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Devices => JRiver Id -- Hardware by JRiver => Topic started by: BradATIMA on April 20, 2018, 03:42:22 pm
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With the release of Media Center 24, we have been working on bringing those improvements, as well as other improvements, to the Id.
IdPi
Media Center 24 is now available for the IdPi. Users with an IdPi running the 'Media Center Id' firmware will be able to update Media Center to version 24 from main menu (option 12).
Unfortunately, this version is not compatible with the Pi 3 model B+.
New IdPi orders will come with the latest firmware, including Media Center 24, as well as compatibility with the Pi 3 B+.
Users who already have an IdPi now have the option to have their mSD cards upgraded to the latest Id firmware at a discounted price. This upgrade will include Media Center 24 and also be compatible with the Pi 3 model B+. The upgrade option will require sending your current IdPi mSD card (just the card) back to be upgraded.
The 3B+ compatibility upgrade cannot be done by download. Your card must be returned to have the upgrade installed on it.
IdNUC
The Media Center 24 update for the NUC is now available.
Users with a recent IdNUC running the 'Media Center Id' firmware can get the Media Center 24 update through the main menu (option 12).
IdNUC users running older firmware versions will first need to upgrade to the Media Center Id firmware using the USB upgrade method mentioned here:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,110326.0.html (just make sure to download the idXrepair3.img).
After this upgrade, you will be able to get the Media Center 24 update from the main menu.
Note: The Media Center Id upgrade and the Media Center 24 update will cause the Id to lose the license. You can re-enter the license from the main menu (option 18). Just use your Media Center 22 Id or Media Center Id license.
Note 2: The browser update is actually a second update. Id users with the Media Center Id firmware who update Media Center to version 24 will need to run Check for Updates from the main menu a second time to get the browser update.
Aside from several improvements included with Media Center 24, below is a list of some additional improvements for this latest Id firmware.
- VNC/RDP server improvements: Several changes have made the connections via VNC or RDP much more responsive.
- Console separation: This will prevent one console from echoing commands to another console and causing problems. It also restores functionality to the main menu in text mode. Before some options, such as entering a license, could only be done while in GUI mode or while connected remotely.
- Up-to-date web browser: The right-click menu now has an option to open up a Firefox web browser.
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Thanks for the update Brad.
The IdPi obviously works differently but I know from general work with Linux distros that versions and kernels can be upgraded via command-line. Can you tell me what the key difference is that requires a back to base return?
I'll be doing the return/upgrade anyway. I'm interested to understand why the return is necessary. Thanks.
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I assume this upgrade requires a new license. How do I get one?
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What's the version of the Id and of MC? It's at the bottom of the text menu.
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Id: 22.0.83. MC: 23.0.102. Engen: 1.0.69
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I assume this upgrade requires a new license. How do I get one?
When you do the upgrade, you will need to re-enter the license; however, you can just use your Media Center 22 Id or Media Center Id license.
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I upgraded my Id to MC23 but didn't recognize my MC 22 license. I purchased a MC 24 license for all platforms. Are you saying I can use that when I upgrade the Id to MC 24?
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The Master License doesn't include the Id.
Enter the license in the text menu, not in MC.
l and 1 (number) look alike. So do O and 0 (number)
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How do we know how old our firmware is? I've got the original Nuc but have upgraded to MC22.
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There are three versions at the bottom of the text menu.
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How do we know how old our firmware is? I've got the original Nuc but have upgraded to MC22.
If your Id is running some version of Media Center 20 or 22, you do not have the Media Center Id firmware. You can upgrade the IdNUC to the Media Center Id firmware by following the instructions in the link in the first post in this thread.
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With the release of Media Center 24, we have been working on bringing those improvements, as well as other improvements, to the Id.
IdPi
Media Center 24 is now available for the IdPi. Users with an IdPi running the 'Media Center Id' firmware will be able to update Media Center to version 24 from main menu (option 12).
Unfortunately, this version is not compatible with the Pi 3 model B+.
Users with the Media Center Id firmware, as well as users with older IdPi versions, such as Media Center 20/22, can have their mSD cards upgraded to the latest Id firmware for $20. This upgrade
will also be compatible with the Pi 3 model B+. Instructions on how to order the upgraded microSD will follow.
This upgrade cannot be done by download. Your card must be returned.
I have a recently shipped instance of Id Pi running on the older 3b board, and I think I'd like to just leave that one as is and use it strictly as a Renderer, and order a new Id Pi card for use with the new 3b+ board as my new Server.
So if I place an order today for a new Id Pi card, you will ship me the latest 3b+ compatible version automatically, or am I still in a holding pattern awaiting actual availability?
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Yes, it will work on the B+.
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Yes, it will work on the B+.
So, does that mean the upgrade path for IdPi 3B->3B+ is open now? I've got an envelope set aside and I'm ready to lick a stamp, slap it down and shoot it all in the post when the green flag is waved.
