navigate the structure of all three only the content of the relevant type is shown)
4a) Playing Content (supported file type): ;D Seems fine, streamed and played Video, Audio, Pic content just perfectly!
4b) Playing Content (transcoding required): :'( This is the big one for me and what a quality UPnP/DLNA server such as TVersity / PS3Server does so well. I have three test cases from transcoding to a format that the PS3 can play.
Audio: These have work before and I'm sure are find but:
- WMA Lossless Audio (and I presume FLAC) Files: The file would play but all I would hear is static. Settings were "Convert audio if necessary" & "Uncompressed WAV" (need to test "Convert Always")
Video: Still no Conversion Options so I'm not expecting these will work yet but here is a couple of test cases to consider:
- MPEG2/DTS Streams in MPG Container: File would play but no sound. This is a typical problem as the audio steam needs to be transcoded even if the container is supported.
- DV-AVI Video Files: These are standard DV Camcorder footage in an AVI container and while very common few AV Devices will play them without on the fly transcoding. Typical issues are handling 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratio correctly when streaming.
I've really not had much chance to test all the combinations but it seems the BIG missing feature VS progs like TVersity / PS Media Server is still the lack of Video Transcoding (I'm sure the rest is straight forward).
yours in UPnP/DLNA test bliss
Nathan
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I've been begging for this one for years so I'm pretty excited to see that it is getting some attention! Here is my quick feedback from the 5mins I got to test while my son was trying to play COD5.
1) PS3 Recognition: ;D Big improvement - set the MC UPnP server to Options to "Automatic" and guess what - it just worked! Well done!
I did some work on that but wasn't totally expecting it to work. Good to know
2) Presentation in the PS3: OK you need to get the MC Icon appearing in the PS3 (everyone else does) as yours is just the default "grey device".
Agreed. There is no icon support in the upnp server at this time. It's on the list of additions.
3) Browsing in the PS3: In the PS3 you navigate to the Audio, Images, and Video section in the CrossBar then select your UPnP/DLNA server. When selecting the MC server you should then see the folders IN EITHER Audio, Images, Video as appropriate BUT you actually see the top level folders of Audio, Images, and Video (and while you can navigate the structure of all three only the content of the relevant type is shown)
Just got pictures and video working in the last build and I just got a chance to test it on my son's ps/3 last night and saw the same thing. This might require a ps/3 specific switch since the ps/3 is pretty much DLNA compliant other than that (standalone players see a top level hierarchy).
4a) Playing Content (supported file type): ;D Seems fine, streamed and played Video, Audio, Pic content just perfectly!
4b) Playing Content (transcoding required): :'( This is the big one for me and what a quality UPnP/DLNA server such as TVersity / PS3Server does so well. I have three test cases from transcoding to a format that the PS3 can play.
Audio: These have work before and I'm sure are fine but:
- WMA Lossless Audio (and I presume FLAC) Files: The file would play but all I would hear is static. Settings were "Convert audio if necessary" & "Uncompressed WAV" (need to test "Convert Always")
I'll check this again, it was working. It could be a side effect of the changes for the xbox. The only real difference between "Convert audio if necessary" & "Convert Always" is that "Convert Always" will also do the conversion even if it the file type matches the encoder selected.
The logic here is a bit unusual. The "Convert audio if necessary" will convert ANYTHING to the encoder plugin selected if the original type doesn't match the selected encoder.
Video: Still no Conversion Options so I'm not expecting these will work yet but here is a couple of test cases to consider:
- MPEG2/DTS Streams in MPG Container: File would play but no sound. This is a typical problem as the audio steam needs to be transcoded even if the container is supported.
- DV-AVI Video Files: These are standard DV Camcorder footage in an AVI container and while very common few AV Devices will play them without on the fly transcoding. Typical issues are handling 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratio correctly when streaming.
I've really not had much chance to test all the combinations but it seems the BIG missing feature VS progs like TVersity / PS Media Server is still the lack of Video Transcoding (I'm sure the rest is straight forward).
yours in UPnP/DLNA test bliss
Nathan
I agree that it would be nice to get video transcoding working.
Thanks a LOT for the feedback on this.
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jmone, could you try setting the server type to "DLNA (Philips 2500, etc)" instead of using "autodetect" and report back on the wave transcoding issue?
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1) PS3 Recognition: ;D Big improvement - set the MC UPnP server to Options to "Automatic" and guess what - it just worked! Well done!
The PS3 does come up when set to Automatic, which of course is good. But I suggest also adding it to the list of receivers. It eliminates some questions and further reinforces that this is a supported device.
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I think JRiver commitment to the Xbox and PS3 is a great thing. There are a lot of households that have these devices. All the other software I've tried, at least on the PS3, pale in comparison to MC so hopefully this will drive additional MC licenses.
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jmone, could you try setting the server type to "DLNA (Philips 2500, etc)" instead of using "autodetect" and report back on the wave transcoding issue?
;D Changed Receiver setting to "DLNA" and all files types (WMA, FLAC, MP3) were reported by the PS3 as PCM and played correctly
:'( Changed Receiver setting to "Automatic" and all files types (WMA, FLAC, MP3) were reported by the PS3 as PCM but played static (i did get one burst of song once then it went to static). Note the MC log reported "Cannot autodetect device, User-Agent: PLAYSTATION 3"
Also - please let me know if you need any specific test, logs or transcripts etc
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The PS3 does come up when set to Automatic, which of course is good. But I suggest also adding it to the list of receivers. It eliminates some questions and further reinforces that this is a supported device.
I sort of see that a different approach is needed. At present you can have MC select the receiver type as either "Automatic" or ONE particular type....which is not going to work in households with different types of receivers. Ideally, MC's UPnP/DLNA server configuration should have:
Receiver Profiles
1) Robust Auto detection of Receiver types and simultaneous support for multiple connection from different receiver types
2) Default configures loaded for most popular Receiver types (incl PS3)
3) Ability to edit these configurations
4) Ability to add new customised configurations
Transcoding Options: For each of the above profiles the settings should include:
1) Audio Transcode Options for each Container (WMA / MP3 / FLAC etc) and contents (eg convert if over certain bit rate, or if it is WMA Lossless but not standard WMA etc)
2) Video Transcode Options for each Container (MPG / AVI / MKV / MOV etc) and each of the streams it may contain, Video (eg MPEG1/2/4, VC1, DV, etc)
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I got a bit more testing in till my son threw me off to play COD.
;D It really is quite stable, quick to browse and for the most part navigation works. Couple of other items I noticed not covered in other posts and in no particular order
* I received a lot of "DLNA Protocol error 2104 has occurred" msg on the PS3 when browsing / playing tracks and also a "7531" error once when scanning for Media Servers. Neither of which prevented any playback - is the 2104 error related to the lack of Track Thumbnails perhaps.
* As Video transcoding is not yet supported, you see a lot of "Unsupported" video types when browsing. You also get a few "the content can not be played" and "the data type is not supported" when trying to play video files where the container is supported but the PS3 does not like the video stream.
* The navigation on the PS3 is far to verbose. For example if I select on the PS3 XBAR "Video---> Media Center" I'm then presented with the following tree representing my library (only a part is expanded)
Audio
Images
Video-------->
Playlists
Calendar
Disk Location
File Type / Genre / Name
Genre / Album / Year
Genre / Artist / Album
All Genres (6)
Home Videos
Movies ------------------>
Music Videos
TV Series
Utilities
Unassigned
Movies--------->
Movies----------->
File A
File B
etc
By Comparison in TheaterView I'd see:
Audio
Images
Video--------->
Television
etc
All Genres (6)
Home Videos
Movies ------------------>(note: Theaterview suppresses the additional Movies / Movies)
Music Videos
TV Series
Utilities
Unassigned
File A
File B
etc
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The PS3 does come up when set to Automatic, which of course is good. But I suggest also adding it to the list of receivers. It eliminates some questions and further reinforces that this is a supported device.
I was thinking of doing that as well since other DLNA devices don't necessarily support image/video content and that's an issue now that the PS3 can.
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;D Changed Receiver setting to "DLNA" and all files types (WMA, FLAC, MP3) were reported by the PS3 as PCM and played correctly
:'( Changed Receiver setting to "Automatic" and all files types (WMA, FLAC, MP3) were reported by the PS3 as PCM but played static (i did get one burst of song once then it went to static). Note the MC log reported "Cannot autodetect device, User-Agent: PLAYSTATION 3"
Also - please let me know if you need any specific test, logs or transcripts etc
Thanks, I'll see about adding that User-Agent to the auto detect.
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I sort of see that a different approach is needed. At present you can have MC select the receiver type as either "Automatic" or ONE particular type....which is not going to work in households with different types of receivers. Ideally, MC's UPnP/DLNA server configuration should have:
Will check into this. I was thinking this issue would come up also.
Receiver Profiles
1) Robust Auto detection of Receiver types and simultaneous support for multiple connection from different receiver types
2) Default configures loaded for most popular Receiver types (incl PS3)
3) Ability to edit these configurations
4) Ability to add new customised configurations
Transcoding Options: For each of the above profiles the settings should include:
1) Audio Transcode Options for each Container (WMA / MP3 / FLAC etc) and contents (eg convert if over certain bit rate, or if it is WMA Lossless but not standard WMA etc)
2) Video Transcode Options for each Container (MPG / AVI / MKV / MOV etc) and each of the streams it may contain, Video (eg MPEG1/2/4, VC1, DV, etc)
I think that would about cover all of the bases ;)
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I got a bit more testing in till my son threw me off to play COD.
I made mine play the xbox cod today so I could get my hands on the 360 for a while :)
;D It really is quite stable, quick to browse and for the most part navigation works. Couple of other items I noticed not covered in other posts and in no particular order
* I received a lot of "DLNA Protocol error 2104 has occurred" msg on the PS3 when browsing / playing tracks and also a "7531" error once when scanning for Media Servers. Neither of which prevented any playback - is the 2104 error related to the lack of Track Thumbnails perhaps.
I saw that too, I think the thumbnailing is a good guess, or the icons perhaps. The protocol seems solid.
* As Video transcoding is not yet supported, you see a lot of "Unsupported" video types when browsing. You also get a few "the content can not be played" and "the data type is not supported" when trying to play video files where the container is supported but the PS3 does not like the video stream.
Video transcoding is going to be a barrel of laughs.
