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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 19 for Mac => Topic started by: digitalzed on March 21, 2014, 05:19:28 pm

Title: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: digitalzed on March 21, 2014, 05:19:28 pm: Actually, I'm experiencing this since 121 on 2 different computers. Clicking on the "Media Center 19" tab on top doesn't open any menu for quitting any longer. All other tool bar options work. Anyone else experiencing this?
Title: Re: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: MrC on March 21, 2014, 05:23:33 pm: Quote
19.0.121 (3/12/2014)
2. Changed: Got rid of "Quit" menu option which was redundant with "Exit" option on File menu. Cmd-Q still works for exiting program.
Title: Re: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: glynor on March 21, 2014, 08:13:08 pm: Quote from: digitalzed on March 21, 2014, 05:19:28 pm
Actually, I'm experiencing this since 121 on 2 different computers. Clicking on the "Media Center 19" tab on top doesn't open any menu for quitting any longer. All other tool bar options work. Anyone else experiencing this?

+1

Quote from: JohnT on March 12, 2014, 04:06:21 pm
2. Changed: Got rid of "Quit" menu option which was redundant with "Exit" option on File menu. Cmd-Q still works for exiting program.

This is a mistake. OSX is opinionated about software, guys. (https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/userexperience/conceptual/applehiguidelines/Menus/Menus.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000356-CIHDGFJB) Sorry, you need to put it back. Also, it should have:

Hide Media Center ⌘H
Hide Others ⌥⌘H
Show All

And the Services menu should be present, even if you don't think it might be useful (Hint: it could be, I can write things for MCWS for that services menu if I want). If you're intentionally hiding those you should re-enable them as well (I'm not sure how it works with how you've built the application, though).

In a perfect world, Options (called Preferences) and About Media Center should be there as well. That is the standard compliment of menu commands that belong under the Application Name menu in OSX. Nothing else needs to be in there (and if additions are included, they should be "whole app" related), but those should all be present. They are on all other applications, even cross platform ones (oh, and they use the right fonts on the other menu items too, but lets not get crazy):

(http://glynor.com/img/screenshots/other/Firefox-OSX-AppMenu.png)

But, at the very least, don't take the Quit menu away! As is, it is broken. You click on it, and the entire menu does nothing, which is broken. Plus, I go instinctively to that menu (because on all other OSX apps, closing the window via the red X does NOT close the application down, as it does for MC), so you're fighting the muscle memory of all OSX users.

At least put it back the way it was. If you're going to remove the redundant menu item, remove it from the File menu, where it doesn't belong.

PS. I'm not all about slavishly following the HIG, but those basic things should be done. And I really think the items layed out in the App Menu "box" on the HIG (linked above) are non-optional.
Title: Re: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: digitalzed on March 22, 2014, 05:23:40 pm: Quote from: MrC on March 21, 2014, 05:23:33 pm

Thanks for this. I should read the release notes more carefully. Never dawned on me to check on this issue there!
Title: Re: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: 6233638 on March 22, 2014, 05:30:55 pm: Quote from: glynor on March 21, 2014, 08:13:08 pm
This is a mistake.
+1

The goal should be to make Media Center as "native" as possible on whichever platform it's running on
Title: Re: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: Morgan on March 23, 2014, 06:20:31 am: Quote from: glynor on March 21, 2014, 08:13:08 pm
[snip] ... you're fighting the muscle memory of all OSX users.

This says it all.

glynor .. terrific post!
Title: Re: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: mwheelerk on March 25, 2014, 10:17:21 pm: Please return the Quit function.
Title: Re: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: JimH on March 25, 2014, 10:29:07 pm: It's coming.
Title: Re: 122 Won't Quit from Toolbar
Post by: glynor on March 25, 2014, 10:50:33 pm: Quote from: JimH on March 25, 2014, 10:29:07 pm
It's coming.

Thanks, Jim.