I've been watching out for the announcement. Did I miss it?
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So if I place an order today for a new Id Pi card, you will ship me the latest 3b+ compatible version automatically, or am I still in a holding pattern awaiting actual availability?
So, does that mean the upgrade path for IdPi 3B->3B+ is open now? I've got an envelope set aside and I'm ready to lick a stamp, slap it down and shoot it all in the post when the green flag is waved.
I've been watching out for the announcement. Did I miss it?
You didn't miss the message. The IdPi 3B+ upgrade or purchase is now ready.
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You didn't miss the message. The IdPi 3B+ upgrade or purchase is now ready.
Cool. I've emailed off an upgrade request to the sales address. Thanks for the tip.
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Great news that a new release is available for the Raspberry Pi. As an established user of version 22 on an IdPi with Hifiberry Digi+ Pro card, I would like to know whether you have compiled all the latest audio HAT board's driver code into the new Linux Kernel used to support the PI B+? I would like to upgrade to an Allo DigiOne S/PDIF card, which is not supported under MC 22 on IdPi. There would be no point to upgrade my current IdPi to a B+ if no new HATs are supported.
There are a number of other audio HATs and more being developed, that are not currently supported in your Kernel build. Giving users full flexibility to use any audio HAT available in the Raspberry Pi Raspian Stretch OS would be of great help.
Thanks, Duncan.
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When will the update be available for the nuc?
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When will the update be available for the nuc?
It's out. I upgraded my Id NUC with a 12 the other day. I just made sure I had the latest firmware - check the instructions at the top of this thread.
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Great news that a new release is available for the Raspberry Pi. As an established user of version 22 on an IdPi with Hifiberry Digi+ Pro card, I would like to know whether you have compiled all the latest audio HAT board's driver code into the new Linux Kernel used to support the PI B+? I would like to upgrade to an Allo DigiOne S/PDIF card, which is not supported under MC 22 on IdPi. There would be no point to upgrade my current IdPi to a B+ if no new HATs are supported.
There are a number of other audio HATs and more being developed, that are not currently supported in your Kernel build. Giving users full flexibility to use any audio HAT available in the Raspberry Pi Raspian Stretch OS would be of great help.
Thanks, Duncan.
Good point Duncan. The Allo HAT is popular device. Given that it's relatively simple to set up a different HAT in Linux, it shouldn't be too difficult to include the additional functionality in an IdPi (especially for the talented JRiver crew).
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Just to check, I have IdPi with: Id: 22.0.78 MC: 22.0.113 (after running update)
Does this mean I do not have Media Centre Id firmware?
If so, my options are to send this card back to the US for upgrade (are there details of discounts somewhere?)
Or to buy a new card if I don’t want to be without the Pi for the postage time UK-US-UK - is that correct?
Thank you.
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OK, found pricing here:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115667.msg0.html#new (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115667.msg0.html#new)
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Just to check, I have IdPi with: Id: 22.0.78 MC: 22.0.113 (after running update)
Does this mean I do not have Media Centre Id firmware?
If so, my options are to send this card back to the US for upgrade (are there details of discounts somewhere?)
Or to buy a new card if I don’t want to be without the Pi for the postage time UK-US-UK - is that correct?
Thank you.
All of that is correct. The Media Center Id firmware runs Media Center version 23 or later, so if your IdPi is running Media Center 22, it has the older firmware. The only way to get the upgrade for the IdPi is to send the mSD card back to have the new firmware put on it, or to buy a new IdPi card. Also, the upgrade process clears everything on the mSD card, so this will remove items saved on the card, such as files, settings, and the library.
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Great news that a new release is available for the Raspberry Pi. As an established user of version 22 on an IdPi with Hifiberry Digi+ Pro card, I would like to know whether you have compiled all the latest audio HAT board's driver code into the new Linux Kernel used to support the PI B+? I would like to upgrade to an Allo DigiOne S/PDIF card, which is not supported under MC 22 on IdPi. There would be no point to upgrade my current IdPi to a B+ if no new HATs are supported.
I haven't actually tested this, but I'm assuming that the upgrade still will not support the Allo DigiOne card. The upgrade still runs Jessie, not Stretch. However, if the required dependencies for the Allo DigiOne could be added while still running Jessie, it's possible support could be added later. It hasn't been investigated yet, though.
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All of that is correct. The Media Center Id firmware runs Media Center version 23 or later, so if your IdPi is running Media Center 22, it has the older firmware. The only way to get the upgrade for the IdPi is to send the mSD card back to have the new firmware put on it, or to buy a new IdPi card. Also, the upgrade process clears everything on the mSD card, so this will remove items saved on the card, such as files, settings, and the library.
Thanks Brad. So when did the change happen? My IdPi is only from July 2017 and I wasn’t aware there had been a newer version between then and now.
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Thanks Brad. So when did the change happen? My IdPi is only from July 2017 and I wasn’t aware there had been a newer version between then and now.