* The navigation on the PS3 is far to verbose. For example if I select on the PS3 XBAR "Video---> Media Center" I'm then presented with the following tree representing my library (only a part is expanded)
Audio
Images
Video-------->
Playlists
Calendar
Disk Location
File Type / Genre / Name
Genre / Album / Year
Genre / Artist / Album
All Genres (6)
Home Videos
Movies ------------------>
Music Videos
TV Series
Utilities
Unassigned
Movies--------->
Movies----------->
File A
File B
etc
By Comparison in TheaterView I'd see:
Audio
Images
Video--------->
Television
etc
All Genres (6)
Home Videos
Movies ------------------>(note: Theaterview suppresses the additional Movies / Movies)
Music Videos
TV Series
Utilities
Unassigned
File A
File B
etc
Agreed. It's the standard MC view. I messed with movies on my view to eliminate the 2 subcatagories but it still messy.
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I tried this with the Xbox 360 and Media Center never showed up on the Xbox 360 as source (while Orb does show up, BTW).
The UPnP log entries were the following:
11/05/09 23:34:16 - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.50 starting...
11/05/09 23:34:17 - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2869
11/05/09 23:34:17 - Running
11/05/09 23:41:07 - Autodetected: Xbox 360
11/05/09 23:41:07 - Received request for device description
The receiver is set to automatic detection in the UPnP options because we also have Roku Soundbridges on our network.
Why isn't MC showing up as a source on the Xbox?
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Try setting it to XBox.
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The receiver is set to automatic detection in the UPnP options because we also have Roku Soundbridges on our network.
Any other settings needed for the Soundbridge? I've got someone trying to set this up for the Soundbridge and it isn't working for him. Firmware? Conversion settings?
Thanks.
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Try choosing "Roku SoundBridge" in the options. The auto-detect may not work if the firmware isn't a specific version.
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tried last night with my xbox 360 and it recognice the server and resolve the name (MEDIA CENTER) but i cant connect ::). I also tried with firewall turned off. Maybe is something to do with ports in my router, have somebody streaming to xbox with success?
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Interesting, it works here. If there is nothing between your 360 and the PC it should just work. Did you select xbox 360 from the options menu?
The 360 I have is on the next to current firmware release. It also works on my sons 360 with the current release.
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Video transcoding is going to be a barrel of laughs.
Ahh yes - I'm sure it will be fun but this is also where the demand is at. TVersity has so far had 6Mill+ Downloads and 32K+ users on their forum so there is a plenty of demand. On of TVersity (and other similar prog) weakness is that they just try to determine if tanscoding is needed by file type (eg AVI) instead of both the container (AVI) and the streams it contains (Video, Audio etc). One benifit with MC is that when adding a file to the Library JRWorker does it's things a builds a graph - at this stage you may be able to determin and store in the library a range of info that will then be useful to determin if you need to transcode a file (including what Streams are present, their type, resolution, etc etc).
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I wish I could find something else that gives reasonable views on the PS3. When one turns off visual support in the MC upnp server the audio view is pretty good but the PS3 doesn't seem to provide enough information to vary the views when one switches from music to video, etc on the PS3 crossbar. None of the other servers I've tried including amongst others, TVersity show different views in music, video, etc. (like music always shows up under pictures and video for example).
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I wish I could find something else that gives reasonable views on the PS3. When one turns off visual support in the MC upnp server the audio view is pretty good but the PS3 doesn't seem to provide enough information to vary the views when one switches from music to video, etc on the PS3 crossbar. None of the other servers I've tried including amongst others, TVersity show different views in music, video, etc. (like music always shows up under pictures and video for example).
It is annoying but you do get used to the fact that 2/3rd of your tree is redundant in each section fo the xbar....anyone the biggie is going to be video transcoding - let me know if you want any tests etc...
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I tried this with the Xbox 360 and Media Center never showed up on the Xbox 360 as source (while Orb does show up, BTW).
The UPnP log entries were the following:
11/05/09 23:34:16 - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.50 starting...
11/05/09 23:34:17 - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2869
11/05/09 23:34:17 - Running
11/05/09 23:41:07 - Autodetected: Xbox 360
11/05/09 23:41:07 - Received request for device description
The receiver is set to automatic detection in the UPnP options because we also have Roku Soundbridges on our network.
Why isn't MC showing up as a source on the Xbox?
Per Jim's reply above--
1. Setting the receiver to Xbox did not do any good. It resulted in the following UPnP log entries when the Xbox select source menu comes up (but MC still does not appear as a source):
11/06/09 18:44:51 - GET request of /DeviceDescription.xml
11/06/09 18:44:51 - Received request for device description
11/06/09 18:46:12 - Received GENA message
11/06/09 18:46:12 - GENA Renew message
Also, this screws up all of the Soundbridge menus.
2. Settining the receiver to DLNA doesn't work either, generating the following UPnP log entries:
11/06/09 18:50:48 - Received GENA message
11/06/09 18:50:48 - GENA Renew message
11/06/09 18:50:51 - GET request of /DeviceDescription.xml
11/06/09 18:50:51 - Received request for device description
However, the Soundbridge appears to work fine on that setting.
Any further tests you would like me to do?
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I believe that the current state of the UPnP server is that it can support multiple UPnP devices, but it won't do XBox (which is not UPnP) and UPnP at the same time.
A possible way to do this is to run two instances of MC.
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I believe that the current state of the UPnP server is that it can support multiple UPnP devices, but it won't do XBox (which is not UPnP) and UPnP at the same time.
A possible way to do this is to run two instances of MC.
Except its not doing the Xbox for me at all. :) Need any more data on that?
BTW, any reason why it can't work with multiple types of devices simultaneously?
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Except its not doing the Xbox for me at all. :) Need any more data on that?
Firmware?
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i cant get it work with the xbox too, If i set to auto it correctly detects its a xbox 360 device, and the xbox recognize it, but cant connect in the end, im thinking is my network setup and not MC, can you guys describe me a simple setup to test it?
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Firmware?
It has whatever the latest publicly available firmware is, if you need more specificity than that, let me know where I can find the information to provide.
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XBox 360 shows in UPnP log but I don't see it on the 360. Of course I don't really know where I'm supposed to see it.
I am now able to use media sharing on my Directv DVR's. The last time I tried in MC12 or 13 it would not work.
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I got it connected to the 360 fine ... after I statically set the port. (the receiver was set to 360 for me)
I was able to browse and play both audio and video - even HD.
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I got it connected to the 360 fine ... after I statically set the port. (the receiver was set to 360 for me)
I was able to browse and play both audio and video - even HD.
Can you provide complete details?
On which side, did you set the port? And what was it set to?
Do you mean that our UPnP Server was set to XBox?
Thanks for the help.
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Can you provide complete details?
On which side, did you set the port? And what was it set to?
Do you mean that our UPnP Server was set to XBox?
Thanks for the help.
Jim,
Yes, I set the port on MC's side, and the receiver as Xbox 360. The port is set to 3679 - which is what it was when I enabled "Specify TCP port to use" option.
FWIW, I dont have firewalls or other 'network protection' type measures anywhere on my internal (household) network (I have a DMZ setup - amongst other things ;) )
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Jim,
Yes, I set the port on MC's side, and the receiver as Xbox 360. The port is set to 3679 - which is what it was when I enabled "Specify TCP port to use" option.
FWIW, I dont have firewalls or other 'network protection' type measures anywhere on my internal (household) network (I have a DMZ setup - amongst other things ;) )
I don't think anyone should use auto-detect for now. When we get to the state where multiple devices are working, autodetect should work then.
Selecting the "xbox 360" configuration is absolutely necessary for the xbox. Having to set the port statically should not be necessary.
confishy, could you try it again without the static port? (stop the MC uPnP server, unclick the "specify port" checkbox, restart the uPnP server). Go to the xbox system options -> network -> test pc and the xbox will "redetect" your configuration. See if MC shows up on the xbox and check to see if you can play something.
If that doesn't work, choose the "Advanced" configuration, it will start with the existing xbox 360 switches from your last configuration, stop the MC uPnP server, unclick the "omit host portion of the url" checkbox, restart the uPnP server. Go to the xbox system options -> network -> test pc and the xbox will "redetect" your configuration. See if MC shows up on the xbox and check to see if you can play something. Thanks...
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i cant get it work with the xbox too, If i set to auto it correctly detects its a xbox 360 device, and the xbox recognize it, but cant connect in the end, im thinking is my network setup and not MC, can you guys describe me a simple setup to test it?
Try yours without autodetect (select the xbox 360 option).
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I believe that the current state of the UPnP server is that it can support multiple UPnP devices, but it won't do XBox (which is not UPnP) and UPnP at the same time.
A possible way to do this is to run two instances of MC.
It should do multiple devices if they are all DLNA compatible. The xbox 360 is uPnP (with a couple of quirks) but it's NOT DLNA.
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I tried this with the Xbox 360 and Media Center never showed up on the Xbox 360 as source (while Orb does show up, BTW).
The UPnP log entries were the following:
11/05/09 23:34:16 - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.50 starting...
11/05/09 23:34:17 - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2869
11/05/09 23:34:17 - Running
11/05/09 23:41:07 - Autodetected: Xbox 360
11/05/09 23:41:07 - Received request for device description
The receiver is set to automatic detection in the UPnP options because we also have Roku Soundbridges on our network.
Why isn't MC showing up as a source on the Xbox?
Can you try setting the MC uPnP server to DLNA, then restart it. See if the Roku Soundbridges work ( I think this may be Roku firmware dependent).
Report back then we'll try the next step.
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Can you try setting the MC uPnP server to DLNA, then restart it. See if the Roku Soundbridges work ( I think this may be Roku firmware dependent).
Report back then we'll try the next step.
Per my prior message, the Soundbridges DO work when the UPnP server is set to DLNA, but the Xbox 360 does not.
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Unforch my xbox is doing the rrod today so I can't test this easily however it might be interesting to try using the advanced setting and choosing both WMC compat AND DLNA. You may have to uncheck the "omit host url's" checkbox. It may just work on both then.
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I don't think anyone should use auto-detect for now. When we get to the state where multiple devices are working, autodetect should work then.
Selecting the "xbox 360" configuration is absolutely necessary for the xbox. Having to set the port statically should not be necessary.
confishy, could you try it again without the static port? (stop the MC uPnP server, unclick the "specify port" checkbox, restart the uPnP server). Go to the xbox system options -> network -> test pc and the xbox will "redetect" your configuration. See if MC shows up on the xbox and check to see if you can play something.
If that doesn't work, choose the "Advanced" configuration, it will start with the existing xbox 360 switches from your last configuration, stop the MC uPnP server, unclick the "omit host portion of the url" checkbox, restart the uPnP server. Go to the xbox system options -> network -> test pc and the xbox will "redetect" your configuration. See if MC shows up on the xbox and check to see if you can play something. Thanks...
