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More => Old Versions => JRiver Media Center 20 for Linux => Topic started by: Patatorz on February 01, 2014, 02:08:13 am
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Hello,
sorry if the post is not in the right section but I supposed it was OK.
I use JRiver MC on my PC with Music located on a Synology NAS. I manage the music through JRemote on a iPad. I do that most of the time because of the capacities of JRiver in terms of music management.
I wonder if it would be possible in the future to install JRiver on a Synology NAS as a package in order to avoid using a PC ? Would a NAS like Synology powerfull enough (perhaps it depends on the references) to manage such package ? Do you see any limitations ?
I think it really depends on the Synology MCU platforms (http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_kind_of_CPU_does_my_NAS_have)
In my case DS1512+, it should be OK as the MCU is not a ARM one and running X86.
Do you think it is something that developpers have in mind ?
BR
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I thought about the same, but understood from other threads it will not be so easy to realize. Also it would be a Linux version, which lags behind the functionality of the Win-version. So I think I will go the HTPC/Mini-PC route with LAN access to my NAS to have full functionality available...
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Hi Alex,
I was thinking in the easiest and lighest way to do it...I think also in Raspberry but is seems not so easy. With a NAS it would be all in one :-)
Using a PC even light mean a windows licence, HDD, added energy consuming....I would just look for a PC as a server with the minimum inside but not able to find it (small, low consumption,...)
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We have an embedded version that has no GUI, but it's still rough, and we haven't released it. It works as a server and renderer now and runs on some pretty feeble equipment.
Installation on devices like Synology may be possible in the future, but it's too soon to say when.
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Thanks for the reply. The solution without GUI could be very interesting (like for minimserver competitor). Unfortunatly, I don't have any skills to push it on a Synology...
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Great news.
Jim, will the embedded version allow to stream flac and mp4? Or music only?
I have a Synology ds214 play with Atom (1.6 GHz I guess). Should that be sufficient?
I often read that people plan an i5 or even i7 for htpc's & jriver, so I am wondering, if an Atom would be ok enough...
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You'll have to wait for more on this. We're not close to releasing anything and it may never be released as a consumer product.
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Great news.
Jim, will the embedded version allow to stream flac and mp4? Or music only?
I have a Synology ds214 play with Atom (1.6 GHz I guess). Should that be sufficient?
I often read that people plan an i5 or even i7 for htpc's & jriver, so I am wondering, if an Atom would be ok enough...
I agree. Great news!
Yesterday I tried the full MC19 on a tiny Atom 1.6GHz laptop with Win Xp. Playing stereo tracks cpu was around 50-60% with convolution enabled, but I got some 'clicks'. Without convolution, playback was clean and stable all the way up to 24/192 (using a Stello U3 USB device). I'd think the same Cpu with a Linux OS would be even more efficient. For video and/or multichannel sound I have doubts..
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Just to get an idea of minimum specs, I also run a full version of MC on an Atom D2700 (2.13GHz, Dual Core, 1M Cache) client. It has 4GB of RAM and a 32GB SSD running Win7 32-bit.
I watch video w/ ROSQ without issue using the integrated graphics. Music is fine over-sampled to 24/192 w/ ~50% CPU usage while displaying Milkdrop. The only issue is that I can not down-sample SACD ISO (severe stuttering; completely unplayable). If I want to listen to them, I have to push them from the server with conversion. Navigating can be a bit sluggish sometimes as well, particularly with the remote. Navigating with Gizmo works much better, especially when playing all-day DJ and changing tracks on the fly. If I get too aggressive with flipping around tracks though (say switching tracks after listening for just a few seconds a couple times in a row), I will get ~10-seconds of stutter until it catches up. Albums/Playlists, and even changing after a complete track, is not an issue.
I'll have to post my JMark score in that thread later, but if I remember correctly, it is ~950.
PS: For people looking at DLNA DMRs, Rasberry Pi, etc for extra locations around the house, I built this client with all new hardware for < $200US shipped to my door.
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Just dropping in here...
Jim, will the embedded version allow to stream flac and mp4? Or music only?
I have a Synology ds214 play with Atom (1.6 GHz I guess). Should that be sufficient?
I often read that people plan an i5 or even i7 for htpc's & jriver, so I am wondering, if an Atom would be ok enough...
I think so much is up in the air at the moment, but it depends how much functionality would be built into an eventual server/embedded version. Like, is it going to be a just a database/library server where clients will connect to it in order to get data, but the actual playing and audio processing will be done by the clients? In which case, this is what a NAS should excel at and I think this is probably what people are asking for.
If there's a renderer built-in then that implies audio processing. This may stress a NAS, but I guess it depends on individual NAS processors and what sort of processing you want to do and how many streams you want to process at the same time. On my Core i7 dual-core mobile processor running Windows 7 and MC, playing 4 different audio tracks with processing at the same time pushes CPU to about 5%. However, all Synology NAS's can certainly be used as players, at least if you plug an external USB DAC in.