The change to Media Center Id was around mid-November 2017.
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I haven't actually tested this, but I'm assuming that the upgrade still will not support the Allo DigiOne card. The upgrade still runs Jessie, not Stretch. However, if the required dependencies for the Allo DigiOne could be added while still running Jessie, it's possible support could be added later. It hasn't been investigated yet, though.
The Allo DigiOne was added to Raspberry Linux distro at Linux 4.9 as per this link https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-4.9.y/sound/soc/bcm (https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-4.9.y/sound/soc/bcm). That version was still Jessie, I think. I don't know what Linux version the MC 22 version is running now, there was a firmware update awhile back. Obviously, the necessary C code, for each card, has to be explicitly compiled. I have Media Center version 22.0.113 with a Hifiberry Digi+ Pro installed. I will only send in for a new OS card if the Allo, JustBoom and IQAudio products are included, so I can just build whatever type of Audio device I want.
Best, Duncan.
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Thanks. Does the new version as it appears on the IdPi more closely follow the ‘full’ versions?
I am thinking mainly of a web browser functioning (which IdPi 22 doesn’t have) such that a streaming service can be run in a browser window - Qobuz is my chosen option here and I can do this in MC22 on a Win 10 machine.
I have seen in passing that there are new streaming options in JRMC24 but have not looked at this in detail, has this been carried over into the IdPi implementation?
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Also, if I make a backup in 22 (libraries etc.) can I then load that onto the new 24 card or are there differences that would prevent this? I have done it successfully between Windows and IdPi but from memory they were the same version number.
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Probably.
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Thanks. Does the new version as it appears on the IdPi more closely follow the ‘full’ versions?
I am thinking mainly of a web browser functioning (which IdPi 22 doesn’t have) such that a streaming service can be run in a browser window - Qobuz is my chosen option here and I can do this in MC22 on a Win 10 machine.
I have seen in passing that there are new streaming options in JRMC24 but have not looked at this in detail, has this been carried over into the IdPi implementation?
I'm not quite sure what you mean by "more closely follow the 'full' versions." The Id will closely follow the Linux version of Media Center. As far as web browser functionality goes, the upgraded IdPi has an external web browser (it's not part of Media Center). You should be able to stream from that web browser. However, the Id does not support an embedded web browser. Unfortunately, most of the streaming options in MC 24, with the exception of Radio Paradise, rely on the embedded browser to work, so they do not work on the Id, yet.
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OK, thank you. Thinking about it a bit further, it is more the IdPi experience as a whole that is different to say a Windows install, ie. the intentionally closed environment meaning that the user can’t just install an extra component for example - I’m aware there is the Linux version for those that want to do that - but the (or my) perception is that it is MC on the IdPi that is restricted whereas it is probably fairer to say that the package as a whole is less versatile - and thereby simpler to use of course.
Thank you for the clarification on the browser aspect, I have been very happy to only have the Pi connected to the rest of my system and am looking for ways to route other inputs such as streaming through it (and having seen other similar posts here I am not alone in that.) A stop gap is to use a google chrome cast, it works but I would prefer not to need it.
Just to check further, from IdPi 24 onwards you appear to be saying that all further versions will be downloadable, is that the intention?
Lastly, do you have a view on the back up from 22 and restore to 24 question I asked, I wasn’t sure if that was what JimH was replying to when he wrote: probably.
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Just to check further, from IdPi 24 onwards you appear to be saying that all further versions will be downloadable, is that the intention?
That's the intent. It's not easy.
Lastly, do you have a view on the back up from 22 and restore to 24 question I asked, I wasn’t sure if that was what JimH was replying to when he wrote: probably.
Yes, that's what I meant.
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "more closely follow the 'full' versions." The Id will closely follow the Linux version of Media Center. As far as web browser functionality goes, the upgraded IdPi has an external web browser (it's not part of Media Center). You should be able to stream from that web browser. However, the Id does not support an embedded web browser. Unfortunately, most of the streaming options in MC 24, with the exception of Radio Paradise, rely on the embedded browser to work, so they do not work on the Id, yet.
I have just checked for updates on my Idpi and downloaded the latest version, but I cannot see a web browser anywhere. Where should I be looking?
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Try a right click on the desktop.
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Try a right click on the desktop.
Didn't work for me, but never mind. More important fish to fry at the moment.
Enjoying the Idpi immensely, though, with a hifiberry digi+pro hat. Excellent performance.
Very happy.
Congratulations to all the team.
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Thank you.
The browser is coming.
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The Update is ok for my NUC but I don't see Radio Paradise FLAC streaming in this MC 24 version as in Windows version
Is it normal ?
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It should be coming soon.
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Didn't work for me, but never mind. More important fish to fry at the moment.
Enjoying the Idpi immensely, though, with a hifiberry digi+pro hat. Excellent performance.
Very happy.
Congratulations to all the team.