I can't try now, but I'm pretty sure I'd tried the Xbox as the receiver type with automatic port selection, but it didn't work. I will try to confirm that this evening (~0:00GMT)
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Bob - in case you missed the comment on the V95 beta post
Some feeback for Bob on this build:
1) "PlayStation 3" preset option works fine (just like DLNA)
2) As expected, "Automatic Detection" still fails as before (Cannot autodetect device, User-Agent: PLAYSTATION 3)
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Bob - in case you missed the comment on the V95 beta post
Thanks, I'm working on cover art/thumbs right now. The autodetect routines need a complete rewrite unforch. The specific Playstation 3 preset is so I can modify the views eventually as well as handle the different media playability.
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The autodetect routines need a complete rewrite unforch.
But think of the fun you will have when you get to the VideoTranscoding code!
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But think of the fun you will have when you get to the VideoTranscoding code!
Well. I know that would be useful for ME!
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XBox 360 shows in UPnP log but I don't see it on the 360. Of course I don't really know where I'm supposed to see it.
I am now able to use media sharing on my Directv DVR's. The last time I tried in MC12 or 13 it would not work.
My son had the same problem and then discovered that unchecking the "specify tcp port" checkbox in the upnp options dialog fixed it for him.
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I have a dumb question. Can you run the server as a Windows service? I would like to run the server without the whole UI.
I was using build 90 and I had to kill it because its memory usage rose to 256MB. I run it 7/24 on a home server, the machine not the OS. The OS is Win XP. I will try the latest build and see if things improve.
An interesting idea for the future would be to allows plugging in other media services. See PlayOn's plugins for an idea of what I mean. Scripting support is nice too.
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I tried this first on my PS3 and the navigation worked but it didn't like the music format (mp3)! I going to try to always change the format. Data type not supported. Then tried using the DNLA and still no luck.
I changed to my Xbox 360 and everything worked fine for the playlists. I have a lot of music and the other categories like genre, and albums didn't seem to work.
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It could be the firmware on the PS3.
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I got MC build 14.0.96 working with my PS3 using UPnP Server on Windows 7 64bit; following are the settings that worked best for me:
1. Always convert audio
2. Encoder: Uncompreesed Wave
3. Receiver: Playstation 3
I have a mixed bag of audio files that I want to stream, mostly MP3 and FLAC, I tried various settings - most combinations gave me a lot of "Unsupported format" messages; also I found that making any changes to the server options required a restart of the MC application in order for the PS3 to find the server again.
Now the bad news - while the server seemd to transcode the media files without any errors the audio quality on the playback was a little short of HiFi with an audible hiss overriding the playback - not overtly loud, but audible enough to be annoying.
Best effort I have seen to date.
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I got MC build 14.0.96 working with my PS3 using UPnP Server on Windows 7 64bit; following are the settings that worked best for me:
1. Always convert audio
2. Encoder: Uncompreesed Wave
3. Receiver: Playstation 3
I have a mixed bag of audio files that I want to stream, mostly MP3 and FLAC, I tried various settings - most combinations gave me a lot of "Unsupported format" messages; also I found that making any changes to the server options required a restart of the MC application in order for the PS3 to find the server again.
Now the bad news - while the server seemd to transcode the media files without any errors the audio quality on the playback was a little short of HiFi with an audible hiss overriding the playback - not overtly loud, but audible enough to be annoying.
I definitely hear the hiss. I didn't notice this in a previous build.
I could not get the server to working setting the receiver as Playstation 3. The odd path I chose was to select Playstation 3 as receiver and then selected Advanced. That works for me.
I am using convert as necessary option. FLAC is working. Haven't tried MP3.
Current memory usage is 26MB. That's much better than 256MB. We'll see where it is as after a few days. What is real cool is that Media Center is not even registering processor cycles, 0%.
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I definitely hear the hiss.
Thanks for nothing guys, now I hear it..... ;D (but then the PS3 is only outputting to a Plasma with inbuilt speakers). What surprises me is that there is no transcoding....MC should just be decoding our FLAC (etc) tracks to WAV/LPCM for the PS3...no idead why/how the noise is being introduced.
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Xbox 360 support? I'm upgrading! Thank you, MC.
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I'm using a combination of TVersity and PlayOn. One of the main reasons I connect to my PC is to play internet video on my Xbox. Hulu/CBS/SouthPark/etc. Will MC support this? I'm running MC12. In my view, music/photo playback are already handled by dozens of "UPNP" servers, but video playback especially internet video is still half-baked with most of the solutions. I woud love to see (and financial support via an upgrade) if MC was going to throw their hat in and try and solve this.
Also, if MC is going to do video transcoding, will it be possible to pre-transcode the whole file or at least allow the user to start playback and pause it and have transcoding still happen on the PC?
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Thought I'd try this out, but having a problem which is very similar to a Quick Play problem I had some time ago;
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=51383.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=51383.0)
I can't get past the top menu (when I select Media Center from my PS3) - the top menu just keeps on cascading down. I'm using a different language file to the default, so my top menu isn't the default "Audio" ,"Images", "Videos".
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I tried this first on my PS3 and the navigation worked but it didn't like the music format (mp3)! I going to try to always change the format. Data type not supported. Then tried using the DNLA and still no luck.
I changed to my Xbox 360 and everything worked fine for the playlists. I have a lot of music and the other categories like genre, and albums didn't seem to work.
If you are using autodetect, don't. Especially if you have a PS3 and Xbox on the same net. Try the Playstation 3 preset with the PS3.
The Playstation 3 will play mp3 and wave without conversion. If you have other types, you will need to set the options to convert when necessary and uncompressed wave.
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I definitely hear the hiss. I didn't notice this in a previous build.
Hmmm, no analog in the path ;)
Also, since I've been working on the uPnP code heavily, I haven't checked in any changes to it since 14.0.94. Do you know what build worked without the background hiss? Could it be a volume issue??
I could not get the server to working setting the receiver as Playstation 3. The odd path I chose was to select Playstation 3 as receiver and then selected Advanced. That works for me.
Is it possible you had not just restarted the server after making the change to Playstation 3??
I am using convert as necessary option. FLAC is working. Haven't tried MP3.
Current memory usage is 26MB. That's much better than 256MB. We'll see where it is as after a few days. What is real cool is that Media Center is not even registering processor cycles, 0%.
There was a memory leak in the first working version. Should be gone now. The processor load should be low since it's just decoding as it would if it were sending the output to a sound card.
Thanks for the feedback.
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Thought I'd try this out, but having a problem which is very similar to a Quick Play problem I had some time ago;
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=51383.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=51383.0)
I can't get past the top menu (when I select Media Center from my PS3) - the top menu just keeps on cascading down. I'm using a different language file to the default, so my top menu isn't the default "Audio" ,"Images", "Videos".
You figured it out, it's the view. At this time the "Audio" ,"Images", "Videos" views must exist. This is on the "stuff to add list".
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I'm using a combination of TVersity and PlayOn. One of the main reasons I connect to my PC is to play internet video on my Xbox. Hulu/CBS/SouthPark/etc. Will MC support this? I'm running MC12. In my view, music/photo playback are already handled by dozens of "UPNP" servers, but video playback especially internet video is still half-baked with most of the solutions. I woud love to see (and financial support via an upgrade) if MC was going to throw their hat in and try and solve this.
Also, if MC is going to do video transcoding, will it be possible to pre-transcode the whole file or at least allow the user to start playback and pause it and have transcoding still happen on the PC?
Video transcoding is a goal. I'd like it to be streaming.
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I'm using a combination of TVersity and PlayOn. One of the main reasons I connect to my PC is to play internet video on my Xbox. Hulu/CBS/SouthPark/etc. Will MC support this? I'm running MC12. In my view, music/photo playback are already handled by dozens of "UPNP" servers, but video playback especially internet video is still half-baked with most of the solutions. I woud love to see (and financial support via an upgrade) if MC was going to throw their hat in and try and solve this.
I second this emotion. LOVE the fact that MC is now serving local audio/video/image files via DLNA. In fact I just upgraded from MC13 because of it. But it would be even better if MC14 eventually handled internet video streaming from sites like Hulu, YouTube, etc. I'm currently using a product called PlayOn for this functionality and would love to use ONLY MC. As winterminute mentioned most current DLNA server product offerings are half-baked. In other words they don't handle local media streaming AND internet source streaming. You're forced to use more than one application to get it all. Wouldn't it be great if MC14 ended that trend and became *the* true one-stop DLNA server solution? I think so. Run with it guys. Please?
And thanks for all the hard work!
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I've been playing with audio transcoding to my original model PS3 (latest firmware) and have run into the same background hiss/sound quality problems mentioned by others here:
uPnP Server -> Options -> Always Convert Audio/Uncompressed WAV + Receiver set to Playstation 3
The hiss is there with both "Convert audio if necessary" and "Always convert audio" options. Doesn't matter. My MC14 audio library consists of FLAC files exclusively. Background hiss is very obtrusive and totally destroys usability of this new feature for me. Hopefully you guys will find the cause and squash it soon. For now it's back to PS3 Media Server, which streams the very same FLAC files flawlessly. :(
I'll also note three other things I've noticed regarding audio playback:
1) The "Start" button on the PS3 Dualshock 3 controller does not pause playback as it should. The only option is to stop playback entirely with the Circle button.
2) Total track time is not being displayed properly on the PS3. Elapsed playback time is working fine but the total time field contains only dashes.
3) The progress bar displayed beneath the time information for the track being played doesn't show any information. It remains static during track playback.
If I can provide any more information that would be of use let me know.
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HI,
thanks for this new improvement
I try to connect media center to my Xbox 360.
The connection works fine, i can hear my music and watch pictures but when i try to watch the movie i have in my library ( i'm sure i have some), i've got this message " no video find". Can someone help me?
thanks for your help
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I've been playing with audio transcoding to my original model PS3 (latest firmware) and have run into the same background hiss/sound quality problems mentioned by others here:
uPnP Server -> Options -> Always Convert Audio/Uncompressed WAV + Receiver set to Playstation 3
The hiss is there with both "Convert audio if necessary" and "Always convert audio" options. Doesn't matter. My MC14 audio library consists of FLAC files exclusively. Background hiss is very obtrusive and totally destroys usability of this new feature for me. Hopefully you guys will find the cause and squash it soon. For now it's back to PS3 Media Server, which streams the very same FLAC files flawlessly. :(
trying to reproduce this
I'll also note three other things I've noticed regarding audio playback:
1) The "Start" button on the PS3 Dualshock 3 controller does not pause playback as it should. The only option is to stop playback entirely with the Circle button.
2) Total track time is not being displayed properly on the PS3. Elapsed playback time is working fine but the total time field contains only dashes.
3) The progress bar displayed beneath the time information for the track being played doesn't show any information. It remains static during track playback.