Streaming video should be fine, but playing video is another matter.
Obviously, the more functionality of the client that is built into a server version the more demands it will place on server hardware. In my opinion, servers should be servers, not desktop workstations!
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We have an embedded version that has no GUI, but it's still rough, and we haven't released it. It works as a server and renderer now and runs on some pretty feeble equipment.
Installation on devices like Synology may be possible in the future, but it's too soon to say when.
+1 with your "NAS server" linux project (Synology DS1513+ in my case).
I bought JRiver both for PC and iPad, but... I'd really like not to always have my PC switched on to play music. Or to have another media center in addition to the Synology station...
Please keep us posted: the Synology DSM OS is Debian based... so it should be relatively easy to port yr current Debian version to Synology...
And it's ok focusing initially only on top quality audio: no particular need for video (I directly access them with my Oppo105 and Synology software).
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+3 for this. Synology NAS used. Model 1812. Happy to have it perform as the server, and still pay for JRiver license on my Mac. If I could displace Minimserver on my NAS, and use JRiver that would be wonderful, and even better use JREMOTE as the controller with it. I have a Auralic Aries as my renderer, so JRiver on the Synology NAS would server up files to Aries, and I could control it with JREMOTE. The best of all possible worlds, and still use the JRiver Mac instance to manage and organize my metadata and albums.
Barr
p.s. and I (selfishly perhaps) only require it for music.
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I have upgraded to MC20....it's a no brainer IMO. However, is it possible that JRiver could be used with a non-JRiver Renderer (AURALiC ARIES) without the use of a computer? I just love JRiver and JRemote and would like to use it instead of their app. I think the market would be massive for this need. I currently use Minimserver to go along with their DS Lightning App but would love to replace all of that and just use JRiver/JRemote or even keep Minimserver and use JRiver/JRemote.
I'd happily pay $100 for this.
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We have an embedded version that has no GUI, but it's still rough, and we haven't released it. It works as a server and renderer now and runs on some pretty feeble equipment.
Installation on devices like Synology may be possible in the future, but it's too soon to say when.
Let me know if you need any alpha tester's ;D
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Let me know if you need any alpha tester's ;D
+1
I'm pretty certain if this was posted on CA it would go crazy. There is such a need for this. Come on Jim, your family has been Pioneer's for years...DO NOT STOP! ;D ;D ;D
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I would happily bid $125 for this. Would suspect it wouldn't need a lot of ongoing maintenance either ( referring to a non rendering version ).
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Further, Minimserver has said that they will not support ISO files. You have it all figured out too so there is that.
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If your use is audio, this is a lot like what the Id does:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89084.0
Among other things, it is a DLNA Server.
Right now, the storage is a 128GB SSD, but SSD's are available up to 1TB at a reasonable cost.
If the Synology runs SAMBA, the Id might be able to import the audio from it.
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I'm pretty certain if this was posted on CA it would go crazy. There is such a need for this.
I saw that you posted at Computeraudiophile (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/jriver-network-attached-storage-lets-make-it-happen-21299/).
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If your use is audio, this is a lot like what the Id does:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=89084.0
Among other things, it is a DLNA Server.
Right now, the storage is a 128GB SSD, but SSD's are available up to 1TB at a reasonable cost.
If the Synology runs SAMBA, the Id might be able to import the audio from it.
Yes, but some of us have something different.
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I saw that you posted at Computeraudiophile (http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f11-software/jriver-network-attached-storage-lets-make-it-happen-21299/).
Yes, I did. ;) My hope is that if enough people get behind it, you will do it! ;D I'd be willing to whatever it takes to make it happen.
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Definitely a want for this function here.
I am really trying to cut electricity costs as the price
is really expensive here in Australia.
Would pay decent coin for this functionality.
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Definitely a want for this function here.
I am really trying to cut electricity costs as the price
is really expensive here in Australia.
Would pay decent coin for this functionality.
Looks like your 1st post. Welcome to the fun.
In the meantime, you could grab yourself a solar panel or 2 and go DIY:
(http://www.northamericansolarstores.com/SolarPV/solarpv.deptofenergy.jpg)
if power costs are an issue.. ;)
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Definitely a want for this function here.
I am really trying to cut electricity costs as the price
is really expensive here in Australia.
Would pay decent coin for this functionality.
Our low power solution is the JRiver Id:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id
It uses 7 watts.
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I would be happy to be an alpha tester on my Synology DS1512+. I would love to move the server library over to my NAS.
Carl.
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I had a different approach...i took a qnap 870pro and installed a windows os on it to run the jriver server thus reducing the footprint. But would also use a server package on my "genuine" synology.