Keep in mind, to use the browser, the Id needs to either be in GUI mode or you need to be connected to it remotely. Also, when you right-click, you must do so over the desktop, so it brings up the context menu. You can't right-click while the mouse is over Media Center or the main menu.
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Right-click on the desktop gives a menu with 2 items:
WICD
Main menu
Main menu does what it says, WICD gives a network manager.
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Right-click on the desktop gives a menu with 2 items:
WICD
Main menu
Main menu does what it says, WICD gives a network manager.
Run Check for Updates from the main menu again. With the Media Center 24 upgrade you actually need to run Check for Updates twice. The second time pulls down the browser upgrades. I'll update the instructions to mention that.
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Split Stability problems with B+ (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115769.0.html)
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I purchased Version 24 for my desktop and installed it. Everything went well and restored my old settings from a previous backup I made from a different version. Great.
Then I went to use my Pi ID and things went downhill fast. First it asked me to install my License # -- I did. Then when I rebooted I needed to attach my library which had gone back to a default setting.
After I loaded the library I started having all kinds of mouse navigation issues and screen freezing problems. I finally had to resort to restarting the Pi by pulling the plug -- not good.
When it rebooted, it looked Ok but the mouse navigation was terrible -- arrow would disappear and turn into a | instead of an arrow. My menu didn't have screen minimize or close functions appearing at the top of the menu and lastly it no longer saw my built in Hi Fi Berry DAC that is installed in the Pi.
I tried many things to get this back to normal but no luck. It looks to me like the memory card got corrupted by the looks of things. I would like to get this working again. If I had known that Ver 24 was going to have this effect on my Id, I wouldn't have made the leap. Everything was working fine with my previous version on my desktop. Help!
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I don't think installing version 24 on your desktop should be able to affect your IdPi unless you were connecting to the deskop as a library server client from the IdPi?
It does sound like it might be corrupted though. Just pulling the plug isn't the best way to shut it down.
I'd suggest booting the IdPi into gui mode with an attached monitor and keyboard.
If you are using a library on the IdPi you could back it up inside of MC to the /export/media folder for safe keeping (and copy it off of there onto your desktop via windows networking as well).
Then you can try running function 77 (not on the menu) to restore the stock data. You'll need to reinstall the license key then and restore a backup of the library.
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Thanks for your input but no luck using Funct 77. Still don't have mouse control so I really can't get anywhere now. What's next if the card I have is corrupt? Also, I see where you have version 24 for the Pi 3 which I have, does it pay to get the upgrade while replacing this card I currently have?
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Thanks for your input but no luck using Funct 77. Still don't have mouse control so I really can't get anywhere now. What's next if the card I have is corrupt? Also, I see where you have version 24 for the Pi 3 which I have, does it pay to get the upgrade while replacing this card I currently have?
If the mSD card is corrupt, you would need to send it back to JRiver to have it remade. Unfortunately, that's the only way we have to fix corrupt cards.
What is the full Id and MC version of the IdPi? It should say at the bottom of the main menu.
How are you connecting to the IdPi? Are you using a monitor connected to it with the IdPi in GUI mode or are you connecting to it remotely?
If your IdPi is the Media Center Id version, you should be able to upgrade Media Center to version 24 from the main menu (option 12). If it is not the Media Center Id version, then upgrading it would also require sending it back to JRiver.
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I am connecting to the PiID via monitor connected by HDMI and usb mouse and keyboard. The ID: 24.0.7 MC: 24.0.28
I will return the sd card to Deana with all of the licensing information written on the same folder you sent me. Let me know if there is anything else you need to know. Ed
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I can see the Radio JRiver streaming stations using remote desktop to my Id but can I get them to play?
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I can see the Radio JRiver streaming stations using remote desktop to my Id but can I get them to play?
If you are playing directly on the Id, some of the streaming stations aren't working yet.
I'm holding back on the Id MC updates until the internal browser issue stabilizes.
It's possible that the browser will be removed on the IdPi because of the Pi's limited memory.
Also, the next update (on the IdNUC's only) will require re-entering the registration code.
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I am connecting to the PiID via monitor connected by HDMI and usb mouse and keyboard. The ID: 24.0.7 MC: 24.0.28
I will return the sd card to Deana with all of the licensing information written on the same folder you sent me. Let me know if there is anything else you need to know. Ed
This might be a hardware issue related to your Raspberry Pi. We plugged the card into a Raspberry Pi 3 here and it seems to work fine, even after loading one of the library backups. Are there more steps to reproducing the problems?
We can rebuild the Pi card with the latest version but that might not fix the issue if there is a problem with the Raspberry Pi.
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Thanks. I'm Id NUC so will check back for the upgrade.
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I have an idpi model 3b with a 10/100gbps lan, but I would like to have the 3b+ version because the lan is 1000gbps on the 3b+. Are you selling an idpi 3b+ fully cooked ??
If yes how can I order it?