If I can provide any more information that would be of use let me know.
All 3 points are a consequence of streaming transcoding since there isn't a way to send the content-length of a streaming file.
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trying to reproduce this
Thanks Bob. Let me know if you need any more info from me. FYI I'm running Windows 7 Ultimate on the box where MC14 resides.
All 3 points are a consequence of streaming transcoding since there isn't a way to send the content-length of a streaming file.
PS3 Media Server is capable of performing all three when transcoding the same FLAC files to uncompressed WAV. I get total track time, the track playback progress bar functions, and I can pause/restart playback of the track using the "Start" button on the PS3 controller without issue, so there must be a way.
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Standard support for these devices is great, but...
I've been using MC with the PS3 for a long time (1 year?). All I had to do before was set it to:
Receiver type advanced
Include Visual Content
DLNA
And it was set to Don't Convert Audio (my entire library is MP3).
Now I get an Unsupported Data Type. The only way I can make it work is to convert the audio from MP3 to Uncompressed Wave which of course should not be required.
Edit: Everything worked OK up until build 94 (I did not test build 95).
Edit: The same thing happens if I use the PS3 receiver preset, or use Advanced receiver set with PS3 Compatible
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Standard support for these devices is great, but...
I've been using MC with the PS3 for a long time (1 year?). All I had to do before was set it to:
Receiver type advanced
Include Visual Content
DLNA
And it was set to Don't Convert Audio (my entire library is MP3).
Now I get an Unsupported Data Type. The only way I can make it work is to convert the audio from MP3 to Uncompressed Wave which of course should not be required.
I've been using MC 13 since May, never had any issues until I upgraded to v14.0.96 last night. Now, I'm having almost the same issue as Randy here except if I set it to uncompressed wav, it acts like it's going to play the song, then moves to the next title about every 2 seconds. The settings I used to use (exactly as Randy listed) do not work at all, I end up with unsupported data type no matter what song I choose from either direct browse or playlist.
All my songs are in MP3 format and range from 128kbps-192kbps. My PS3 has the lastest publicly available firmware version. Please help!
System specs (which haven't changed, just upg'd MC):
Windows 2003 Server Std. SP2
Intel 2.8GHz P4
4GB Ram
2x500 GB drives in Raid 1
Broadcomm NetExtreme 5751 Gigabit NIC
Thanks,
J
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Thanks everyone for the PS3 feedback. I'm checking into the wav hiss problem (I'm able to reproduce it now) however the new beta build should work with your mp3's. Set Don't Convert Audio in options and either manually select the playstation 3 option or try the advanced flags set the same way. What's been added to the PS3 is image and audio support and especially in video, the latest build should work with more file types. Also, the next build has album art support so the thumbs show up for the songs, images and videos. The version numbers you gave on when the problem appeared should be helpful in figuring out the hiss.
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One other thing I've noticed about the PS3, when one makes changes to the uPnP options in MC you need to stop and restart the MC uPnP server AND on the PS3 force it to search for the MC uPnP server again (this goes for all 3 media types, music pictures and video). If you don't do this you will get broken views.
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Thanks Bob and MC, I have been holding out for 360 support to upgrade. I personally do not mind running a couple uPnP servers as I mostly use local media and want to be able to have all my Playlists and smartlist that are in MC so this is a nice upgrade for me. MC14 has others I like too but this was the big hitter for me.
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Hi. I've been trying out the new media server with my Xbox, which I must say is a very welcome addition :). One thing that I have noticed is that on the Xbox I see my entire music library, and since I'm subscribed to a podcast which consists of literally thousands of artists the list shown on the Xbox when I browse by artist is huge. Is there a way to specify exactly which files are shared on the media server, or to specify custom rules for which files to exclude (like you can do in the audio views)? If not, are there plans to add this in future builds? Thanks.
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* Thumbnails work for Track and Album (note: still the default pic for the actual MC icon)
FYI, album art thumbnails are not working at all for FLAC files in the .96 build. I get the default PS3 music note icon.
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FYI, album art thumbnails are not working at all for FLAC files in the .96 build. I get the default PS3 music note icon.
I'm running the same release and art thumbnails display fine for both FLAC and MP3 files.
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Hmmm, no analog in the path ;)
Also, since I've been working on the uPnP code heavily, I haven't checked in any changes to it since 14.0.94. Do you know what build worked without the background hiss? Could it be a volume issue??Is it possible you had not just restarted the server after making the change to Playstation 3??There was a memory leak in the first working version. Should be gone now. The processor load should be low since it's just decoding as it would if it were sending the output to a sound card.
Thanks for the feedback.
No, no analog in path other than the speaker wire. Audio coming off PS3 HDMI to Onkyo receiver. I am not sure which version I was using. I didn't check before upgrading. I do know it had a memory leak and PS3 was not even a destination option. I got it working with the PS3 using the entry in Wiki.
I can see this DLNA server growing into something big. It might be time to separate it from the media player and call it JRiver Media Server. I would like to run it without the player portion.
An update. The player has been running on the home server for a few days. Memory usage is 151MB. That's high, but better than 256MB.
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I'm running the same release and art thumbnails display fine for both FLAC and MP3 files.
Well, don't know what to tell you. They're not showing here with my FLAC stuff using folder.jpg. Zip. Nada. Zilch.
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Well, don't know what to tell you. They're not showing here with my FLAC stuff using folder.jpg. Zip. Nada. Zilch.
Welll, I just rebuilt my library and now I've got no thumbnails :-(
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Thumbnails are rebuilt automatically, but if you mean cover art, try setting your cover art directory.
Library Manager lets you set up a new library (for testing, for example), and one of the options allows you to clone your old library.
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Thumbnails are rebuilt automatically, but if you mean cover art, try setting your cover art directory.
I store my cover art in my album directories as folder.jpg files. Let me just clarify that MC14 is showing cover art just just fine. The problem is that I'm not seeing it on my PS3.
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That should work soon.
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Thanks Jim.
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I use a number of UPnP devices in my home... I've was pleased to see some work being done on MC's UPnP media server. I have some suggested improvements/bug reports:
* upnp:class object.container should be object.container.album.musicAlbum for music Albums. (This allows control points to behave appropriately for activation on this items, (eg "add to playlist", rather than "browse into")
* supply a upnp:albumArtURI for object.container.album.musicAlbum and object.container.albumItem.musicTrack. (This allows control points and media renderers to show album art for albums and tracks.)
* The UPnP server is not responding to device M-Search requests for "all" UpnP objects. 11/15/09 16:41:51 - SSDP Server requested type not found: ssdp:all (This is used by control points that are discovering _all_ upnp devices on the network, rather than by specific type. In my case, I use it for UPnP development and diagnosis using Intel Device spy. In general, it's in the UPnP spec.)
My current reference points are AssetUPnP and Twonky Media Server for media server devices, and a number of control points like PlugPlayer on the iTouch.
tvm
m
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I have a PS3 and an Xbox 360...is there a way to configure more than one receiver?
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I have a PS3 and an Xbox 360...is there a way to configure more than one receiver?
The current status is that one or the other will work, but not both simultaneously. We may be able to change that. Read the PS3 instructions in the first post on startup.
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Thanks for your work on this, I just upgraded from 13 and can't wait to get testing!
I'll echo support for the multiple device profile request. I have, and will be testing, a PS3 and two DirecTV DVRs (HR20 and HR23).
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An update. The player has been running on the home server for a few days. Memory usage is 151MB. That's high, but better than 256MB.
Just checked the home server. Memory footprint up to 250MB. :(
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I use a number of UPnP devices in my home... I've was pleased to see some work being done on MC's UPnP media server. I have some suggested improvements/bug reports:
* upnp:class object.container should be object.container.album.musicAlbum for music Albums. (This allows control points to behave appropriately for activation on this items, (eg "add to playlist", rather than "browse into")
* supply a upnp:albumArtURI for object.container.album.musicAlbum and object.container.albumItem.musicTrack. (This allows control points and media renderers to show album art for albums and tracks.)
* The UPnP server is not responding to device M-Search requests for "all" UpnP objects. 11/15/09 16:41:51 - SSDP Server requested type not found: ssdp:all (This is used by control points that are discovering _all_ upnp devices on the network, rather than by specific type. In my case, I use it for UPnP development and diagnosis using Intel Device spy. In general, it's in the UPnP spec.)
My current reference points are AssetUPnP and Twonky Media Server for media server devices, and a number of control points like PlugPlayer on the iTouch.
tvm
m
Thanks, that really specific info helps a lot!
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Just checked the home server. Memory footprint up to 250MB. :(
Will check into memory usage again, thanks for the report.
We found the hiss problem. Will be fixed in the next build.
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We found the hiss problem. Will be fixed in the next build.
Awesome! Thanks.
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I just upgraded to MC14 - great job guys! I successfully connected my 2 year old HP MediaSmart TV to MC using the DLNA type. The audio works perfectly. The images do not work though. I get the 'error has occured' when I click on any picture in any folder. Any suggestions?
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Well, I download 14.0.96 to test with my Popcorn Hour C-200 and Denon AVR-4310CI. The DLNA server works fine for streaming Audio to my Denon and Popcorn Hour C-200. However, it cannot play *ANY* movides on the C-200. The C-200 shows a rather generic error message "Request cannot be processed". There are no error messages in the MC14 log window. I tried playing various types of video files: Avi-xvid, Avi-Divx, .mkv, .vob. All the same error messages. The TwonkyMediaServer serves these files fine to the C-200.
What logging/debugging info can I provide to assist in solving the problem?
Pierre
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I suggest waiting to try the next build. There are some substantial changes to images and video in it.
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Are there any thoughts on my earlier post? Is there a way to exclude certain files (according to a custom rule) from being shared in the uPnP server, or is this feature going to be added in the future? Thanks.
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Are there any thoughts on my earlier post? Is there a way to exclude certain files (according to a custom rule) from being shared in the uPnP server, or is this feature going to be added in the future? Thanks.
I don't know of a way to do that. A separate library maybe, but the server serves the default library.
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this has phenominal potential. that being said, there is one glaring limitation that i'm experiencing.
i have all my playlists that i actually use in a folder called smartlists (go figure) there's no way for me to navigate to the individual playlists. instead it just lets me play the folder of smartlists, which basically covers my entire library instead of hand choosing my playlist of say, 70s jazz or current favorites.
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Will check into memory usage again, thanks for the report.
We found the hiss problem. Will be fixed in the next build.
Bob, thanks very much for all the very hard work - I very much appreciate it. :)
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this has phenominal potential. that being said, there is one glaring limitation that i'm experiencing.
i have all my playlists that i actually use in a folder called smartlists (go figure) there's no way for me to navigate to the individual playlists. instead it just lets me play the folder of smartlists, which basically covers my entire library instead of hand choosing my playlist of say, 70s jazz or current favorites.