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Any updates ?
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Any update would be more than welcome as I have been quietly waiting for such a solution (JRiver in a NAS) for years now.
Thanks in advance
Opawesome
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I had bought JRiver licensing for versions 16-19 but now that I have a Synology NAS and dedicated renderer have had to give up on JRiver in favor of using Minimserver. I'd pay for JRiver as a UPNP controller/server application on NAS but have abandoned PC as a good server/renderer option. The only other choice I see if JRiver doesn't do this is go to Mac Mini as NAS and buy the Mac version of JRiver.
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I had bought JRiver licensing for versions 16-19 but now that I have a Synology NAS and dedicated renderer have had to give up on JRiver in favor of using Minimserver. I'd pay for JRiver as a UPNP controller/server application on NAS but have abandoned PC as a good server/renderer option. The only other choice I see if JRiver doesn't do this is go to Mac Mini as NAS and buy the Mac version of JRiver.
Why can't you use the JRiver Id (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id)? It runs JRiver on Linux and works well as a server for a NAS.
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Why can't you use the JRiver Id (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id)? It runs JRiver on Linux and works well as a server for a NAS.
How would that set up look? With It and a setup in which music is streamed to airport express'es.
I don't understand Id.
One Id for each pair of speakers? That's awfully expensive.
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Here's the description of the Id (http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/Id).
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I have both Qnap TS-419P+ (Marvell 1.6GHz) and a Synology DS1513+ (Intel Atom D2700 x86_64 ) and really would love to see a package for JRiver for either one...heck, I might be willing to pay for such!
I would think with all the Linux development, a NAS-flavor has to be close at hand. Or maybe virtualized?
My main use would be to serve Gizmo clients. Might be nice to hook up a USB audio output device to the NAS sometime in the future (although some units come with HDMI output now).
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Someone told me there is a jriver package for QNAP now....is synology on the cards too soon?
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Not soon.
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Any news on this?
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No. Sorry.
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I am interested in the Id. I just purchased a Denon DA-300USB (https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hifi/dac/da300usb) to act as a DAC. I want to be able to play music on a NAS-like device that stays on 24-7. I have questions and need confirmation:
If the home PC is off, music needs to reside on Id, therefore it is the server. Yes?
The DAC is now the rendered, yes?
The JRiver remote will connect to the DAC or the Id?
How does the music get from the PC to the Id?
Thanks in advance.
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Welcome to the forum.
Your DAC is just the DAC. The Id is both the Renderer and the Server in this case. Gizmo or JRemote or other remotes are the Controllers.
The wiki has a topic on DLNA that defines what these mean.
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No. Sorry.
Hi,
is it considered to release a Synology package in the near (<6 months) future?
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I can't say how likely it is.
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Ok Thanks JimH. One more: MC is now running on my PC. I presume MC will be on the Id as well. Will JRemote know which MC to control? When PC is off JRemote should only see Id MC. What about when PC and Id are on network?
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If you have MC running on several servers, the Access Key will be different for each. In JRemote or Gizmo, you can just add the Access Key and you will see a new server. It works very well.
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I would like to put a 1-up here to say that this would be incredibly useful to me as well. Here's to hoping that you decide to implement it =)
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It would be great to have my Amazon Echo play music from my Synology NAS -->Please implement
All other music options that Alexis works with come with a commercial monthly subscription
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Bump.
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Yes please to this.
I have a Synology 410.
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Wondering if this progressed any further.
Makes for an elegant solution having JR installed on a NAS. Have a Synology DS418Play and would prefer to use my JR rather than the likes of PLEX.
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After what happened with QNAP, I honestly would be very surprised if JRiver developed and released a version of MC for Synology. Personally, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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After what happened with QNAP, I honestly would be very surprised if JRiver developed and released a version of MC for Synology.
I am unaware of that development, and a quick search doesn't turn anything up for me - what happened?
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Long story short QNAP pulled the rug out from under JRiver and thus MC for QNAP was removed off of HD Station. It was pretty much wasted development time and money for nothing in the end, thus why I'd reckon that JRiver likely has no interest in porting MC to Synology NASes when the exact same thing can (and honestly likely would) happen again.
If Synology NASes support Docker, you may be able to get MC for Linux working that way. Honestly I believe trying to run MC on NASes is a waste of time, when one can just buy a cheap Raspberry Pi (or an Id Pi with MC pre-installed), connect your NAS to it and then run MC for Linux on it to manage your NAS' files. It won't be able to handle videos, but for audio-only it should do just fine.
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JRiver built a QNAP version, then QNAP dropped it for internal reasons.
Awesome Donkey is correct. We won't do any more special packages for devices that don't run mainstream OS's.
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Fair enough. Thank you for the backstory.