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The IdPi is a B+ now. Just send an e-mail to sales at jriver from your paypal address. Thanks.
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I am still struggling with the raspberry and ID running on it and have come to the conclusion as you suggested that it is probably a hardware problem. I am thinking of ordering the B+ board but am not sure if when you reloaded my SD Card you also update the software to be compatible with the B+ card. If you can find out I would much appreciate it. Would hate to order this card and then find out that the ID software won't run on it.
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I am still struggling with the raspberry and ID running on it and have come to the conclusion as you suggested that it is probably a hardware problem. I am thinking of ordering the B+ board but am not sure if when you reloaded my SD Card you also update the software to be compatible with the B+ card. If you can find out I would much appreciate it. Would hate to order this card and then find out that the ID software won't run on it.
I'm running an IdPi from a 3 B+ RPi board. What you need to make that happen is a "versionless" IdPi uSD card. I did the return back to JRiver before it was possible to do the OTA upgrade and eventually the revised card worked fine.
I did have some issues with early versions that weren't fully explained:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115769.0.html (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115769.0.html)
but in the end no issue because with a bit of bob-magic it was sorted out.
I doubt you'll have my problems unless you get a dud card and if that unlikely situation was to happen, you'd undoubtedly be able to process a return.
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I am still struggling with the raspberry and ID running on it and have come to the conclusion as you suggested that it is probably a hardware problem. I am thinking of ordering the B+ board but am not sure if when you reloaded my SD Card you also update the software to be compatible with the B+ card. If you can find out I would much appreciate it. Would hate to order this card and then find out that the ID software won't run on it.
Your card was upgraded to be compatible with the Pi 3 B+ when you returned it.
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What do I need to do to be able to run with the DigiOne on MC24? I got my Id SD card around 5/1/2018, just got around to installing on my RPi 3 B+. DigiOne doesn't show up in the audio device list, even after I checked for updates at the main menu.
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Welcome to Id World. What port is it plugged in to? Please describe the connection.
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You could read about audio devices here:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
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Here's what I'm running:
RaspPi 3B+
Allo DigiOne HAT (output SPDIF or BNC)
JRiver Id (MC 24) purchased around May 1, 2018
When I select option 10 on the main menu to show audio device info, I don't see anything that looks like "allo" or "digione" like I was expecting.
Perhaps I'm naive, but when running the Id version of linux, I don't know how to bring up a terminal window, so I can't update the dtoverlay in the config.txt file.
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Here's what I'm running:
RaspPi 3B+
Allo DigiOne HAT (output SPDIF or BNC)
JRiver Id (MC 24) purchased around May 1, 2018
When I select option 10 on the main menu to show audio device info, I don't see anything that looks like "allo" or "digione" like I was expecting.
Perhaps I'm naive, but when running the Id version of linux, I don't know how to bring up a terminal window, so I can't update the dtoverlay in the config.txt file.
Users are locked out of the IdPi (by design) for lining up an SSH / putty session.
Regarding different Pi HATs / Shields, check here for more info:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.0.html (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.0.html)
... and this post specifically:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.msg773593.html#msg773593 (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.msg773593.html#msg773593)
... I've not tried the overlay modification option discussed. That may well be a "you're on your own" kind of deal but it would be preferable if the JRiver devs could expand the software's capability to allow the user to do a pick and shoot. I'm aware of an alternate DLNA audio rendering software/OS package that offers just this sort of thing, so that tells me it's not an impossibility to implement.
I threw this out on a different thread to try and coax a bit of dev action:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115547.msg799314.html#msg799314 (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115547.msg799314.html#msg799314)
but haven't noticed anything substantial.
I recently got a pi2design 502DAC but the IdPi is coming up with a blank in line with your experience. Refer above for comments regarding the overlay / config.txt file.
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Users are locked out of the IdPi (by design) for lining up an SSH / putty session.
Regarding different Pi HATs / Shields, check here for more info:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.0.html (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.0.html)
... and this post specifically:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.msg773593.html#msg773593 (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.msg773593.html#msg773593)
... I've not tried the overlay modification option discussed. That may well be a "you're on your own" kind of deal but it would be preferable if the JRiver devs could expand the software's capability to allow the user to do a pick and shoot. I'm aware of an alternate DLNA audio rendering software/OS package that offers just this sort of thing, so that tells me it's not an impossibility to implement.
I threw this out on a different thread to try and coax a bit of dev action:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115547.msg799314.html#msg799314 (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,115547.msg799314.html#msg799314)
but haven't noticed anything substantial.
I recently got a pi2design 502DAC but the IdPi is coming up with a blank in line with your experience. Refer above for comments regarding the overlay / config.txt file.