A playlist of playlists ;)
What device are you using?
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Ouch - I just installed .101 hoping it would fix the image problem I reported earlier. Now I get the same error (failed to retrieve list) when trying to open the audio\artist\album folder that I got before with the images folders. This worked fine in the .96 version. I guess I'll have to go back to that. Let me know if you need any log info. I'm using the dlna setting with an HP MediaSmart TV.
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A playlist of playlists ;)
What device are you using?
xbox 360.
i've got a folder called "smartlists". within it, i've got a playlist called 3+ stars, 2009 music, southern music (all country/southern rock), modern rap/r&b (2000-present), dance music, etc etc
all told, ive got over 50,000 songs covered in at least 1 smartlist, but there's no way to play specific smartlists. when i click the smartlist folder, it just plays all of them.
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I'm loving this new feature (on the PS3), can imagine in a few weeks I'll wonder how I ever got along without it.
One thing I don't think has come up - if I play a track, tv show or movie, I'd like it to update the play stats in the MC library... is this on the list of things to do?
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Ouch - I just installed .101 hoping it would fix the image problem I reported earlier. Now I get the same error (failed to retrieve list) when trying to open the audio\artist\album folder that I got before with the images folders. This worked fine in the .96 version. I guess I'll have to go back to that. Let me know if you need any log info. I'm using the dlna setting with an HP MediaSmart TV.
Some big differences between 96 and 101 is that many more mime types are being passed to the client when the DLNA option is enabled. Perhaps your HP doesn't like that? You could try the advanced setting and unclicking the DLNA box. A copy of the the last screen of the upnp server logs when "log file requests" is checked could be useful. Thanks...
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Hi there.
I've been streaming audio successfully to my PS3 using MC12 for some time now but today I decided to download MC14 to give it a try before I upgrade. Unfortunately I can't get the streaming to work with MC14.0.96. My PS3 finds the MC server OK and shows me all my songs but when I select a song to play the PS3 just sits staring blankly at me in silence. When I use MC12 as the server the PS3 will start playing the song, show me the song name/artist on screen and enable the options menu to be called up by pressing the triangle button on the PS3 remote. When MC14 is the server none of these things happen. The PS3 just sits in silence with a blank screen (apart from the wavy screen-saver type thing that's always in the background).
I noticed that someone else posted that they had the same problem with MC 14.0.96...
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=54801.0 (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=54801.0)
...but they were just pointed to this thread which as far as I can tell doesn't have any suggested solutions for this problem.
Any ideas?
My details:
I'm running on XP and in the MC14 UPnP settings I've selected Receiver PS3, No Audio Conversion and no specific TCP Port.
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Get build 101 from the top of this board.
Double check that you've chosen PS3 in the UPnP Server options.
Try updating the firmware for the PS3.
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Just tried build 101. That solved it... and now I get album artwork too!
Great effort. Many thanks. Now I can go ahead and upgrade to MC14.
Just one more question though...
When I navigate through my MC library on my PS3 via the "album/artist" option it takes me down through artist / album / genre / song. Is there any way of removing "genre" from that list? i.e. just navigate down through artist / album / song?
AH, JUST ANSWERED IT MYSELF...
It was because I had added a Genre pane to the standard Artist/Album View in MC. Got it all working perfectly now.
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Build 106, just posted, has some improvements.
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Is there any fix in build 106 on the "playlist of playlists" issue that i reported a couple weeks ago?
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I just bought a PlayStation 3 for my son but would like to run our movies through it. I currently have Media Center 13 but would upgrade if I can do the following: In my video section of Media Center is has all IFO files. Example - The Mummy\VIDEO_TS.dvd;1
I downloaded the newest version 14.101 to try on the PlayStation and when I get to the movie title and click on it, it says The data type is not supported. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Is there any fix in build 106 on the "playlist of playlists" issue that i reported a couple weeks ago?
At some point we want to make the views configurable, the focus now is getting as many native video and audio formats supported as possible since that is much more desirable than transcoding (especially for video).
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I just bought a PlayStation 3 for my son but would like to run our movies through it. I currently have Media Center 13 but would upgrade if I can do the following: In my video section of Media Center is has all IFO files. Example - The Mummy\VIDEO_TS.dvd;1
I downloaded the newest version 14.101 to try on the PlayStation and when I get to the movie title and click on it, it says The data type is not supported. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Could you try copying one of the vob files to something.mpg, importing it, then try playing it. It should work but may require transcoding because of the audio. We are working on that. If it does play, we probably just need to tweak that way the dvd is presented to the ps3.
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I downloaded the newest version 14.101 ...
Build 106 is at the top of this board.
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At some point we want to make the views configurable, the focus now is getting as many native video and audio formats supported as possible since that is much more desirable than transcoding (especially for video).
okay. thanks for the progress report. for what it's worth, i believe if i just move my smartlists to the main folder instead of keeping them in a subfolder that i will be able to select my playlists like that.
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PS3 Media Server is capable of performing all three when transcoding the same FLAC files to uncompressed WAV. I get total track time, the track playback progress bar functions, and I can pause/restart playback of the track using the "Start" button on the PS3 controller without issue, so there must be a way.
Interesting, I'll check into that, thanks..
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Build 111 has some improvements. It's at the top of this board.
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Hello,
MC14 is well recognized by my DNLA TV and PS3.
But files don't appear on all devices or are not play (Sure i need to configure converting).
Video files do not appear at all. (wmv files)
It seems difficult to configure MC14 to do so. And what about View Scheme on the organization tree, I can't see it !
Thank you for your help.
Berthos
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MC14 is well recognized by my DNLA TV and PS3.
What build are you using? 111 is at the top of this board.
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Yes,
Audio files are ok.
But not video !!
Berthos
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In fact, no files appear on the list of the receiver. The list is empty and it should be not because i am able to read these files with MC14.
Thanks,
Berthos.
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Are there ANY folders under the MC server on the PS3 video crossbar? If not, I'm thinking this is because the view scheme is fixed to video/ at this time and your top level view for video may not be video/ ?? Customizable views are coming...
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Thank you,
But I am unable to find the default physical folder on the hard-drive where i should copy the video files.
Berthos
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Thank you,
But I am unable to find the default physical folder on the hard-drive where i should copy the video files.
It doesn't matter where they are on the disk. It is only necessary to import them into MC.
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There is something i dont understand. I imported files and have no problem to use them on mc or upnp.
With upnp (no problem with images and music), but on both receivers video is empty but there are wmv files visible with mc14 last release !
Something weird.
Berthos.
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You need a "Video" view at the top level. It must be spelled "Video". If you are in a different language than English you'll have to create a view called "Video".
(http://www.pix01.com/gallery/AFDE32E0-CE15-405D-8120-8010AE955883/view/416366670_orig0.jpg)
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I have got that with plenty views.
:-\
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Bob,
How can it be explained that i have a video file in the video view, i am able to see its content with MC14. But the file doesn't appear with upnp server both on my dlna tv and ps3 ?
???
Thank you,
Berthos.
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I don't know what the problem is but we are doing a LOT of work in that area right now and so I would expect things to change in the near future...
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14.0.118 is available on this board now. It includes a DLNA/UPnP Controller, so you can start playback on any device that supports this feature of DLNA / UPnP. It lets MC act as a remote control, much like our Tremote feature, but using the DLNA protocol that many newer devices support. DLNA is very close to UPnP, so some UPnP devices can now also be controlled by MC.
I wrote about the Western Digital HD TV Live (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=55369.0) device on our Other Hardware board.
The device being controlled is called a "renderer", meaning it can "play" the content (audio, video, and images).
For now, the copy of MC that is running the Controller must also be running our UPnP Server on port 2869. This restriction will disappear soon.
When MC finds a device, it is added as a zone in MC and Playing Now opens to display it. You must then select the device.
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Hi,
thanks for the prompt reply.
yeah, I had gone thru this previously.
The UPnP gui has completely changed from .96.
I think this is in response to the fact that you'll have numerous types of devices attempt to access the DLNA server and it wants to attempt to support as many as it can. 118 has no direct choise for which type of device you are using.
I did go in under advanced settings and chose PS3 compatable and DLNA...
I do get lists of folders available now when selecting the J River Media Server.
I see
Audio
Video
etc...
I see my playlists.
when I go into any of the playlists or however I attempt to drill down to an actual song, it comes up and states
"There are no titles" so I'm back where I was with .96 release. I cant see the mp3 files o
I also tried setting it to "always convert" and "uncompressed wave" but that didnt help either. any help would be appreciated.
regards
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Hi all,
I'm getting "no titles here" on my PS3 when I drill down thru Audio files either thru artists or thru my playlists.
I've tried various settings in my 14.0.118 release. I had this problem on .96 as well.
I've tried setting it to convert everthing and uncompressed wave that was mentioned earlier in this post to no avail.
any suggestions?
Regards,
pbearblues
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Hi all - I am experiencing shortened mpg playback durations via DLink's DSM-520 Media player (UPnP).
I have been watching full-length mpg movies through my Dlink-520 via UPnP for sometime. I recently upgraded to MC14 and it now appears that movies reach the end (duration time) before they have completed. For example, watching A Christmas Story over the holidays and Dlink reached the end of the movie (1:33:21) at about the 53 minute mark and thus stated the video was over.
To get my Christmas Story "fix" this holiday season I turned to watching it via PC HDMI output to my TV. I noticed that in Theater View mode movies occasionally play in fast-forward. However, playing movies from MC's Standard View was fine.
I fired up MC13 and had no issues with movie playback via all modes (Dlink, Theater View, and Standard View).
I have upgraded to the latest version (118) and movies are still truncated when playing through the Dlink.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi all,
when I drill down thru the Audio hiearchy, I never see any songs to choose from. I get a message "No Titles Here"
have build .118 of MC14. My PS3 is up to date.
I've tried deleting the existing UPnP profile and create a new one , choosing Playstation 3 from the drop down list.
I can drill down thru the Audio menu's thru Artist , File location,etc... but when I choose the last folder that will house the actual songs-i.e. an Album - it comes back after a second or two and states "No Titles here"
I have MP3's and FLAC recordings in abundance.
I can drill down thru Video and find video files to play. But I cant drill down thru Audio and play MP3's or FLAC files. I'm not able to actually see audio files.
From the Ps3 I can select my Promise NAT which is running DLNA and play mp3's just fine.
what am I doing wrong? Any clue? Is this a view issue? is there a setting on the PS3 that I'm missing?
I'm fixated on this now and cant let it go! Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry for the additional post but just trying to get some traction on this from some of you gurus out there! :)
Regards,
pbearblues
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Try the conversion options. Try "always convert".