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Assuming JRiver aspires to make continuous significant inroads into the media player market worldwide, and given that the rise of the NAS is at this point unstoppable, one would like to think that they (JRiver) are now giving some serious thought to the possibility of building a Media Center package for Synology, one of the leading NAS manufacturers. As a consumer (I currently use the 4-bay DS918+), it seems a no-brainer in the uber-competitive world of media players/servers. I had to question the wisdom of one of the other contributors questioning whether or not such a product would ever be released to the consumer market, especially as the NAS, albeit in its relative infancy, is clearly here to stay, with several significant advantages. That old adage of giving the customer what they want exists for a reason. To allude to doubting you'd ever make such a package available, without at the very least conducting extensive market research, appears highly premature and somewhat ill-conceived.
Furthermore, let me echo the overwhelming sentiments of this forum by saying that as a Synology user (this is my second Synology NAS incidentally), the availability of a flexible and accommodating music server package on Synology NAS that is compatible with iTunes and allows for a seamless transfer of iTunes playlists (yes, we are all held hostage to iTunes and those painstakingly curated playlists) would be a game changer. If that isn't already apparent, then please take heed. As an audiophile, I am constantly searching for the ideal music setup, and right now that consists of running JRiver Media Center 24 on my iMac in order to stream hi-res music on my Cambridge Audio AZUR 851N Network Audio Player. Ideally, I would like to do this from my Synology DS918+ NAS (as would countless contributors to this excellent forum). Could you please update the community as to your short to medium term plans in this regard. I'm sure we would all appreciate this very much.
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Assuming JRiver aspires to make continuous significant inroads into the media player market worldwide, and given that the rise of the NAS is at this point unstoppable, one would like to think that they (JRiver) are now giving some serious thought to the possibility of building a Media Center package for Synology, one of the leading NAS manufacturers.
Given what happened with QNAP, I'd say hell has a better chance at freezing over. :P
Of course, if the Synology NAS supports Docker, you might be able to get it working that way with the unofficial MC24 Docker image (https://hub.docker.com/r/jatzoo/jrivermc24/). Otherwise, I wouldn't hold my breath on this. Jim has said multiple times they don't intend to make anymore packages for devices like NASes. The same thing that happened with QNAP could (and honestly likely would) happen again. And then it's just ultimately a waste of time, money and resources on JRiver's behalf again. Once bitten, twice shy!
Though, if you're using audio only, you could add a Raspberry Pi running Raspbian + MC (or an Id Pi, which includes MC pre-installed and everything) with the NAS. It actually works pretty good that way.
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Assuming JRiver aspires to make continuous significant inroads into the media player market worldwide, and given that the rise of the NAS is at this point unstoppable, one would like to think that they (JRiver) are now giving some serious thought to the possibility of building a Media Center package for Synology, one of the leading NAS manufacturers. As a consumer (I currently use the 4-bay DS918+), it seems a no-brainer in the uber-competitive world of media players/servers. I had to question the wisdom of one of the other contributors questioning whether or not such a product would ever be released to the consumer market, especially as the NAS, albeit in its relative infancy, is clearly here to stay, with several significant advantages. That old adage of giving the customer what they want exists for a reason. To allude to doubting you'd ever make such a package available, without at the very least conducting extensive market research, appears highly premature and somewhat ill-conceived.
Furthermore, let me echo the overwhelming sentiments of this forum by saying that as a Synology user (this is my second Synology NAS incidentally), the availability of a flexible and accommodating music server package on Synology NAS that is compatible with iTunes and allows for a seamless transfer of iTunes playlists (yes, we are all held hostage to iTunes and those painstakingly curated playlists) would be a game changer. If that isn't already apparent, then please take heed. As an audiophile, I am constantly searching for the ideal music setup, and right now that consists of running JRiver Media Center 24 on my iMac in order to stream hi-res music on my Cambridge Audio AZUR 851N Network Audio Player. Ideally, I would like to do this from my Synology DS918+ NAS (as would countless contributors to this excellent forum). Could you please update the community as to your short to medium term plans in this regard. I'm sure we would all appreciate this very much.
A NAS is just another computer, and they tend to paint themselves into corners. There are lots of low power solutions available that are based on standards.
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3rd Synology NAS since 2011. I'm interested in an MC package.
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Look above, I personally don't think it'll happen. At least for audio only it's easier to get a Raspberry Pi or a Id from JRiver and use that with a NAS.
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Too bad, I am eliminating my old media server in favor of a NAS and looking to consolidate hardware. I have considered a "stick PC" to the HDMI on my receiver to run JRiver and handle Audio and video through HDMI to my 4K capable receiver.
Since there is not official support and I will be consolidating two boxes into a NAS. May need to explore options :( Sad day, love my JRiver.
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Docker is an option, but it's not officially supported by JRiver.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,126822.0.html