I used the method suggested by @duncan4791 at:
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.msg773593.html#msg773593 (https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,111937.msg773593.html#msg773593)
For my pi2design 502DAC, I added the following to /boot/config.txt:
dtoverlay=hifiberry-dacplusand I'm now getting audio out of the S/PDIF RCA/Coaxial adaptor from the BNC output on the shield. So, I'm a happy camper now. Feed me a 'smore ... ;)
From my observation of the IdPi Id 24.0.7 overlay folder, I would agree with @duncan4791 that there is a fair showing of audio HATs/Shields that the IdPi could potentially pick up on. The barriers to confirming function in practice seem to be those with the hardware willing to modify the config.txt file to suit and/or JRiver providing a menu based method to select alternate overlays.
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I just upgraded my id version 20.0.100 to 24 following instructions here. Although things didn't go quite as described, I eventually had 24 running - verified version etc. However, when I attempted to install the license - I used my original id 20 license, it was rejected. Also, mc 24 no longer runs even in trial mode. Which license should I be using to activate 24 on Id?
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I just upgraded my id version 20.0.100 to 24 following instructions here. Although things didn't go quite as described, I eventually had 24 running - verified version etc. However, when I attempted to install the license - I used my original id 20 license, it was rejected. Also, mc 24 no longer runs even in trial mode. Which license should I be using to activate 24 on Id?
The Media Center 20 Id license will not work. You need to use a Media Center 22 Id license or a Media Center Id License. Item one in the following instructions explains how to obtain the license you need.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,110326.msg762788.html#msg762788
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Hi Jim et al
I have just attempted to upgrade my ID MC22 installation to MC24 but have problems. My original setup is defined as ID:22.0.81 MC:22.0.112 and EUGEN:1.0.69
1. I went through the firmware upgrade path as detailed in article 110326 using image idxrepair3.img (bootable USB created with rufus2_3) All seemed OK but the new setup is defined as ID:22.0.83 MC:23.0.102 EUGEN 1.0.69. Where did the MC 23 come from??? I used option 18 in the menu to reinstate the licence as instructed. I verified my key with Deanna a short time ago.
2. I use a network share to source my media \\McWMedia\McWMusic this connection has disappeared. I'm sure I can reinstate it but should I need to? I did restore the library details that I backed up . . may be this restore is only for locally hosted media ??
Can any one help complete my MC24 upgrade please . . I have tried several option 12 'Check for updates' but no further advancement is acheived.
Thanks
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Update - I have now reestablished access to my external media. Still not sure what went wrong but after reseting up the External Media connection in the menu, then configuring and running auto import, and also ensuring the correct input device was setup (my Benchmark USB DAC) all seamed to be OK.
So just left with the MC update to version 24. Is this something that has been compounded by the recent server compromises - would be good if someone could indicate if this is the case. I know Jim/Bob and every one at JRiver must be extremely stressed at present.
Regards
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When you use option 12 from the main menu, make sure the Id is in GUI mode or that you do it remotely.
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Hi BradATIMA
Yes I was running in GUI mode and have just selected option 1 again to double check.
After the reboot (for gui mode) I selected option 12 again but (after that reboot) I'm still left with an MC23 as indicated before.
How come I was running MC22 and I then get to 23 I thought there wasn't an MC23 for the Id !!!
Anyway, how do I get to MC24 for the position I'm in. Thanks
Regards
Trevor
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Hi BradATIMA
Yes I was running in GUI mode and have just selected option 1 again to double check.
After the reboot (for gui mode) I selected option 12 again but (after that reboot) I'm still left with an MC23 as indicated before.
How come I was running MC22 and I then get to 23 I thought there wasn't an MC23 for the Id !!!
Anyway, how do I get to MC24 for the position I'm in. Thanks
Regards
Trevor
Try updating again. We made a couple of changes.
There was a version of Media Center 23 for the Id, but the transition to 24 was almost immediately after.
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I have performed the update on my original IdNUC, first using the latest firmware repair, then using the mainmenu option 12, however, I am still not seeing MC 24. The version string is showing:
Id:24.0.6 MC:23.0.102 Engen:1.0.69
I have tried the option 12 update several times, and I can see that it is connecting to jessie several times. It claims there are 0 updates, however, a few seconds later it literally flashes a few messages that start with E: Unalbe to locate. See attached screen photos showing this moment.
After that it reboots and I am still seeing version 23. By the way, MC Help/About also reports version 23.
What am I doing incorrectly?
Many thanks, Rafal.
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PS. Is it needed/recommended to update the NUC BIOS? Mine is 0059 and I see 0066 is available, but a quick read through Intel release notes does not mention anything too relevant, mostly security-related issues (I assume that major Intel issue of a few months ago). Just wondering if it helps in any way, in particular the occasional getting stuck at reboot, when Id log writes "Will reboot" but it just hangs.
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The update issue is probably related to the recent server issue. We're working on fixing it.
You don't need to update the BIOS. What NUC model do you have: 2820 or NUC5?