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Also, this is in the first post:
If you choose PS3, you may need to restart the UPnP Server and also search for servers again on the PS3.
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Hi Jimh,
thanks for the reply.
I had tried "always convert" and I've stopped and started the UPnP service and rescanned for media servers on the PS3 in the past to no avail.
That said.. It's working now!
either the fact that MC13 was still installed with the media server option at startup which possibly was confusing it though I would think the media server and the UPnP server are totally different servers...or the fact that I rebooted the box.
one of those apparently took care of it... probably the reboot. oy..
thanks again!
:)
pbearblues
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I had tried "always convert" and I've stopped and started the UPnP service and rescanned for media servers on the PS3 in the past to no avail.
That said.. It's working now!
Good news! Thanks for reporting what happened. And thank you for your patience in solving it.
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Are you playing the video back directly or do you have "convert video" checked?
Are you running the current firmware on the 520? We have one here. I'll give it a try asap.
Is the mpg movie mp2 video and mp2 audio or mp2 video and ac3 audio?
Hi all - I am experiencing shortened mpg playback durations via DLink's DSM-520 Media player (UPnP).
I have been watching full-length mpg movies through my Dlink-520 via UPnP for sometime. I recently upgraded to MC14 and it now appears that movies reach the end (duration time) before they have completed. For example, watching A Christmas Story over the holidays and Dlink reached the end of the movie (1:33:21) at about the 53 minute mark and thus stated the video was over.
To get my Christmas Story "fix" this holiday season I turned to watching it via PC HDMI output to my TV. I noticed that in Theater View mode movies occasionally play in fast-forward. However, playing movies from MC's Standard View was fine.
I fired up MC13 and had no issues with movie playback via all modes (Dlink, Theater View, and Standard View).
I have upgraded to the latest version (118) and movies are still truncated when playing through the Dlink.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Bob - The video is not being converted and the DLink is at the latest firmware levels. The movie(s) were create using DVD Shrink 3.2 which result in a large VOB file and is then renamed to MPG for playback. The movies vary as to the type of audio, this particular one has AC3 1-ch and 2-ch audio.
My UPnP settings are Advanced with Filter International Characters and Omit Host Portion of URL on. The only difference between MC13 and MC14 is that I have Allow Visual Content selected on MC13 which is not available on MC14.
Regards.
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Thanks for all the work you have done on this! I am trying build 118 now on a network with Xbox 360s and Roku Soundbridges and with one exception everything seems to be working great.
The one exception is playing back audio files on the Xbox 360. Unlike with Video and Pictures on the Xbox 360, with Music you aren't able to do a full traversal of the UPnP tree. I presume that is an Xbox 360 dashboard limitation that there is no way around. But the problem is exacerbated by a problem with the way MC appears to be giving information to the Xbox that problem manifests istelf as follows:
After selecting the MC server as a source from the Xbox 360 Music Library screen, the user selections "Albums", "Artists" and "Genres" do not show lists of albumns, artists and genres on the right hand side of the screen the way they should. Instead they show "Audio", "Images", "Video" and "Documents". Selecting "Audio" from each simply produces a list of all the audio files on MC (albeit impressively fast ;D).
I suspect that correcting this requires some special treatment for handling requests that come from the Xbox 360 Music Library, but hopfully this will be possible to implement now that we can have customized servers running for each type of device.
Please let me know if you are unable to duplicate or need more information. Thanks.
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DWAnderson,
Try different conversion settings. Always convert, for example.
Is your tree "stock"? Not modified?
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After selecting the MC server as a source from the Xbox 360 Music Library screen, the user selections "Albums", "Artists" and "Genres" do not show lists of albumns, artists and genres on the right hand side of the screen the way they should. Instead they show "Audio", "Images", "Video" and "Documents". Selecting "Audio" from each simply produces a list of all the audio files on MC (albeit impressively fast ;D).
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If you create a xbox360 profile and choose that server when you browse from the 360 you should for sure get the proper audio trees.
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Bob - The video is not being converted and the DLink is at the latest firmware levels. The movie(s) were create using DVD Shrink 3.2 which result in a large VOB file and is then renamed to MPG for playback. The movies vary as to the type of audio, this particular one has AC3 1-ch and 2-ch audio.
My UPnP settings are Advanced with Filter International Characters and Omit Host Portion of URL on. The only difference between MC13 and MC14 is that I have Allow Visual Content selected on MC13 which is not available on MC14.
Regards.
I see one problem, the content-length if the file is >2 gigs. Testing with our 520 after fixing that seems to work however when displaying the file information on the screen, I don't get proper info for my large mpgs though they seem to play fine. Do you see the proper bitrate and duration in MC for these movies? The content-length bug will be fixed in the next build released.
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Bob - The duration/bit rate never seems to display properly with the initial play. However on most movies, not all, the duration/bit rate display properly once the movie has been played from beginning to end.
Thanks for the find and I look forward to the next build.
Fernando.
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If you create a xbox360 profile and choose that server when you browse from the 360 you should for sure get the proper audio trees.
I do not. I get the results I described above. I tried recreating the Xbox 360 server entry, setting the port manually to 2869, and setting the conversion settings to convert everything and still get the same result
Here is what the server log looks like:
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.50 starting...
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2869
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2870
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Running
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Received request for device description
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Received request for device description
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Received request for device description
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Search 7()
What more information can I provide?
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I do not. I get the results I described above. I tried recreating the Xbox 360 server entry, setting the port manually to 2869, and setting the conversion settings to convert everything and still get the same result
Here is what the server log looks like:
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.50 starting...
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2869
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2870
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Running
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Received request for device description
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Received request for device description
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Received request for device description
1/4/2010 9:05 PM - Search 7()
What more information can I provide?
Search 7 is correct.
What that translates to in the view is
Audio/
Then to see Albums for example, the search concatenates the root (Audio) and Albums to get
Audio/Albums
The inflexibility is that this is the standard view. If you've changed the view you might not have that available. This will change in the future.
There are direct correlations in the search for Albums, Artists, and Genres. Saved Playlists maps to MC Playlists, and Songs maps to the entire Audio library.
If you have standard views I'm at a loss to understand how it can't find them on the 360.
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If you have standard views I'm at a loss to understand how it can't find them on the 360.
I customized viewschemes in my library a long time ago, so maybe this is the issue. Do I need to have view named "Albums", "Artists", and Genres" for this to work?
If so, is there a way to control what views get presented to each UPnP/DLNA type of device?
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I customized viewschemes in my library a long time ago, so maybe this is the issue. Do I need to have view named "Albums", "Artists", and Genres" for this to work?
Yes, those categories must appear under Audio for the time being.
If so, is there a way to control what views get presented to each UPnP/DLNA type of device?
Not currently. To some degree it depends on what the device asks for. The 360 is a bit of a special case since it's looking for a fixed Windows Media Connect type tree.
Customizable views for UPnP devices are in the works.
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I can't seem to get.... anything for my X-box. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places but nothing different shows up on my X-box than before I did this. The server gives me the following
01/06/10 02:57:41 - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.50 starting...
01/06/10 02:57:42 - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 3800
01/06/10 02:57:42 - Running
and that's it. I have tried autodetect and setting it to X-box. Am I missing something obvious here?
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I can't seem to get.... anything for my X-box. Maybe I am looking in the wrong places but nothing different shows up on my X-box than before I did this. The server gives me the following
01/06/10 02:57:41 - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.50 starting...
01/06/10 02:57:42 - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 3800
01/06/10 02:57:42 - Running
and that's it. I have tried autodetect and setting it to X-box. Am I missing something obvious here?
Make sure you have the latest build. It's at the top of this board. Then choose Add and select Xbox in the menu of options.
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Make sure you have the latest build. It's at the top of this board. Then choose Add and select Xbox in the menu of options.
I do have the latest build and it is still giving me that for some reason...
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this would be great if it worked with the zen x-fi.
can't get it to work. well, worked for a bit then died.
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Hi Dave,
Make sure you try the latest build. It's still evolving.
Jim
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I do have the latest build and it is still giving me that for some reason...
Remove all of the existing servers in the UPnP server -> Options then readd just the xbox 360 preset.
You probably need to be on the same network segment if you are subnetting.
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I got the video stuff working fine with build 121, but one issue I have encountered is that the File view does not appear to work. If I go in with the Date or Genre views it shows all my files. If I go by File it will show me all the folders and the actual file types in that folder (say MP4 and M4V), but I will always get a single "Untitled" with no thumbnail at the deepest level and if I try to play that nothing happens. This is the default "File" view and I haven't changed it at all. It works fine in the client. Is this a known issue? Is there a workaround for it?
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zuiko,
What rendering device are you using?
The next build will include fully customizable views, though if you are using a 360 there are some restraints with that as it's expecting a Windows Media Compatible tree view.
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I'm using the 360.
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where is the diirectv dvr support? i'd like to watch this thread. i have satellite and would love to incorporate satellite into theaterview.
TY
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just purchased MC14.0.96 I's trying to set it up to use with my PS3 and had some issues that I was able to resolve through reading this thread, however I've one problem that I cant seem to fix.
Audio - if the album contains only one song, the song plays ok however if the album contains more than one song then the PS3 just runs through each song without playing and the MC didplays yhis
01/11/10 16:57:20 - Browse BrowseDirectChildren 1002(Audio\Albums)
01/11/10 16:57:21 - Browse BrowseDirectChildren 1002(Audio\Albums)
01/11/10 16:57:22 - Browse BrowseDirectChildren 1002(Audio\Albums)
01/11/10 16:57:23 - Browse BrowseDirectChildren 1002(Audio\Albums)
01/11/10 16:57:23 - Browse BrowseDirectChildren 1002(Audio\Albums)
01/11/10 16:57:24 - Browse BrowseDirectChildren 1002(Audio\Albums)
01/11/10 16:57:25 - Browse BrowseDirectChildren 1002(Audio\Albums) etc etc
any ideas?
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Please get the build from the top of this board.
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Please get the build from the top of this board.
done this, now the server gives me a "failed to start" error
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Try another port.
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done this, now the server gives me a "failed to start" error
As Jim says try another port. I would suggest you try port 2869. If that does not work try port 2870.
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Try another port.
Thanks guys that worked. ithe server has now started but PS3 gives me DNLA Protocol error 7522
(Managed to fix the protocol error by unchecking "PS3 Compatable" in the advanced options section??
Q - Is there anyway I can get my PS3 to see my "playing now" folder? It can see my audio/video/images folders as well as my playlist folders
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As above folks, is there anyway I can get my PS3 to see my "playing now" folder?
I'd like my PS3 to be playing music and I've have the option to select a file to play next and for PS3 to pick that up (if that makes sense)
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As above folks, is there anyway I can get my PS3 to see my "playing now" folder?
I'd like my PS3 to be playing music and I've have the option to select a file to play next and for PS3 to pick that up (if that makes sense)
Are you using build 127? It's at the top of this board.
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Are you using build 127? It's at the top of this board.
Yes I am Jim, any setup help/advice appreciated
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It seems like you are trying to use MC to control the PS/3, is this correct?
The PS/3 firmware doesn't currently support UPnP control.
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Re build 127: Nice progress on the DLNA server(s).
Re Customized Views (with Roku Soundbridge):
One issue, however, if I set up a server and delete the Playlist view from the list of Items to show after selecting Customized Views, is there any way to get Playlists back? If so, how (without recreating all the customized views)?
Also, is there any way to customize what playlists get shown, e.g. no need to show photo playlists on my Roku Soundbridge?
Re Xbox 360:
When I select a server that has been created as a generic Xbox 360 (using the Add button within the DLNA Options dialog), using port 2869, the MC server appears to my Xbox 360, but I am unable to connect. I get a "Can't connect to the PC... error box when I try to." Should I have to do any the modifications to the profile that the Add button creates to get it to work with the 360? Note that this had worked with prior builds of Media Center.
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Bump
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Build 130?
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Re Xbox 360:
When I select a server that has been created as a generic Xbox 360 (using the Add button within the DLNA Options dialog), using port 2869, the MC server appears to my Xbox 360, but I am unable to connect. I get a "Can't connect to the PC... error box when I try to." Should I have to do any the modifications to the profile that the Add button creates to get it to work with the 360? Note that this had worked with prior builds of Media Center.
It seems the 360 caches the names sometimes and gets confused, even across powerdown/up.
Try changing the display name of the xbox 360 profile, for example, take the space out and make it xbox360. Then check on the 360 and see if you see the new name.
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It seems the 360 caches the names sometimes and gets confused, even across powerdown/up.
Try changing the display name of the xbox 360 profile, for example, take the space out and make it xbox360. Then check on the 360 and see if you see the new name.
Thanks. Installed build 130 and the fix you describe above and that solved the issue.
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Thanks for your patience.
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Re Customized Views (with Roku Soundbridge):
One issue, however, if I set up a server and delete the Playlist view from the list of Items to show after selecting Customized Views, is there any way to get Playlists back? If so, how (without recreating all the customized views)?
Also, is there any way to customize what playlists get shown, e.g. no need to show photo playlists on my Roku Soundbridge?
Any information on this issue?
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Bump. Let me know if you want this question moved to a different thread.
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Bob is out this week. It will have to wait. Sorry.
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No problem. Two more related issues for next week:
-- When playlists and any other parts of the library get updated on Media Center, they are not updated on devices that connect to the UPnP DLNA server until Media Center is stopped and restarted.
-- There appears to be no way to stop and restart a UPnP/DLNA server short of restarting Media Center.
The open issues from before are:
-- If I set up a server and delete the Playlist view from the list of Items to show after selecting Customized Views, is there any way to get Playlists back? If so, how (without recreating all the customized views)?
-- Is there any way to customize what playlists get shown, e.g. no need to show photo playlists on my Roku Soundbridge?
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bump
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Bob isn't well. It will be a few days.
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Hi, I just installed the latest Media Center 14.0.137 registered -- C:\Program Files (x86)\J River\Media Center 14\
I have both a PS3 and an XBox360. The XBox360 seems to work fine with DLNA, the PS3 finds Media Center, but when I browse the menu, it initially shows something like this:
Audio/
Video/
...
When I navigate into the Audio folder on the PS3, the same menu repeats itself, and I can never get past this. I'm happy to provide wireshark logs, or anything else to help resolve this. My PS3 is running the latest firmware (not sure the revision, but I just did a network update and it tells me it is the latest).
Any ideas?
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I have both a PS3 and an XBox360. The XBox360 seems to work fine with DLNA, the PS3 finds Media Center, but when I browse the menu, it initially shows something like this:
Audio/
Video/
When I navigate into the Audio folder on the PS3, the same menu repeats itself, and I can never get past this. I'm happy to provide wireshark logs, or anything else to help resolve this. My PS3 is running the latest firmware (not sure the revision, but I just did a network update and it tells me it is the latest).
You'll need to set up two different servers for those. The one for the PS3 must be specifically for it. It's one of the choices when you add a server.
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Has anyone been able to play flacs through the PS3?
I'm Using build 144.
Using defaults for Playstation 3, i.e. with convert unsupported formats/uncompressed Wave.
Files show up on the PS3, but when trying to play a file the name is displayed for a few seconds before advancing to the next file name is displayed and so forth. No sound.
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Flacs have been playing fine for me (would need to double check on V144) - Std PS3 Settings in MC and I use Always Convert --> Uncompress Wave
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A PlugPlayer thread (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=55657.msg381116#msg381116).
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Tried "always Convert" but same result (plus mp3s won't play either of course). tried convert to mp3, but results in "Unsupported format" error on the ps3.
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The open issues from before are:
-- If I set up a server and delete the Playlist view from the list of Items to show after selecting Customized Views, is there any way to get Playlists back? If so, how (without recreating all the customized views)?
-- Is there any way to customize what playlists get shown, e.g. no need to show photo playlists on my Roku Soundbridge?
Bump
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-- If I set up a server and delete the Playlist view from the list of Items to show after selecting Customized Views, is there any way to get Playlists back? If so, how (without recreating all the customized views)?
Currently, you'll have to remove the server and readd a new one. We'll add a better way in time.
-- Is there any way to customize what playlists get shown, e.g. no need to show photo playlists on my Roku Soundbridge?
No, sorry. But you can create library views build around playlist groups and playlists, so with some work, it's quite customizable.
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Since some 20 or so version changes I am checking the DLNA server to work like expected and it doesn't. Is the development on DLNA finished or are there improvements to come?
This is not working: I simply can't play my videos on the TV (Panaosnic Viera). They play in MC. I can see the files, browse the files, but when I play them I get "Can not play video" or "unknown file format". I have set the server to convert video. It obviously does not do so. The good - or bad - thing is: I can play all the files with Twonky. Twonky knows my TV set and tells me it's a Panasonic. MC does not.
Volker
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Try a firewall opening on ports 52100 to 52199.
Try setting the Advanced option for DLNA called "... Host Portion of URL".
The person who was working on this has been in the hospital for a couple of weeks and is just returning, so please be patient.
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Try turning off the option to convert video. If video conversion doesn't work for one file it will not work for any of them.
See what native video formats the TV supports by trying to play video with conversion off.
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Copied from the 14.147 beta thread....
Tried to get a simple DNLA setup running. MC on my Win7 laptop and on a Win2003 server.
Two issues:
1)
Win7 as DLNA Server and Win2003 and Renderer works as expected. Win2003 shows up in Win7 "Playing Now" list and I can control the Win2003 system from Win7.
Win7 as DLNA Renderer and Win2003 Server does not work at all. The Win7 instance never shows up in the Win2003 "Now Playing". Even if I tick the Controller and Server boxes in the Win7 MC DNLA options, nothing shows up in Win2003.
So, it looks like this:
Win7 Renderer <--> Win2003 Server - Bad
Win7 Server<--> Win2003 Renderer - Ok
2)
Using either Generic or Denon DLNA I can get my Denon 3808ci to see MC (running on Win7). I can browse and play from the Denon interface. It'll even convert flac on the fly. Good job! Once a song is started from the Denon interface, I can pause, start, and stop from MC. I can select the Denon in "Now Playing", but it won't play. I get, "There was a problem controlling the selected DLNA device. Double-check your device, server, and network settings." and then "Media Center encountered errors while trying to play the last several files. Please make sure that the path in your media library points to the right location."
From the log file, everything looks correct right up to:
0038907: 4232: Playback: CPlayerZone::PlayNextFile: bCanPlayNext=0, m_bPlaybackError=1
One thing to note, my media library is on a network share. I'm not using UNC paths. I don't think that makes a difference, but it may? I'd really like to get this working with MC directly controller my Denon.
No firewalls on either machine. The whole network is NATed and behind a firewall.
...alan
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Win7 as DLNA Renderer and Win2003 Server does not work at all. The Win7 instance never shows up in the Win2003 "Now Playing". Even if I tick the Controller and Server boxes in the Win7 MC DNLA options, nothing shows up in Win2003.
Check all 3 DLNA boxes on both PC's.
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Still no go with all boxes checked.
Any hints on debugging how to get MC to fully work with a Denon 3808ci? If I select the track from the Denon it plays, but if I select it from MC it doesn't.
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Win7 as DLNA Renderer and Win2003 Server does not work at all. The Win7 instance never shows up in the Win2003 "Now Playing". Even if I tick the Controller and Server boxes in the Win7 MC DNLA options, nothing shows up in Win2003.
Win7 more fully supports DLNA. I'm not sure 2003 supports DLNA at all. It might just be using Windows Media Connect instead (that is what the Xbox 360 which is not a DLNA device supports).
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Still no go with all boxes checked.
Any hints on debugging how to get MC to fully work with a Denon 3808ci? If I select the track from the Denon it plays, but if I select it from MC it doesn't.
It's really hard debugging DLNA devices remotely :-|
I'd be doing a wireshark dump if I had the Denon here to try and narrow the problem down. Sometimes it requires several dumps.
If you are interested you could try getting a dump. Try to narrow it down to only the involved devices and maybe the multicast address.
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Hope this works, I can't see the new topic button in this board, so I'm responding to a topic and changing the subject.
MC is streaming music and videos to my O!Play Air with no problems, but when I try and access pictures it won't play them even though it shows the thumbnails for the files.
I have Windows Media Player set up as a server on my wife's machine and WMP streams the photos with no problems. So I installed MC on her machine a enabled UPnP and encountered the same problem. Videos and music stream just fine but pictures don't.
Thanks
George
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MC is streaming music and videos to my O!Play Air with no problems, but when I try and access pictures it won't play them even though it shows the thumbnails for the files.
Version of MC?
Describe the O!Play Air please.
What format are your pictures? Older builds only supported jpeg for the full size image.
Try the "shrink large images" option under "images" if you have very large jpegs that the device may not handle.
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Version of MC? 14
Describe the O!Play Air please.