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I have performed the update on my original IdNUC, first using the latest firmware repair, then using the mainmenu option 12, however, I am still not seeing MC 24. The version string is showing:
Id:24.0.6 MC:23.0.102 Engen:1.0.69
I have tried the option 12 update several times, and I can see that it is connecting to jessie several times. It claims there are 0 updates, however, a few seconds later it literally flashes a few messages that start with E: Unalbe to locate. See attached screen photos showing this moment.
After that it reboots and I am still seeing version 23. By the way, MC Help/About also reports version 23.
What am I doing incorrectly?
Many thanks, Rafal.
Try updating again. It should be fixed now.
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Try updating again. It should be fixed now.
Indeed, it worked! Thank you for your fixes, I now have MC 24.0.28 on Id 24.0.6.
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You don't need to update the BIOS. What NUC model do you have: 2820 or NUC5?
I have the oldest one that you ever sold, first generation, the 2820. Over time I have kept it updated, hence it is on BIOS 0059 now, last updated July 2017. Many thanks for your help and suggestions.
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I have the oldest one that you ever sold, first generation, the 2820. Over time I have kept it updated, hence it is on BIOS 0059 now, last updated July 2017. Many thanks for your help and suggestions.
With the 2820's, BIOS 0048 was actually better at resolving the failure to reboot issue. However, with the latest Id version, you might not run into it anymore.
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With the 2820's, BIOS 0048 was actually better at resolving the failure to reboot issue. However, with the latest Id version, you might not run into it anymore.
Thank you, Brad. I will report about the reboots in a while, once I have enough data.
On another note, has anything changed that would make my receiver/amp (Anthem) to be unable to maintain or reconnect to Id’s HDMI between amp’s power toggles? This has been a long-running issue for me, which I was able to generally avoid, for long periods (months) if running Id in GUI mode, assuming that I have booted it with the amp on and listening to the Id (MC and Id 22). With the recent update I have noticed that if the amp powers off, and some time passes (overnight), upon the next amp start it gets no audio from Id, even though Id thinks it is playing (as also shown in the Audio Path). Rebooting Id is needed.
I am currently experimenting with the other modes, just now trying “Text with HDMI”, which, interestingly, now produces the Linux desktop, rather than the older text mode. I should know soon if it is more reliable at avoiding the “No signal” issue.
Many thanks,
Rafal
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Thank you, Brad. I will report about the reboots in a while, once I have enough data.
On another note, has anything changed that would make my receiver/amp (Anthem) to be unable to maintain or reconnect to Id’s HDMI between amp’s power toggles? This has been a long-running issue for me, which I was able to generally avoid, for long periods (months) if running Id in GUI mode, assuming that I have booted it with the amp on and listening to the Id (MC and Id 22). With the recent update I have noticed that if the amp powers off, and some time passes (overnight), upon the next amp start it gets no audio from Id, even though Id thinks it is playing (as also shown in the Audio Path). Rebooting Id is needed.
I am currently experimenting with the other modes, just now trying “Text with HDMI”, which, interestingly, now produces the Linux desktop, rather than the older text mode. I should know soon if it is more reliable at avoiding the “No signal” issue.
Many thanks,
Rafal
Thanks for the report.
I've been looking into re-initializing the HDMI on the Id. There doesn't seem to be a standard way to do that. The only things I could find involve spoofing the EDID.
If you run into any interesting links let us know.
Text with HDMI shouldn't bring up the desktop, we'll check into that...
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Thanks for the report.
I've been looking into re-initializing the HDMI on the Id. There doesn't seem to be a standard way to do that. The only things I could find involve spoofing the EDID.
If you run into any interesting links let us know.
Text with HDMI shouldn't bring up the desktop, we'll check into that...
Reinitialising HDMI sounds like a great idea. I will let you know how things work with the different modes.
“Text with HDMI” produces the desktop with the “mainmenu” app on it, but there is no MC GUI visible.
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I just poke in an HDMI emulator / blind plug so that the Id thinks there's a monitor attached.
Means the display doesn't go whacko when I remote in. Works well enough until a better plan comes along.
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I just poke in an HDMI emulator / blind plug so that the Id thinks there's a monitor attached.
Means the display doesn't go whacko when I remote in. Works well enough until a better plan comes along.
Would you mind letting me know what device/model do you use? Thank you.
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Would you mind letting me know what device/model do you use? Thank you.
Just search the web for HDMI EDID Dummy Plug Headless Display Emulator and something useful should turn up that's not too expensive.
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Hi
Sorry about delay responding, I didn't get a notification about your last post and have only just logged in to see if there was more info.
Yes I have just tried a further update and have appeared to be able to update to version 24 OK.
I'm about to try the further update for the browser. I'll post again with status.
REgards
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Hi All,
Have successfully updated to MC 24.0.28. Can someone confirm this is the most current and includes all of the new browsing functionality.
My NAS based FLAC media is playing fine.
Regards
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It's the latest on the Id. That may change next week.