Its a wireless/wired network media player. Here's the formats it can handle:
Supported Video Formats
• Video: MPEG1/2/4,RM/RMVB,VC-1,H.264
• Video File Extension:.mp4, .mov, .xvid., .avi., .dvix., .asf, .wmv, .mkv, .rm, .rmvb, .flv, .ts, .m2ts, .dat, .mpg, .vob, .mts, .tp, .trp,.iso
• Audio: MP3,WAV,AAC,OGG,FLAC,AIFF
• Image: JPEG,BMP,PNG,GIF,TIFF
• Subtitle: SRT,SUB,SMI,SSA
Supported Audio formats
MP3, WAV, AAC, OGG, WAV, FLAC, AIFF, LPCM, WMA, Dolby Digital AC3, Dolby Digital Plus,
DTS - Dolby Digital & DTS Supports Downsample and pass through
Supported Image formats
JPEG, BMP, PNG, GIF, TIFF
Supported sub-title formats
SRT, SUB, SMI, SSA
What format are your pictures? Older builds only supported jpeg for the full size image.
They're all jpeg.
Try the "shrink large images" option under "images" if you have very large jpegs that the device may not handle.
As I said in my original post WMP (Windows Media Player) streams all these pictures with no problem. Also, I can navigate to my MC image folder with the O!Play and play these images without a problem.
The only reason I upgraded to MC14 from 9 was for the UPnP support. I could have used WMP but it doesn't give me any control over the media views it streams, apart from enabling/disabling the media type. By using UPnP I can streamline accessing my media through our home theater.
thanks
George
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Version of MC? 14
Bob was asking for the full version. Check under Help/About in MC. It will be something like 14.0.147.
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14.0.151
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I think something has broken with images and DLNA. Checking into it.
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I think something has broken with images and DLNA. Checking into it.
Actually not. It seems to be o!play specific. I found one here, didn't bother with it because it didn't do UPnP but I see with a current firmware it does. Loaded the current firmware and reproduced the image problem. Curious since it's fine with other media types.
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Actually not. It seems to be o!play specific. I found one here, didn't bother with it because it didn't do UPnP but I see with a current firmware it does. Loaded the current firmware and reproduced the image problem. Curious since it's fine with other media types.
More an O!Play/MC thing as O!Play can handle images from WiMP just fine. So to my mind its something to do with the way MC streams the image. And as I mentioned in my original post its really weird because O!Play displays the thumbnail when you select an image file.
Its not a deal breaker but it would be nice if the problem could be fixed. O!Play's weakness is its media navigation but its strength is that once you get to actually playing a file its output is equal to my upconverting DVD player in quality, ditto for audio. It can even play ISO files.
Since upgrading our HT system quite often I'll take a book and play some music in the living room. It would be nice to do a slide show with my album art at the same time.
Thanks
George
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Hi,
My friend have his ps3 plug in his router(livebox) and his pc too;the ps3 is plug in it's tv in HDMI mode. He can't watch his movies (that are in the pc) on his tv so i have tried to set a dlna with My MC 14 in portable install.i have checked ps3 in general options ==>functions.
And then i have do an auto schearch for media in the ps3.MC report that it's connected to 192.168.1.0 (i think it's the live box) but the ps3 didn't find MC14.
His movies are in dvx or .avi does it 'll be possible to play them on the ps3 with MC14?
If it's work i'm pretty sure it 'll buy MC14 :=)
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More an O!Play/MC thing as O!Play can handle images from WiMP just fine. So to my mind its something to do with the way MC streams the image. And as I mentioned in my original post its really weird because O!Play displays the thumbnail when you select an image file.
Hi George. It's odd since I can't find a significant difference on dumps between our code and others that play the images ok. The thumbnail thing is interesting. The O!Play doesn't actually use the thumbnail we offer, it downloads the whole image twice, once for the thumb and another time for the actual display (same with other UPnP server software). It seems that either it's less picky about the thumb and there is something it doesn't like about the content directory or there is something about the transfer of the thumb it doesn't like. I fixed a couple of things in the images content directory but it didn't make any difference to the O!Play.
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Hi,
My friend have his ps3 plug in his router(livebox) and his pc too;the ps3 is plug in it's tv in HDMI mode. He can't watch his movies (that are in the pc) on his tv so i have tried to set a dlna with My MC 14 in portable install.i have checked ps3 in general options ==>functions.
And then i have do an auto search for media in the ps3.MC report that it's connected to 192.168.1.0 (i think it's the live box) but the ps3 didn't find MC14.
His movies are in dvx or .avi does it 'll be possible to play them on the ps3 with MC14?
If it's work i'm pretty sure it 'll buy MC14 :=)
1) You should make sure you have the latest MC14 release, there has been a lot of work in that area.
2) Are the PC and the PS3 both on the LAN side of the router??
3) Make just one profile in MC, use the PlayStation 3 selection.
4) Make sure your windows box firewall (if it's on) isn't blocking MC.
No matter what, you should SEE MC show up as a choice in the PS3 menus under video, audio and photos.
The divx and avi formats will play without conversion depending on what is in the container. We are working on that to be more flexible. The PS3 doesn't support all media types. Here is a good guide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software#Compatible_media_formats
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1) You should make sure you have the latest MC14 release, there has been a lot of work in that area.
I use it.
2) Are the PC and the PS3 both on the LAN side of the router??
The ps3 is plug on ethernet directly on the box like the pc no switch used.So i assume that it's on the lan side.
3) Make just one profile in MC, use the PlayStation 3 selection.
I have never used profile i need to figure out.
4) Make sure your windows box firewall (if it's on) isn't blocking MC.
What port do i need to open on it?
The divx and avi formats will play without conversion depending on what is in the container. We are working on that to be more flexible. The PS3 doesn't support all media types. Here is a good guide:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software#Compatible_media_formats
Thx for the hint.
And thx to have answered i 'll retry this week end.
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What port do i need to open on it?
MC's DLNA uses 52100 to 52199
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I have never used profile i need to figure out.
Services and Plugins->DLNA/UPnP->Server (check the box to turn the server on)
Add -> Playstation 3
Remove anything else that shows up in the box below server
click ok
Wait a few seconds then search for server on your PS3.
You should see the MC server on your PS3 now.
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Can the the PS3 stream data to MC14 or the HTPC so that Blu-ray disks (or other media) on the PS3 can be played on the HTPC?
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Can the the PS3 stream data to MC14 or the HTPC so that Blu-ray disks (or other media) on the PS3 can be played on the HTPC?
Sorry no, the PS3 only renders, it doesn't serve.
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Would be possible to add support for "Browse by Folder"?
I I have TV series etc organized in a Medianbrowser friendly format, eg.:
series/season 1/S01E01.mkv
MC dlna navigation just shows S01E01.mkv and if one has a bunch of series with that name it's kind of difficult to know what show the file belongs to.
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Am I the only one who can't play back flac files on a PS3?
I have MC 14.159, the FW on the PS3 is the latest - 3.15 I believe. flac files show up, I start playing it - silence for a second or two before the ps3 moves on to the next file - repeat. I use the PS3 profile in MC14.
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I have retried DLNA with ps3 at the friend's house and all work perfect!And i have changed nothing.
Very good quality for this movie and the navigation is fast thx for this awesome feature!
Now i think he 'll buy the soft :)
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Would be possible to add support for "Browse by Folder"?
I I have TV series etc organized in a Medianbrowser friendly format, eg.:
series/season 1/S01E01.mkv
MC dlna navigation just shows S01E01.mkv and if one has a bunch of series with that name it's kind of difficult to know what show the file belongs to.
If the files are tagged with season and series (or if you tag them) you should be able to create a custom view in DLNA options using those fields.
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Am I the only one who can't play back flac files on a PS3?
I have MC 14.159, the FW on the PS3 is the latest - 3.15 I believe. flac files show up, I start playing it - silence for a second or two before the ps3 moves on to the next file - repeat. I use the PS3 profile in MC14.
flac is not a supported media type on the PS3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software#Compatible_media_formats
Use "convert when necessary" and uncompressed wave.
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If the files are tagged with season and series (or if you tag them) you should be able to create a custom view in DLNA options using those fields.
Thanks Bob, I'll try that.
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flac is not a supported media type on the PS3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_system_software#Compatible_media_formats
Use "convert when necessary" and uncompressed wave.
Hi Bob,
yes, that's exactly how it is configured. The PS3 displays the songs and it appears to be trying to play them for a second or two, before moving on to the next track. Weird.
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Hi Bob,
yes, that's exactly how it is configured. The PS3 displays the songs and it appears to be trying to play them for a second or two, before moving on to the next track. Weird.
Works for me with the current version of 14. Is there something unusual about your flac files (sample rate, etc)?
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Works for me with the current version of 14. Is there something unusual about your flac files (sample rate, etc)?
I finally figured it out! The PS3's audio settings were set to output "44.1/88.2/176.4". I changed it to "48" and the flacs are now playing! Weird thing is that mp3s played when set to "44.1/88.2/176.4".
Anyway, problem solved!
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I finally figured it out! The PS3's audio settings were set to output "44.1/88.2/176.4". I changed it to "48" and the flacs are now playing! Weird thing is that mp3s played when set to "44.1/88.2/176.4".
Anyway, problem solved!
Well, I'd guess your MP3's are 44.1k. The Flac files must be 48k. Can you check this by viewing the tags in MC?
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Well, I'd guess your MP3's are 44.1k. The Flac files must be 48k. Can you check this by viewing the tags in MC?
Bob, the flacs I tried were all 44.1k....
Somehow a max bitrate limitation somewhere - i.e. 44.1k is supported if bitrate is below X, 48k supported if higher?
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Bob, the flacs I tried were all 44.1k....
Somehow a max bitrate limitation somewhere - i.e. 44.1k is supported if bitrate is below X, 48k supported if higher?
I don't think so. It seems that it must resample to 48k. The one we have here was set to 48k by default.
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I don't think so. It seems that it must resample to 48k. The one we have here was set to 48k by default.
So a limit in the handling of PCM by the PS3 then I presume.
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Looks like it. I seem to also recall someone else posting a message to that effect earlier (the 48k sample rate) and I didn't quite get what they were referring to but it seems to fit the observed behavior.
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The O!Play will work with images now in 14.0.161 and 15.0.14 and newer.
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newbie request. I just got a wireless network and managed to get the 360 on the network, Windows Media Center extender works great.
I can connect to xbox live, my desktop PC, etc. However MC14... not so much. I've tried following the instructions on this thread but there's got to something i'm missing. Basically, MC doesn't seem to see my xbox on the network. or rather, it sees it incorrectly, i keep seeing the message in the UPNP log:
received request for device description: Spinney-PC (xbox 360); Interface 192.168.1.2,
this seems to be incorrect, my PC has that address, and the xbox's is: 192.168.1.5.
Don't know what I'm doing wrong here...
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You should be able to browse your MC content FROM the 360. You cannot control the 360 from MC.
WMP is not using DLNA to control the 360, it uses WMC.