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Hi All,
Have successfully updated to MC 24.0.28. Can someone confirm this is the most current and includes all of the new browsing functionality.
My NAS based FLAC media is playing fine.
Regards
From what I've observed/read (as a user), a big part of the Id's implementation philosophy is focussed on stability. Also, I can't say that I've seen some kind of "beta" or "latest" release mechanism for the Id, so I feel confident in saying that the "latest" release also (effectively) equals the "stable" release.
So, if in doubt do an update when the inclination takes you or you remember and see how you go &/or check back here. Generally the Id build doesn't change much unless there's a change in version or there's something significant going on. There was more frequent updating going on during revision / development of Engen but that has tapered off of late.
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It's the latest on the Id. That may change next week.
I updated 2 weeks ago and it said 24.0.46. Also, with that update, the new indexing for Panel (<A ... Z>) at the top of library thumbnails doesn't work right (will not page to in between A and Z on an iPad). But I will find where to post this in the Panel forum.
Thanks.
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Hello.
Brand-new IdPi arrived today. I purchased this item for the sole reason of remote control capability of the device via PC in another area of the house. After installing (power, ethernet, usb out to DAC), MC25 from controller PC sees the Id in Playing Now and will allow selection. However, upon selecting a track, the word "waiting" appears below JRiver header for a few seconds before the player tries to jump to the next song. This will continue on endlessly unless stopped manually in most cases, but 1 in ~20 times, the track will appear to start to play for 5 seconds with no sound, then it stops. In about half of those instances, JRiver on the PC crashes.
I have tried selecting different DLNA servers on JRMC25 as well as re-installing the license code on the Id, both to no avail.
Thanks in advance.
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Before you try using the Id as a Renderer, please set up audio on the Id and make sure you can play from it.
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Before you try using the Id as a Renderer, please set up audio on the Id and make sure you can play from it.
Thank you for the reply, but I'm not sure I understand. I have no way to "play" from the Id other than as a renderer.
As for "setting up audio", does that simply mean selecting which audio output is used?
Thanks again.
Edit: Ahh, Just found the pre-loaded song on the IdPi... No, it does not play. I double-click it and it just stares back.
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As for "setting up audio", does that simply mean selecting which audio output is used?
Yes. It needs to be able to play audio. That requires choosing an output. Tools > Options > Audio.
Please see "Audio Devices" on this page:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
And the link to:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Audio_Devices
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Yes. It needs to be able to play audio. That requires choosing an output. Tools > Options > Audio.
Please see "Audio Devices" on this page:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Install_Guide
And the link to:
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id_Audio_Devices
Yes, Sir, it dawned on me that the "driver" needed to be selected in MC after my post, and that that was what you were talking about.
Got it all sorted now. Working like a charm. Thanks for the help. I really appreciate it as I'm not very tech savy.
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Upgraded to Media Center 25, and Id Pi quit working. It is still showing the Media Center 23 and I get a prompt that the trial is expired. I'm unable to restore. It looks like there is a need to return the SD card for update. How do you do that? Thanks
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If it shows MC23, then the update didn't complete. Try it again.
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I am still having odd issues with my Id Pi. I have the latest updates, using it with the HiFiBerry Digi+Pro and feeding it via coax into a Rotel AV receiver. At times the sound will freeze, repeating a few seconds of music over and over again. The only way to stop this is to unplug the power and wait a few seconds, then plug it back in.
Sometimes I can play music for hours and it works fine, other times this happens after using it a few minutes. I have noticed this playing hires content, as well as just streaming some 128k mp3 from the public radio database.
Has this issue been reported elsewhere? It was happening before I upgraded to the latest MC, as well as with my older Pi. I am now using the 3B+, but it still happens.
Thanks!
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I am still having odd issues with my Id Pi. I have the latest updates, using it with the HiFiBerry Digi+Pro and feeding it via coax into a Rotel AV receiver. At times the sound will freeze, repeating a few seconds of music over and over again. The only way to stop this is to unplug the power and wait a few seconds, then plug it back in.
Sometimes I can play music for hours and it works fine, other times this happens after using it a few minutes. I have noticed this playing hires content, as well as just streaming some 128k mp3 from the public radio database.
Has this issue been reported elsewhere? It was happening before I upgraded to the latest MC, as well as with my older Pi. I am now using the 3B+, but it still happens.
Thanks!
Are you connecting to your network wired or wireless?
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Wired connection
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Wired connection
I have a 3B with a HiFiBerry AMP2 which is similar in the DAC portion which works fine.
Did you change any of the Audio settings (other than the output device)?
For example, under Media Network settings there is a option for disabling the audio buffer to disk, that should be checked, we don't want to write to the sdcard continuously...
Beyond that, I'm suspicious of the power draw on your system, that's the usual source of flakiness.
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If it shows MC23, then the update didn't complete. Try it again.
I'm still figuring out how to properly use the forum. Thanks for your help, I didn't realize I needed to update on the raspberry pi.